As far as loss-cutting on an NHL level, you should no doubt see it by the start of the season.

With the array of forward prospects they have, sell high (for once) on Casey...?
- kingcong39

I think the question now turns to what contract you could theoretically re-sign him to. If there's a team friendly deal to be had, I doubt there would be better value available through trade.

With the array of forward prospects they have, sell high (for once) on Casey...?
- kingcong39

gotta think about timelines, waivers, all that too. Benson, Savoie, Kulich, Rosen, Ostlund, they can roast these guys in the AHL for like the next 2 years (when their careers start/started there) no problem.

They don't have to do jack poop.

yeah good gms conceptually would. how many instances can you count where a gm got out of a hyped prospect, got gold for him and he turned into a nothing burger?

say what you want about Joker but Botts took Murray's poop-down-his-leg and turned it into an nhl defenseman.

good, or "good" prospects just aren't traded anymore. you don't really get the kind of fleecing like you did with Cernak for Fasching like you used to.

These prospects that get swapped out.. Donovan Sebrango for Debrincat, Nathan Légaré for Karlsson, Gustav Lindström for Petry, Maxim Cajkovic for cap space, Rasmus Kupari for PLD..

they're junk and everybody knows it. It's cutting losses, it's not dealing high, ever.
- TheSabresTaco

Why are you talking about hyped prospects or getting gold for them? That hasn't been the point here.

Why are you talking about hyped prospects or getting gold for them? That hasn't been the point here.
- Lunaion

then I feel like I've misunderstood the argument.

Are we talking about the Bryson's/UPL's?

gotta think about timelines, waivers, all that too. Benson, Savoie, Kulich, Rosen, Ostlund, they can roast these guys in the AHL for like the next 2 years (when their careers start/started there) no problem.

They don't have to do jack poop.
- TheSabresTaco

if many of the make the leap like expected they'll have to make some decisions

Well now he doesn't is my point.

I'm trying to remove the bias from this argument instead of just leaning into some daily bemoaning of Kevyn's methods of handling his prospects.
- TheSabresTaco

gotta think about timelines, waivers, all that too. Benson, Savoie, Kulich, Rosen, Ostlund, they can roast these guys in the AHL for like the next 2 years (when their careers start/started there) no problem.

They don't have to do jack poop.
- TheSabresTaco

Their mantra so far is not doing jack poop.

Are you also factoring in Casey's contract situation?

That might put a slight dent in your jack poop plan.

if many of the make the leap like expected they'll have to make some decisions
- Michael Ghofrani

Nope, just keep them buried in the minors, because they don't have to do jack poop apparently.

I think the question now turns to what contract you could theoretically re-sign him to. If there's a team friendly deal to be had, I doubt there would be better value available through trade.
- Michael Ghofrani

look at what you have in the org and you compare casey's ability to theirs, but if you walk him to ufa like reinhart and timo, you're not getting much substance back.

timo got a late 1st and a pile of garbage, sabres got a late 1st and an unknown low ranked goalie prospect. rangers got a dog fart for buchnevich.

eggs w/o olives

I wish I had drugs like yours.
- washedup20

Rationality and even so much of an ounce of critical thinking ability ?

Ivan Barbashev and Johnathen Marchessault (although a very good hockey player) are not better hockey players than Mark Stone.

Chandler Stephenson is not a better player than Jack Eichel.

Was a factual rebuttal you threw aside.

Another couple of examples:

Michael Bunting is not a better hockey player than William Nylander or John Tavares, yet he played with Matthews and Marner.

Pasternak spent time with and without Bergeron and Marchand this past season.

Shall I continue ? I bet if you give me 5 minutes I can find another dozen examples

look at what you have in the org and you compare casey's ability to theirs, but if you walk him to ufa like reinhart and timo, you're not getting much substance back.

timo got a late 1st and a pile of garbage, sabres got a late 1st and an unknown low ranked goalie prospect. rangers got a dog fart for buchnevich.
- TheSabresTaco

I think if you're dealing him its less as reinhart/buchnevich and more like Huberdeau lite.

You're not trading anyone off the current roster for picks unless its like olofsson or bryson

yeah, well, (frank) you too buddy!
- TheSabresTaco

I fixed it!

if many of the make the leap like expected they'll have to make some decisions
- Michael Ghofrani

there's no doubt.

thompson, cozens, quinn and peterka are here for the long haul. maybe krebs. tuch probably re-ups.

skinner maybe gets sent away in a few years. mitts, who knows. I'd swap him for brandon carlo right now.

Rationality and even so much of an ounce of critical thinking ability ?

Ivan Barbashev and Johnathen Marchessault (although a very good hockey player) are not better hockey players than Mark Stone.

Chandler Stephenson is not a better player than Jack Eichel.

Was a factual rebuttal you through aside.

Another couple of examples:

Michael Bunting is not a better hockey player than William Nylander or John Tavares, yet he played with Matthews and Marner.

Pasternak spent time with and without Bergeron and Marchand this past season.

Shall I continue ? I bet if you give me 5 minutes I can find another dozen examples
- Swedish_Jesus

Teams that can do that because the are balanced and make the playoffs?

Super cool comps bro

- washedup20

then I feel like I've misunderstood the argument.

Are we talking about the Bryson's/UPL's?
- TheSabresTaco

+Joker, VO on the current roster.

Ullmark, Montour, Sam, McCabe recently.

Guys they aren't comfortable with long term and keep around too long.

there's no doubt.

thompson, cozens, quinn and peterka are here for the long haul. maybe krebs. tuch probably re-ups.

skinner maybe gets sent away in a few years. mitts, who knows. I'd swap him for brandon carlo right now.
- TheSabresTaco

total aside -- its funny how carlo's rep is this juggernaut shut down guy when in reality he played fewer 5v5 minutes than clifton.

Like if anyone is destined to be a sell high Colin Miller 2.0 its Carlo.

Their mantra so far is not doing jack poop.

Are you also factoring in Casey's contract situation?

That might put a slight dent in your jack poop plan.
- kingcong39

i definitely am. whatever happens with him in the next 12-13 months from today is going to tell you everything you need to know about how he slots into the org.

total aside -- its funny how carlo's rep is this juggernaut shut down guy when in reality he played fewer 5v5 minutes than clifton.

Like if anyone is destined to be a sell high Colin Miller 2.0 its Carlo.
- Michael Ghofrani

well that's (frank)in' bold.

Carlo faced the 6th highest comp on the Bruins last season by RAPM and GAR and walked away with an xEVD of 7.7 making him..... 10th overall

I think if you're dealing him its less as reinhart/buchnevich and more like Huberdeau lite.

You're not trading anyone off the current roster for picks unless its like olofsson or bryson
- Michael Ghofrani

The trade you referenced above sounds a bit like a 'hockey trade', and that is what I was alluding to the other night when I was talking about another option being available to Adams to improve the team.

there's no doubt.

thompson, cozens, quinn and peterka are here for the long haul. maybe krebs. tuch probably re-ups.

skinner maybe gets sent away in a few years. mitts, who knows. I'd swap him for brandon carlo right now.
- TheSabresTaco

Tuch re-signs at 30 for how much, and how long?

Not an easy decision there.

well that's (frank)in' bold.
- TheSabresTaco

Not really. I mean we (mostly correctly) grill the decision to bet big on Clifton because hey, he's never really handled those tough minutes. But Carlo didn't either. He was exceptionally good defensively, he was also 6th in 5v5 toi per game among Bruins d-men.

Granted, clifton, grzelcyk and carlo weren't separated by all that much in terms of TOI, but I just find it funny that he's the one who can totally handle it.

Their mantra so far is not doing jack poop.

Are you also factoring in Casey's contract situation?

That might put a slight dent in your jack poop plan.
- kingcong39

Casey is a huge decision. Have faith in your prospects and move him or go 4+ years. Don't limp into this again and go straight to UFA or just buy 1 UFA year.