Fawk yea I'll cheerlead for certain players - absolutely, nothing to hide. I'll also call out players that I don't like - it's not strictly one or other.
Petey is the best player this franchise has had in a decade - trying to replace him would be next to impossible, it would set us back even further than we already are. He's just about to hit his prime. If he signs 8 years - he'd be 26-34 yrs. On average there's 1-4 players of his level of talent per draft.
I don't mind Millers attitude one bit - its exactly the kinda teammates Id want to go into the fight with. I've seen/heard similar stories about McKinnon, Eichel, Kucherov, Malkin - they want to win, if that boils over to some frustration on the ice, bench or locker room - completely normal at that competitive level. - Brooks_Light
I think Petey is great as well. My thinking around him wanting to leave has nothing to do with liking him or not ... or whether I think we should pay him. His market value is going to very high, especially now that Matthews signed. He showed me a lot last year. Went back to being that guy he was in his rookie year being a fiend on the puck, especially if someone took it from him. He's obviously grown offensively and gotten a lot stronger as well. Whether we will ever have enough around him to have a cup run or even a good streak of playoff appearances during his prime, I doubt this more every year.
JTM - I've just seen too much garbage from him and have to agree with another poster around passion being too easy an excuse for him. It's not just the antics that get the attention like the Spencer Martin thing and yelling at teammates. Blow ups are fine now and then and I'm fine with that in the other player examples. But to me passion can also come out in putting your head down and skating back hard after a brutal giveaway pass. Also, refraining from throwing your head back and sulking when he doesn't get the puck on the PP. He's not the kind of guy I want to go into the fight with because he's more about JTM getting his vs. the team.
Are all fans created equal & to be accepted? I say no. I don’t stand by the fan that has whined on & on for years or decades. Pouters. I don’t stand by so called fans who were in the riot. Losers. Idc about any fans citing history as if it matters today. Irrelevant.
I respect all fans who bleed Canucks & suffer through it all just as I expect players to do the same. A constant poisonous environment anywhere in life is unhealthy & wrong. Every new season is just that a fresh start to be better & that is where I stand. I choose to like players & not like players but it all leads to getting better & sticking it out. I have high expectations on players to be their best & challenge adversity & be the difference or get outta the way. Furthermore I place it on mgmt to put the Canucks in a place to succeed & do anything it takes.
I enjoy fans takes on what they like & dislike not just one of them. I enjoy constructive criticism. I respect any fan who sticks it out in both the good & bad times. I appreciate every effort by mgmt & players to be their best.
The cup is a long journey that is known as the hardest to achieve. I don’t place it all on cup or bust. I’ve enjoyed many seasons & far more disappointing seasons. Overall it’s hockey & my passion to watch it never wavers. My team.
Are all fans created equal & to be accepted? I say no. I don’t stand by the fan that has whined on & on for years or decades. Pouters. I don’t stand by so called fans who were in the riot. Losers. Idc about any fans citing history as if it matters today. Irrelevant.
I respect all fans who bleed Canucks & suffer through it all just as I expect players to do the same. A constant poisonous environment anywhere in life is unhealthy & wrong. Every new season is just that a fresh start to be better & that is where I stand. I choose to like players & not like players but it all leads to getting better & sticking it out. I have high expectations on players to be their best & challenge adversity & be the difference or get outta the way. Furthermore I place it on mgmt to put the Canucks in a place to succeed & do anything it takes.
I enjoy fans takes on what they like & dislike not just one of them. I enjoy constructive criticism. I respect any fan who sticks it out in both the good & bad times. I appreciate every effort by mgmt & players to be their best.
The cup is a long journey that is known as the hardest to achieve. I don’t place it all on cup or bust. I’ve enjoyed many seasons & far more disappointing seasons. Overall it’s hockey & my passion to watch it never wavers. My team. - Nighthawk
It is okay to question things. Not every fan has the same feeling and can be divided. I really didn't like the Sedin era. Great players even though not my style. I thought everything and I mean everything was linked to them. Too much attention was spent on them and the rest of the team was very unbalanced.
Spending this much money on Petey is sort of repeating itself once again. I really like Petey and if he signed for 10 mil then sign away.
Makita brought up yesterday about him wanting a competitive team but wants the lions share of the money.
I will tell you my opinion of top teams depends on the B C and D list of players on the roster not only the top players.
If your budget only allows for the Dries , Studnicka Pizza man and you bottom part of the team you are going nowhere.
Ruebey has gone full dump on Canucks this year but we still know this is his team. Let him blow off steam. There should not be a line in the sand that says you are not a fan just because you don't agree with everything.
I can tell you that everyone here cares for this team because we have been coming here for years almost daily to talk Canucks.
I think Petey is great as well. My thinking around him wanting to leave has nothing to do with liking him or not ... or whether I think we should pay him. His market value is going to very high, especially now that Matthews signed. He showed me a lot last year. Went back to being that guy he was in his rookie year being a fiend on the puck, especially if someone took it from him. He's obviously grown offensively and gotten a lot stronger as well. Whether we will ever have enough around him to have a cup run or even a good streak of playoff appearances during his prime, I doubt this more every year.
JTM - I've just seen too much garbage from him and have to agree with another poster around passion being too easy an excuse for him. It's not just the antics that get the attention like the Spencer Martin thing and yelling at teammates. Blow ups are fine now and then and I'm fine with that in the other player examples. But to me passion can also come out in putting your head down and skating back hard after a brutal giveaway pass. Also, refraining from throwing your head back and sulking when he doesn't get the puck on the PP. He's not the kind of guy I want to go into the fight with because he's more about JTM getting his vs. the team. - Sayros
I feelya on what you said. 👍
On JTM I’ll add his emotions get the better of him & the optics look not good for sure. He’s blossomed here but also hasn’t had enough support. He has to be more mature. He needs everyone to back him up & insulate him better & step up & take on the burden of the will to win & all that it’ll take.
We didn’t have enough talent & character but hopefully that is changing.
It is okay to question things. Not every fan has the same feeling and can be divided. I really didn't like the Sedin era. Great players even though not my style. I thought everything and I mean everything was linked to them. Too much attention was spent on them and the rest of the team was very unbalanced.
Spending this much money on Petey is sort of repeating itself once again. I really like Petey and if he signed for 10 mil then sign away.
Makita brought up yesterday about him wanting a competitive team but wants the lions share of the money.
I will tell you my opinion of top teams depends on the B C and D list of players on the roster not only the top players.
If your budget only allows for the Dries , Studnicka Pizza man and you bottom part of the team you are going nowhere.
Ruebey has gone full dump on Canucks this year but we still know this is his team. Let him blow off steam. There should not be a line in the sand that says you are not a fan just because you don't agree with everything.
I can tell you that everyone here cares for this team because we have been coming here for years almost daily to talk Canucks. - VANTEL
Ty for the levity that I didn’t post.
I didn’t say a fan has to be all things I like in a fan. I did call some out for their attitudes. No fan is any better than another but some are worse than others. My 2 bits.
Totally agree fans such as Reuby & others in here are fans no doubt. Nobody in here do I think of otherwise. I just just get exasperated like Mak does seeing only negativity ruling the day. It’s not all doom & gloom & only a game after all.
Are all fans created equal & to be accepted? I say no. I don’t stand by the fan that has whined on & on for years or decades. Pouters. I don’t stand by so called fans who were in the riot. Losers. Idc about any fans citing history as if it matters today. Irrelevant.
I respect all fans who bleed Canucks & suffer through it all just as I expect players to do the same. A constant poisonous environment anywhere in life is unhealthy & wrong. Every new season is just that a fresh start to be better & that is where I stand. I choose to like players & not like players but it all leads to getting better & sticking it out. I have high expectations on players to be their best & challenge adversity & be the difference or get outta the way. Furthermore I place it on mgmt to put the Canucks in a place to succeed & do anything it takes.
I enjoy fans takes on what they like & dislike not just one of them. I enjoy constructive criticism. I respect any fan who sticks it out in both the good & bad times. I appreciate every effort by mgmt & players to be their best.
The cup is a long journey that is known as the hardest to achieve. I don’t place it all on cup or bust. I’ve enjoyed many seasons & far more disappointing seasons. Overall it’s hockey & my passion to watch it never wavers. My team. - Nighthawk
I've been a supporter of this team from the beginning, but this owner lost me when he hired Linden, since then this team has been in shambles, it's not Linden's fault he was lust put into a position he really didn't want to be in. Our past owners were cheap when it came to this team, this owner spends to the maximum but he's just throwing it away. As for winning a cup, the other owners in this league don't like FA so good luck competing for a cup, the last time they just stopped calling penalties shutting down our no.1 PP. Thank gawd the amount of rugby broadcast and streamed has increased 10 fold since then. I can't support this team because it supports Aquilini. I've had conversations with friends about this team and this owner, and we all agree that this owner doesn't want a cup, he wants playoff revenue year after year after year, he learned that the last time the team played for the cup it ended up tearing the team apart and now he cant get it back no matter how much money he throws at it. So anyone has the right to complain about how shitty this team is run, any other business run this way would have gone out of business years ago.
On JTM I’ll add his emotions get the better of him & the optics look not good for sure. He’s blossomed here but also hasn’t had enough support. He has to be more mature. He needs everyone to back him up & insulate him better & step up & take on the burden of the will to win & all that it’ll take.
We didn’t have enough talent & character but hopefully that is changing. - Nighthawk
Yeah, I just do get sick of the 'he cares too much' excuse. If you want to be a leader and looked at as such, you need to develop better habits. Other emotional people/players have done the same thing. Otherwise, be a support cast guy. Be a one-dimensional player and see how far it can take you. I've no doubt he'd be aces on a team like vegas with a strong leadership group, but I have many doubts he can be our leader and do so effectively.
There's a good article here (I dunno it was free to me and I don't have a sub). Funny the timing of it cause he seemed to regress on most of these fronts immediately afterward ... and in a big way.
I've been a supporter of this team from the beginning, but this owner lost me when he hired Linden, since then this team has been in shambles, it's not Linden's fault he was lust put into a position he really didn't want to be in. Our past owners were cheap when it came to this team, this owner spends to the maximum but he's just throwing it away. As for winning a cup, the other owners in this league don't like FA so good luck competing for a cup, the last time they just stopped calling penalties shutting down our no.1 PP. Thank gawd the amount of rugby broadcast and streamed has increased 10 fold since then. I can't support this team because it supports Aquilini. I've had conversations with friends about this team and this owner, and we all agree that this owner doesn't want a cup, he wants playoff revenue year after year after year, he learned that the last time the team played for the cup it ended up tearing the team apart and now he cant get it back no matter how much money he throws at it. So anyone has the right to complain about how shitty this team is run, any other business run this way would have gone out of business years ago. - A_SteamingLombardi
I’ve never been an FA fan or his family & how they got to where they are. In fact I despise them. I also never hear good things about ownership other than they spend to the cap. That isn’t close enough to making it right.
I respect your being a long time fan & your concerns. We can only hope on the ice gets better & fans rewarded. Idgaf about owners coffers in the least. I try to separate my thoughts on the owner & the on ice product but it’s intertwined & ingrained these many years.
Yeah, I just do get sick of the 'he cares too much' excuse. If you want to be a leader and looked at as such, you need to develop better habits. Other emotional people/players have done the same thing. Otherwise, be a support cast guy. Be a one-dimensional player and see how far it can take you. I've no doubt he'd be aces on a team like vegas with a strong leadership group, but I have many doubts he can be our leader and do so effectively.
There's a good article here (I dunno it was free to me and I don't have a sub). Funny the timing of it cause he seemed to regress on most of these fronts immediately afterward ... and in a big way.
You hit on it with more leadership is lacking. JTM shouldn’t be so much in the forefront but should leave it to his on ice performance doing the talking. The character & leadership has been lacking for many many years. Bo wasn’t the best at it. The Sedins were on ice & off ice leaders in the community. Once players like Burrows Bieksa & Hansen were gone we took a big nose dive in the character department that is far from getting back to. The need for more warriors mentality is obvious.
Don't let Reubs drag you down. He'll be the first back on the bandwagon if the team does well....well maybe not the first, but definitely in the first thousand.
Now that’s what you call a “supergroup”. 
The drugs were so much better back then.