yeah they got a 2nd pick - and created the "Cherepanov rule".
- 21peter

Leafs signed Amirov, so it will not apply.

Correct:

https://www.cbc.ca/sports...yer-death-report-1.728120

Did the Leafs ever sign Amirov?

Edit: they did.

https://www.nhl.com/maple...rodion-amirov/c-323672640

So no compensatory draft pick.
- Atomic Wedgie

Of course very hard to make a rule fair for 'every' possibility, but doesn't seem fair that the Rangers got a pick because they didn't sign him and vice versa for the Leafs.

Correct:

https://www.cbc.ca/sports...yer-death-report-1.728120

Did the Leafs ever sign Amirov?

Edit: they did.

https://www.nhl.com/maple...rodion-amirov/c-323672640

So no compensatory draft pick.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't know if the NHL still applies the rule that an unsigned first round player results in a compensatory pick later in the draft. For the record, the Rangers selected Ethan Werek who never made the NHL.

Luc Bourdon, similar to Amirov, tragically passed away far too young and because he had signed a deal with the Canucks, there was no compensation.

Edit: It's still in the CBA:

8.3 Compensatory Draft Selections.

(a) In addition to the seven (7) rounds of the Entry Draft, there shall be an additional number of Compensatory Draft Selections not to exceed the number of Clubs to be in the League in the following League Year.

(b) In the event a Club loses its draft rights to an Unsigned Draft Choice drafted in the first round of the Entry Draft (except as a result of failing to tender a required Bona Fide Offer (as defined below)), who (i) is again eligible for the Entry Draft, (ii) becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent, or (iii) dies, a Compensatory Draft Selection shall automatically be granted to that Club, which Compensatory Draft Selection shall be the same numerical choice in the second round in the Entry Draft immediately following the date the Club loses such rights. By way of example, if a Club cannot sign the third pick in the first round, it will receive the third pick in the second round as compensation.

It was a little less heroic than you suggest. Bergeron made $96M in his career. He made $5M last year but agreed to take half of it in bonuses(he had to play 10 games). Krejci did the same on his contract.

The team knew last year was their shot so they just moved a chunk of pain into this year.

Also, I was wrong, it was $3.5M combined cap hit.
- Canada Cup

Come on my man! This planet needs more heros, why would you take that away from us

Leafs signed Amirov, so it will not apply.
- Atomic Wedgie

Signed in April ‘21 and diagnosed the following February

Leafs signed Amirov, so it will not apply.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'd say Leafs should ask for a compensation and hope they can create another rule...

Of course very hard to make a rule fair for 'every' possibility, but doesn't seem fair that the Rangers got a pick because they didn't sign him and vice versa for the Leafs.
- 21peter

This touches on morbidity - but the Rangers argument had to do with the rule that an unsigned first round pick resulted in a compensatory pick. The NHL rule (then certainly; I'm unsure of now) stated that if a player selected in the first round was unable to come to terms on a contract with the drafting team, they were eligible for compensation. Now, the unwritten part of this is that it presumes the player was re-entering the draft - but of course Cherepanov . . well, you know. But the rule as expressed didn't actually care if the player did re-enter (what if they were a multi-sport player and chose, instead, to pursue a career in broomball?).

There isn't a rule to cover tragedy.

This touches on morbidity - but the Rangers argument had to do with the rule that an unsigned first round pick resulted in a compensatory pick. The NHL rule (then certainly; I'm unsure of now) stated that if a player selected in the first round was unable to come to terms on a contract with the drafting team, they were eligible for compensation. Now, the unwritten part of this is that it presumes the player was re-entering the draft - but of course Cherepanov . . well, you know. But the rule as expressed didn't actually care if the player did re-enter (what if they were a multi-sport player and chose, instead, to pursue a career in broomball?).

There isn't a rule to cover tragedy.
- Monkeypunk

Exactly...

Can mention that the KHL retired Cherepanov's #7 and named the Rookie of the year Award after him.

I'd say Leafs should ask for a compensation and hope they can create another rule...
- 21peter

Bettman would invoke the All Leaf Picks Are Busts exemption

Exactly...

Can mention that the KHL retired Cherepanov's #7 and named the Rookie of the year Award after him.
- 21peter

The didn't give one to the Canucks after Bourdon passed, so I think the precedent has been set. Again when it comes to the consideration of loss of human life this poop shouldn't matter, but when you talk about people as assets and their organizational value, it's the argument they'd make - and ultimately Bourdon was a higher touted prospect and selected higher in the draft.

I happen to think when something tragic like this happens, the NHL should have a way to make minor exceptions - I mean the compensatory pick falls in the second round under rule 8.3b, so widening it's future scope to include loss of life prior to an NHL career beginning probably wouldn't ruffle any feathers.

The didn't give one to the Canucks after Bourdon passed, so I think the precedent has been set. Again when it comes to the consideration of loss of human life this poop shouldn't matter, but when you talk about people as assets and their organizational value, it's the argument they'd make - and ultimately Bourdon was a higher touted prospect and selected higher in the draft.

I happen to think when something tragic like this happens, the NHL should have a way to make minor exceptions - I mean the compensatory pick falls in the second round under rule 8.3b, so widening it's future scope to include loss of life prior to an NHL career beginning probably wouldn't ruffle any feathers.
- Monkeypunk

100% agreed

It's when things like this happens rules get changed...
They failed last time, they maybe get it right this time.

The didn't give one to the Canucks after Bourdon passed, so I think the precedent has been set. Again when it comes to the consideration of loss of human life this poop shouldn't matter, but when you talk about people as assets and their organizational value, it's the argument they'd make - and ultimately Bourdon was a higher touted prospect and selected higher in the draft.

I happen to think when something tragic like this happens, the NHL should have a way to make minor exceptions - I mean the compensatory pick falls in the second round under rule 8.3b, so widening it's future scope to include loss of life prior to an NHL career beginning probably wouldn't ruffle any feathers.
- Monkeypunk

Yes.

Except it’s the Leafs, so it won’t happen.

100% agreed

It's when things like this happens rules get changed...
They failed last time, they maybe get it right this time.
- 21peter

I’m only reading this briefly, but I don’t think the rule actually changed.

Sather argued that the rule in the books as written applied to tragedy - and they ruled he was correct.

They later wrote additional language to make it more clear, but nothing really changed.

I’m only reading this briefly, but I don’t think the rule actually changed.

Sather argued that the rule in the books as written applied to tragedy - and they ruled he was correct.

They later wrote additional language to make it more clear, but nothing really changed.
- Atomic Wedgie

well, can't say I'm too surprised really...

The didn't give one to the Canucks after Bourdon passed, so I think the precedent has been set. Again when it comes to the consideration of loss of human life this poop shouldn't matter, but when you talk about people as assets and their organizational value, it's the argument they'd make - and ultimately Bourdon was a higher touted prospect and selected higher in the draft.

I happen to think when something tragic like this happens, the NHL should have a way to make minor exceptions - I mean the compensatory pick falls in the second round under rule 8.3b, so widening it's future scope to include loss of life prior to an NHL career beginning probably wouldn't ruffle any feathers.
- Monkeypunk

Claude Gauthier, first overall pick in the 1964 draft, has never played in the NHL. He is 75. Red Wings could use a second round pick in the next 15 or so years.

I don’t see this as a realistic development.

[quote=Big23Questions]
Love the line up. I'm in Big!

I'd prefer the Leafs not trade Nylander because I think we're a (frank) of a lot better with him. But yeah, his contract will determine what happens there.

But there's no reason whatsoever to trade Liljegren. Like, it just makes no sense. He's young and just getting better and better and on top of that, doesn't make a lot of $$$.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Classic "the devil you know." It's hard to imagine the team being better without Willie because we've had Willie for so long.

But where have we gotten with Willie? Why would this team necessarily be worse without him?

It's time to break up the 50(ish)% cap anchor the Core 4 has rendered upon this team.

I don't know if the NHL still applies the rule that an unsigned first round player results in a compensatory pick later in the draft. For the record, the Rangers selected Ethan Werek who never made the NHL.

Luc Bourdon, similar to Amirov, tragically passed away far too young and because he had signed a deal with the Canucks, there was no compensation.

Edit: It's still in the CBA:

8.3 Compensatory Draft Selections.

(a) In addition to the seven (7) rounds of the Entry Draft, there shall be an additional number of Compensatory Draft Selections not to exceed the number of Clubs to be in the League in the following League Year.

(b) In the event a Club loses its draft rights to an Unsigned Draft Choice drafted in the first round of the Entry Draft (except as a result of failing to tender a required Bona Fide Offer (as defined below)), who (i) is again eligible for the Entry Draft, (ii) becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent, or (iii) dies, a Compensatory Draft Selection shall automatically be granted to that Club, which Compensatory Draft Selection shall be the same numerical choice in the second round in the Entry Draft immediately following the date the Club loses such rights. By way of example, if a Club cannot sign the third pick in the first round, it will receive the third pick in the second round as compensation.
- Monkeypunk

Lest we forget that Luc Bourdon played 36 games for the Canucks.

and in more cheerful news...

Maybe don't retire, ever.

I did, and had the heart attack 2 mos. later.

Saturday we were out for dinner with my best friend and his wife. We were talking about when he would retire, and where we would travel together first. His wife just turned 60 and retired end of July.

The next day, after our dinner, she died in a bicycle accident.

Sometimes, the world is a poopty place.

Classic "the devil you know." It's hard to imagine the team being better without Willie because we've had Willie for so long.

But where have we gotten with Willie? Why would this team necessarily be worse without him?

It's time to break up the 50(ish)% cap anchor the Core 4 has rendered upon this team.
- mjones242

It is a valid question but not as likely or as obvious (to me anyway) as the JVR situation.

and in more cheerful news...

Maybe don't retire, ever.

I did, and had the heart attack 2 mos. later.

Saturday we were out for dinner with my best friend and his wife. We were talking about when he would retire, and where we would travel together first. His wife just turned 60 and retired end of July.

The next day, after our dinner, she died in a bicycle accident.

Sometimes, the world is a poopty place.
- Aetherial

Oh boy.

My condolences to you, your wife and your friends’ family.

Lest we forget that Luc Bourdon played 36 games for the Canucks.
- mjones242

And Dimitry Tertyshny - horrible boating accident in 1999 after playing 62 games for the Flyers his rookie season.

IIRC, the Flyers also had a very young player die of cancer - can’t remember if he played in the NHL or not.

Edit: Yanick Dupre. 35 games over three seasons with the Flyers before dying of leukaemia (thanks to the boys on the Flyers board for helping me with this one).

It is a valid question but not as likely or as obvious (to me anyway) as the JVR situation.
- Aetherial

.

and in more cheerful news...

Maybe don't retire, ever.

I did, and had the heart attack 2 mos. later.

Saturday we were out for dinner with my best friend and his wife. We were talking about when he would retire, and where we would travel together first. His wife just turned 60 and retired end of July.

The next day, after our dinner, she died in a bicycle accident.

Sometimes, the world is a poopty place.
- Aetherial

dats a tough read

guess I'm going back to my old 70 hours weeks from my carefree semi-retired life next Monday then...

[quote=underhill14]


Thanks man.

The offence from 88 is a loss. But it is made up easily with Bert/Domi/Lindholm.

To me the benefits of having a much much harder competitive team with jam and personality is what the doctor always orders come post season. Tough 3 lines with skill, a 4th that can chip/chase eat minutes, and a dcore that will be hard in own zone.
Nothing wrong with a 4th that will chip chase wear down bodies and eat clock.
All lines to me can skate too.