The flip side to that is, does the team need a Lafferty in 5 years (that's how long it took him/around a 5th rounder to make it)? Or is it more forward thinking to support this group as much as possible with Petey's decision being based off the team's competitiveness? The long-term benefit to keeping Petey around outweighs having a 10% chance of your own Lafferty in 5 years. And no, not saying that trading for Laff is gonna make Petey stay, just saying putting themselves in the most competitive position right now is probably the smartest position to take for the franchise (and the franchise player), especially considering the minimal cost.

And no, Lafferty isn't going to make or break the PK. But there are only really 4 main forwards for a PK, so if he can win that 25% job and make a positive impact over JTM... that's pretty good, especially for our trash PK.
- NewYorkNuck

Probably is given canucks are handicaped by the owner situation and staunch resistance to rebuild, but I think that's where many (including myself) will disagree on forward thinking. With or without Petey, this group isn't close. Not because of Petey, or Hughes or our top level talent ... but because of so many bad contract decisions still impacting, being from buyout or still on roster. This has left the team so incredibly thin that they can't absorb injuries. Combine that with fact they have zero upward pressure from young guys ... which is an absolute must in today's NHL. So it can be argued that it would be more forward thinking to stop tossing picks, even if they are later lottery ticket type ones.

https://twitter.com/AnnaNoelleDua/status/1711743909792014632

Why the hell can't Canada have hockey reporters like this.
- manvanfan

Holy smokes!

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VGK did in fact put Miromanov on LTIR which means he is unavailable to the team for 10 games/24 days. Obviously this helps Vegas get cap compliant but also allows them to not waive him and continue to look for a trade. I would love to know what his injury is though. Sites reporting it’s “undisclosed” and connected to last year. 🤷‍♂️

Most us that are 'whining' about the trade, and I don't think anyone on this board actually is, is that this is literally changing the deck chairs on the Titanic. Lafferty isn't going to hurt us, but he's not going to massively improve us either, so the move literally is just trading another draft pick for a 4th liner/13th forward that we probably don't hold on to after this season (whether we trade him, let him walk in FA or waive him like Toronto would have had to). As someone stated, the 4th line is not the problem, and if you're relying on Lafferty to be the player that somehow gets you over the hump then you're already screwed.
- DariusKnight

They literally drafted players to build up for what you are talking about but it takes years to develop. In the meantime what is wrong with some improvements via trade? At least now the team needs to show progress.

krufrank
@krufrank
VGK did in fact put Miromanov on LTIR which means he is unavailable to the team for 10 games/24 days. Obviously this helps Vegas get cap compliant but also allows them to not waive him and continue to look for a trade. I would love to know what his injury is though. Sites reporting it’s “undisclosed” and connected to last year. 🤷‍♂️
- manvanfan

Like all champs got to cheat to win. Not a single compliant Cup winner during flat cap era.

They literally drafted players to build up for what you are talking about but it takes years to develop. In the meantime what is wrong with some improvements via trade? At least now the team needs to show progress.
- Quinn's Quest

This will just go around in circles, some will complain about lack of picks, then they will complain about any picks keep and made, then they will complain about busted picks because development time takes too long, then they will complain and use exaggerated BS to...well complain about anything that present and past managements have done.

I think you can see the common denominator here, there will be a faction that just can't help but complain.

Like all champs got to cheat to win. Not a single compliant Cup winner during flat cap era.
- Quinn's Quest

As soon as others are healthy, it will be Stone.

Yes the 4th line HAS really been a problem. Of course not THE problem. Poorly phrased question.
- Nighthawk

I agree it hasn't been the problem but has been a problem as in we can't play the 4th line more than 8-9 minutes without spending the whole time in the defensive zone. This has lead to more minutes for the 3rd line and the top lines which has also contributed to the challenges. I think he can play 10-15 mins and not be a liability which is an improvement over the 4th line personnel over the last 3-4 yrs.

This will just go around in circles, some will complain about lack of picks, then they will complain about any picks keep and made, then they will complain about busted picks because development time takes too long, then they will complain and use exaggerated BS to...well complain about anything that present and past managements have done.

I think you can see the common denominator here, there will be a faction that just can't help but complain.
- Makita

My personal favourites are the ones who complain about people who cheer for the team

As soon as others are healthy, it will be Stone.
- manvanfan

I wouldn't be bad if Mikheyev was put on LTIR to facilitate a trade for a Dman.

Mistaking poor cap management with there is an issue with having a salary cap.





Cap going up next year and most teams will still be in the same spots they are now.
- manvanfan

I think some GM's will have learned from the flat cap era and will be better for it, while others will be stupid as they were in the past.

Probably is given canucks are handicaped by the owner situation and staunch resistance to rebuild, but I think that's where many (including myself) will disagree on forward thinking. With or without Petey, this group isn't close. Not because of Petey, or Hughes or our top level talent ... but because of so many bad contract decisions still impacting, being from buyout or still on roster. This has left the team so incredibly thin that they can't absorb injuries. Combine that with fact they have zero upward pressure from young guys ... which is an absolute must in today's NHL. So it can be argued that it would be more forward thinking to stop tossing picks, even if they are later lottery ticket type ones.
- Sayros

You rebuild to get players like EP, Hughes and Demko to build around. Once you have them you spend futures to keep them competitive. Right now may not be the best time as EP may want to bail, but We have the superstar in each position now

I wouldn't be bad if Mikheyev was put on LTIR to facilitate a trade for a Dman.
- dbot

I'd just trade a roster player, Personally.

I think some GM's will have learned from the flat cap era and will be better for it, while others will be stupid as they were in the past.
- Retinalz

I doubt much changes.

You rebuild to get players like EP, Hughes and Demko to build around. Once you have them you spend futures to keep them competitive. Right now may not be the best time as EP may want to bail, but We have the superstar in each position now
- Retinalz

One of the Canucks issue is that since EP, Hughes, Demko, Miller, Boeser have been added. They have added very little to help move that needle more than just a tick here and there. They need Hoglander and Podkolzin to boom.

Since 16-17 season the best rookie seasons behind Petey, Brock and Quinn is Hoglander and Podkolzin 27 and 26 points. Years later they aren't NHL regulars yet.

Development is going on but they need some players to really pop in the next year or two I'd say. Canucks management doing the next thing to give the big guns just steady help from others.

Where’s Michael?
- thegooddr

One of the Canucks issue is that since EP, Hughes, Demko, Miller, Boeser have been added. They have added very little to help move that needle more than just a tick here and there. They need Hoglander and Podkolzin to boom.

Since 16-17 season the best rookie seasons behind Petey, Brock and Quinn is Hoglander and Podkolzin 27 and 26 points. Years later they aren't NHL regulars yet.

Development is going on but they need some players to really pop in the next year or two I'd say. Canucks management doing the next thing to give the big guns just steady help from others.
- manvanfan

Yes and this is where they are stuck. It's going to take a very drastic buck in the trend for players like you mention. Maybe they were decent prospects, but their development was cratered one way or another. The league isn't filled with guys like them where it suddenly clicks where they can be difference makers. It happens, just the exception not the norm and these guys are years down the path now of being asked to fulfill an NHL roll and unable to. We can talk about a Likkermaki or Wallinder, but that is years down. I respect the viewpoint that you draft and rebuild to try and get players like EP, QH, TD ... unfortunately their timing is just way off and their panic signings and trades have made it worse.

- Marwood

Yes and this is where there are stuck. It's going to take a very drastic buck in the trend for players like you mention. Maybe they were decent prospects, but their development was cratered one way or another. The league isn't filled with guys like them where it suddenly clicks where they can be difference makers. It happens, just the exception not the norm and these guys are years down the path now of being asked to fulfill an NHL roll and unable to. We can talk about a Likkermaki or Wallinder, but that is years down. I respect the viewpoint that you draft and rebuild to try and get players like EP, QH, TD ... unfortunately their timing is just way off and their panic signings and trades have made it worse.
- Sayros

Benning wasn't good at trading most of the time. If he could have been a bit more patient possibly McCann booms as he has in Seattle. Forsling in Florida. At least this new management hasn't been trading away the quality prospects.

I hope they allow some of the developing players a chance now though during call ups this season. Training camp didn't show many that were ready for a roster spot.

- VanHockeyGuy

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Where’s Michael?
- thegooddr

He's to emotionally distraught about the Canucks trading away a 5th round pick to write a blog.

He's to emotionally distraught about the Canucks trading away a 5th round pick to write a blog.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I thought his thing was he only writes blogs for negative things the Canucks do.

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- dbot

I finally watched the NZ Uruguay game, where has that been all year. Damian McKenzie was fun to watch.

I thought his thing was he only writes blogs for negative things the Canucks do.
- manvanfan

His last blog was about the Pearson trade and that was very positive.