Idk, it's also not relevant. I'm talking about in a scenario where an injury frees up a roster spot.

I agree they wont waive him till they absolutely have to, but eventually if they have to choose between signing Kane and waiving bryson that's probably an easy call for them lol.
- Michael Ghofrani

Of course on Kane vs. Bryson or Stillman.

They've painted themselves into a corner by inactivity and being scared to be aggressive.

I mean, I thought they didn't give a poop about UPL one bit, right?

Of course on Kane vs. Bryson or Stillman.

They've painted themselves into a corner by inactivity and being scared to be aggressive.

I mean, I thought they didn't give a poop about UPL one bit, right?
- kingcong39

I don't think view him highly, and I haven't seen or heard anything that would make me think any differently.

I do think they are timid and I think when Spencer Martin gets claimed off waivers, that basically makes UPL a roster lock.

I don't think view him highly, and I haven't seen or heard anything that would make me think any differently.

I do think they are timid and I think when Spencer Martin gets claimed off waivers, that basically makes UPL a roster lock.
- Michael Ghofrani

Big time timid, and trying to keep all their toys with an incredibly insular approach to building a team.

Extremely difficult to have success that way.

Big time timid, and trying to keep all their toys with an incredibly insular approach to building a team.

Extremely difficult to have success that way.
- kingcong39

I guess it's the CAR model that Karmanos maybe brought over. Cause off the top of my head the lead up to their success was mostly just doing this, right?

Although signing Kane would be totally off base so im not sure.

I don't think view him highly, and I haven't seen or heard anything that would make me think any differently.

I do think they are timid and I think when Spencer Martin gets claimed off waivers, that basically makes UPL a roster lock.
- Michael Ghofrani

Wasn't Martin claimed by CBJ earlier today...?

Wasn't Martin claimed by CBJ earlier today...?
- kingcong39

Yeah, and he's probably worse than UPL. So if he's someone who can't get through waivers I doubt the Sabres will risk running Luukkonen through.

I guess it's the CAR model that Karmanos maybe brought over. Cause off the top of my head the lead up to their success was mostly just doing this, right?

Although signing Kane would be totally off base so im not sure.
- Michael Ghofrani

Could be with Carolina, but they had to begin looking outside the ORG a few seasons ago, and they've had trouble getting over the hump.

Yeah, and he's probably worse than UPL. So if he's someone who can't get through waivers I doubt the Sabres will risk running Luukkonen through.
- Michael Ghofrani

Who is dealing with G injuries, other than TB? I have no idea.

Yeah, and he's probably worse than UPL. So if he's someone who can't get through waivers I doubt the Sabres will risk running Luukkonen through.
- Michael Ghofrani

He is? His numbers in the AHL the past 2 seasons don't indicate that.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/spencer-martin

He is? His numbers in the AHL the past 2 seasons don't indicate that.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/spencer-martin
- kingcong39

No but his 29 games in the NHL do.

Who is dealing with G injuries, other than TB? I have no idea.
- Lunaion

Avs, right?

Avs, right?
- Michael Ghofrani

Forgot about them. They just need a backup, so taking their favorite waiver wire guy is a good option....that's a problem.

Forgot about them. They just need a backup, so taking their favorite waiver wire guy is a good option....that's a problem.
- Lunaion

The VAN reporter that said CBJ was interested in martin (before he was claimed) also said COL and TB were interested.

We're talking about a 28 year old with worse numbers than UPL. I just can't see a scenario where he wouldn't get claimed.

They should be working out a trade but I'm told those are like, super hard to make.

The VAN reporter that said CBJ was interested in martin (before he was claimed) also said COL and TB were interested.

We're talking about a 28 year old with worse numbers than UPL. I just can't see a scenario where he wouldn't get claimed.

They should be working out a trade but I'm told those are like, super hard to make.
- Michael Ghofrani

Think I remember Toronto have 2 backup goalies claimed a few years ago. Things can get funny in a hurry.

A UPL trade next week would be an encouraging change of approach. Hope they are talking. I hate the idea of 3G.

The VAN reporter that said CBJ was interested in martin (before he was claimed) also said COL and TB were interested.

We're talking about a 28 year old with worse numbers than UPL. I just can't see a scenario where he wouldn't get claimed.

They should be working out a trade but I'm told those are like, super hard to make.
- Michael Ghofrani

Tampa has a goaltending problem...?

That's a 42-SAVE SHUTOUT 😤



https://twitter.com/TBLig...9oRotMvXStuP9F0-ZAqA&s=19

Think I remember Toronto have 2 backup goalies claimed a few years ago. Things can get funny in a hurry.

A UPL trade next week would be an encouraging change of approach. Hope they are talking.
- Lunaion

Yeah the McElhinney debacle, was that the same year they signed sateri from finland and lost him too?

More teams are carrying 3 goalies and in theory it'd make sense with the Starter being a rookie but at this point it's less stability and just an extra body I don't trust.

"what if Levi falters early on" okay and the duo that sunk the team last year is supposed to be my reassurance?

Think I remember Toronto have 2 backup goalies claimed a few years ago. Things can get funny in a hurry.

A UPL trade next week would be an encouraging change of approach. Hope they are talking. I hate the idea of 3G.
- Lunaion

We both know they're keeping all goaltenders on the NHL roster.

Wish I could get away with telling my bosses that work is tough as the reason for not getting more done.

Yeah the McElhinney debacle, was that the same year they signed sateri from finland and lost him too?

More teams are carrying 3 goalies and in theory it'd make sense with the Starter being a rookie but at this point it's less stability and just an extra body I don't trust.

"what if Levi falters early on" okay and the duo that sunk the team last year is supposed to be my reassurance?
- Michael Ghofrani

The problem is they are not carrying 3 goaltenders because they don't believe in Levi.

They're doing it because they were too chickenpoop to pull the trigger on a real move.

Expert at having conversations, laughable at actually taking action and being decisive.

The problem is they are not carrying 3 goaltenders because they don't believe in Levi.

They're doing it because they were too chickenpoop to pull the trigger on a real move.

Expert at having conversations, laughable at actually taking action and being decisive.
- kingcong39

I get the frustration, but which goalie move that actually happened would you have wanted in place of what's already here?

The only one that came to mind was Talbot, and I doubt you get him to sign here instead of LA if he has to fight it out with Comrie for the 2nd spot.

I get the frustration, but which goalie move that actually happened would you have wanted in place of what's already here?

The only one that came to mind was Talbot, and I doubt you get him to sign here instead of LA if he has to fight it out with Comrie for the 2nd spot.
- Michael Ghofrani

Why are we limited in what could happen to only what did happen?

Not my job to be doing deep dives on player analysis and finding options, then taking action on them.

That's their job, and I'm not accepting the excuse of things are hard and nobody else did much, so what can we do commentary that is out there.

They took the passive, inaction route because they are totally married to Levi and they hope they can squeeze out a reasonable number of starts from the Comrie/UPL tandem to fill the gap.

Why are we limited in what could happen to only what did happen?

Not my job to be doing deep dives on player analysis and finding options, then taking action on them.

That's their job, and I'm not accepting the excuse of things are hard and nobody else did much, so what can we do commentary that is out there.

They took the passive, inaction route because they are totally married to Levi and they hope they can squeeze out a reasonable number of starts from the Comrie/UPL tandem to fill the gap.
- kingcong39

Because I don't know what else was actually out there. For all I know they were prepared to give up the farm for hellebuyck and he simply wasn't available.

A bunch of players we thought for sure were moving are still where they were last year.

If it comes out that teams just werent willing to meet a reasonable price that's one thing. But if I offer Savoie and Kulich for Hellebuyck with no extension and WPG says no because they need to make a run to 8th Idk what more to do with that. Other GMs can be dumb too.

The problem is they are not carrying 3 goaltenders because they don't believe in Levi.

They're doing it because they were too chickenpoop to pull the trigger on a real move.

Expert at having conversations, laughable at actually taking action and being decisive.
- kingcong39

I think 31 GM's have Levi starting in the AHL this year, injuries aside.

If that's true, a buyout was a completely reasonable move.
- Lunaion

Why would you not just send him to Rochester at that point? No need to mess with the cap next season

Plenty of teams will start with less than 23. It's really not all that bold.
- Lunaion

How many of them with ~$9M(with 23) in cap space though?

https://www.nhl.com/sabre...-don-granato-brandon-biro
Last paragraph before the lines is telling.