My hope is that the Flyers move away from antiquated and obsolete player development strategies and modernize their methods. Don't know if that can happen with Tortorella coaching.
- MJL

I don't mind the tough love, it works for some. No question Frost is talented, getting the best from the talented ones is sometimes a struggle. What I don't like is doing it to the point where it hurts their value as a player. The toilet seat comment was just wrong, this one doesn't bother me as much. Torts said some nice things but again pressed they need for Frost to take control of where he is headed. It is the toilet seat comment, that allows this comment to be seen as overly critical.

That's the issue. Why does he feel Frost needs an extra kick? Frost is a player that has steadily improved since he came into the league. Has done everything the coaches have asked of him by all reports. As well as overcoming a major injury where he missed pretty much a full season of development. Frost should be getting more praise than criticism from the coach.
- MJL

This! Frost did need to be coached about how he stopped moving his feet but he adjusted ans fixed that issue. But after that, torts never backed off of him.
I do think that frost has another level to reach but he will get there whether torts Beata him down or praises him. Ya never know, frost may respond even better to some praise and encouragement but I don't expect torts to try the kind route

We have enough wingers, we have poor center depth
- ClaudeFather

The Flyers currently have Couturier, Cates and Frost. The Flyers best top two prospects drafted in the top 5 the last two seasons, have the potential to play center. When looking at developing a young player, you shouldn't develop him based on your organizational depth. You should develop him to maximize the player's value to achieve the highest upside. It's certainly debatable but in my opinion, Cates has a higher overall upside as a winger.

I don't mind the tough love, it works for some. No question Frost is talented, getting the best from the talented ones is sometimes a struggle. What I don't like is doing it to the point where it hurts their value as a player. The toilet seat comment was just wrong, this one doesn't bother me as much. Torts said some nice things but again pressed they need for Frost to take control of where he is headed. It is the toilet seat comment, that allows this comment to be seen as overly critical.
- wcorvette

Tough love can be fine when it's justified and warranted. With Tortorella, it's often not. I don't have an issue with the recent comments but in the past, Tortorella has been off base with his comments and treatment of Frost. He made a mistake in the early part of the season with his handling of Frost. I mind that.

This! Frost did need to be coached about how he stopped moving his feet but he adjusted ans fixed that issue. But after that, torts never backed off of him.
I do think that frost has another level to reach but he will get there whether torts Beata him down or praises him. Ya never know, frost may respond even better to some praise and encouragement but I don't expect torts to try the kind route
- Bob Habib

That moving his feet mantra for someone reason has been constantly applied to Frost. He overcame that before Tortorella was hired. I don't see Frost as more than at the most, a 60 point player if he is given enough ice time to produce that. I hope I'm wrong and it's higher but that's what I see.

The Flyers currently have Couturier, Cates and Frost. The Flyers best top two prospects drafted in the top 5 the last two seasons, have the potential to play center. When looking at developing a young player, you shouldn't develop him based on your organizational depth. You should develop him to maximize the player's value to achieve the highest upside. It's certainly debatable but in my opinion, Cates has a higher overall upside as a winger.
- MJL

We’ve had this argument repeatedly, his ceiling at wing is not better than his ceiling at center. If his ceiling at center, is only 40 points a year while playing Selke level defense at the position, you’re going to have a very difficult time convincing anyone he’s a better winger

We’ve had this argument repeatedly, his ceiling at wing is not better than his ceiling at center. If his ceiling at center, is only 40 points a year while playing Selke level defense at the position, you’re going to have a very difficult time convincing anyone he’s a better winger
- ClaudeFather

First you have to convince me that he can score those 40 points as a 3C. Doubtful. That's what you're missing. If he can only score 40 points playing up in the lineup at center, then he is not a top 6 center.

First you have to convince me that he can score those 40 points as a 3C. Doubtful. That's what you're missing. If he can only score 40 points playing up in the lineup at center, then he is not a top 6 center.
- MJL

What’s your convincing? A 16 game sample size 😂. He’s played only one season at center, albeit in a higher role, there’s no reason he can’t improve offensively. I’ve stated I see him as a 3C that can matchup well and chip in offensively. I’m not looking for the guy to get 45-50 points

if NJ puts together their real roster we're going to get curb stomped
- 2Real

Just like the Eagles when they play REAL teams! And no, tonight's opponent isn't a REAL team. Thanks!

Just like the Eagles when they play REAL teams! And no, tonight's opponent isn't a REAL team. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Cowboys cant even beat fake teams hahahahahahha you (frank)ing loser...eh whqt...thanks.....emojis

Projected Flyers lineup:

Joel Farabee - Sean Couturier - Bobby Brink
Olle Lycksell - Morgan Frost - Cam Atkinson
Matt Brown - Denver Barkey - Tysoon Foerster
Brendan Furry - Elliot Desnoyers - Samu Tuomaala

Cam York - Sean Walker
Emil Andrae - Helge Grans
Nick Seeler - Oliver Bonk

Cal Petersen (1st and 2nd periods)
Felix Sandström (3rd period)


Projected Devils game group versus the Flyers:

FORWARDS
Alexander Holtz
Brian Halonen
Erik Haula
Jesper Bratt
Josh Filmon
Michael McLeod
Nico Hischier
Ondrej Palat
Ryan Schmelzer
Shane Bowers
Timo Meier
Tyce Thompson

DEFENSEMEN
Brendan Smith
Cal Foote
Daniil Misyul
Dougie Hamilton
Kevin Bahl
Santeri Hatakka

GOALIES
Vitek Vanecek
Erik Källgren

Projected Flyers lineup:

Joel Farabee - Sean Couturier - Bobby Brink
Olle Lycksell - Morgan Frost - Cam Atkinson
Matt Brown - Denver Barkey - Tysoon Foerster
Brendan Furry - Elliot Desnoyers - Samu Tuomaala

Cam York - Sean Walker
Emil Andrae - Helge Grans
Nick Seeler - Oliver Bonk

Cal Petersen (1st and 2nd periods)
Felix Sandström (3rd period)


Projected Devils game group versus the Flyers:

FORWARDS
Alexander Holtz
Brian Halonen
Erik Haula
Jesper Bratt
Josh Filmon
Michael McLeod
Nico Hischier
Ondrej Palat
Ryan Schmelzer
Shane Bowers
Timo Meier
Tyce Thompson

DEFENSEMEN
Brendan Smith
Cal Foote
Daniil Misyul
Dougie Hamilton
Kevin Bahl
Santeri Hatakka

GOALIES
Vitek Vanecek
Erik Källgren
- bmeltzer

Tysoon, you might have created a new nic for Tyson

Projected Flyers lineup:

Joel Farabee - Sean Couturier - Bobby Brink
Olle Lycksell - Morgan Frost - Cam Atkinson
Matt Brown - Denver Barkey - Tysoon Foerster
Brendan Furry - Elliot Desnoyers - Samu Tuomaala

Cam York - Sean Walker
Emil Andrae - Helge Grans
Nick Seeler - Oliver Bonk

Cal Petersen (1st and 2nd periods)
Felix Sandström (3rd period)


Projected Devils game group versus the Flyers:

FORWARDS
Alexander Holtz
Brian Halonen
Erik Haula
Jesper Bratt
Josh Filmon
Michael McLeod
Nico Hischier
Ondrej Palat
Ryan Schmelzer
Shane Bowers
Timo Meier
Tyce Thompson

DEFENSEMEN
Brendan Smith
Cal Foote
Daniil Misyul
Dougie Hamilton
Kevin Bahl
Santeri Hatakka

GOALIES
Vitek Vanecek
Erik Källgren
- bmeltzer

How are the two guys with Foerester?

We’ve had this argument repeatedly, his ceiling at wing is not better than his ceiling at center. If his ceiling at center, is only 40 points a year while playing Selke level defense at the position, you’re going to have a very difficult time convincing anyone he’s a better winger
- ClaudeFather

Exactly. People acting like shut down players are a dime a dozen. First year. New position. Has plenty of room to grow. Coots took years to break 40 points. Hayes is an example, last year being his best from an offensive standpoint had over 50. But before how many 50 plus point seasons did he have? What’s his average? At wing how many more points will he have? On the current roster who’s now playing center? And once we have additional centers he can be the 3c shutdown guy as coots will be older or he can always switch back to wing. The rest is blown way outta proportion.

none of those links say he was involved in the hayes /sanheim trade proposals. What ever dude. he was involved in a trade deal with the blues. Get over yourself.

The co-gm is clearly moving out or trying to move out guys he doesn't like
Please provide a link that supports this evidence.
- WhiskeyMan

ok follow along. They do not want to move laughton. Why is that so hard to comprehend. You pasted a link to show what was offered. that was a good offer. The blues making an offer does not mean he was involved in any deal or the flyers shopped him around.

The link is look who the flyers got rid off. Connect the dots Fredo.

My hope is that the Flyers move away from antiquated and obsolete player development strategies and modernize their methods. Don't know if that can happen with Tortorella coaching.
- MJL

Such as?

How are the two guys with Foerester?
- ClaudeFather

Heard brown is a good skater.

How are the two guys with Foerester?
- ClaudeFather

Matt Brown has had a good camp, and is likely to get an AHL contract with the Phantoms. Kind of a player in the Matt Read mold, although Read was more versatile and NHL ready as a UFA out of college.

Barkey is a player the Flyers are very excited about. He had an excellent Rookie Camp, points in both Rookie Games and made a few good plays in the scrimmages. He's very small and is two years from turning pro but he's a player Jonesy in particular likes: very good wheels, total PITA to play against, always chirping, some offensive upside. He's more of a player to watch come 2005-06 or 2006-07 but they really like him and see him as a potential top nine NHL forward someday.

My hope is that the Flyers move away from antiquated and obsolete player development strategies and modernize their methods. Don't know if that can happen with Tortorella coaching.
- MJL

What strategies do they currently use? What organization would you have them model after and please explain in detail the strategies they use. What does torts have to do with the organizational strategies? Elaborate

Matt Brown has had a good camp, and is likely to get an AHL contract with the Phantoms. Kind of a player in the Matt Read mold, although Read was more versatile and NHL ready as a UFA out of college.

Barkey is a player the Flyers are very excited about. He had an excellent Rookie Camp, points in both Rookie Games and made a few good plays in the scrimmages. He's very small and is two years from turning pro but he's a player Jonesy in particular likes: very good wheels, total PITA to play against, always chirping, some offensive upside. He's more of a player to watch come 2005-06 or 2006-07 but they really like him and see him as a potential top nine NHL forward someday.
- bmeltzer

Thanks Bill

How are the two guys with Foerester?
- ClaudeFather

Sure they are looking at brink, but would’ve like Tyson with coots and bee

Projected Flyers lineup:

Joel Farabee - Sean Couturier - Bobby Brink
Olle Lycksell - Morgan Frost - Cam Atkinson
Matt Brown - Denver Barkey - Tyson Foerster
Brendan Furry - Elliot Desnoyers - Samu Tuomaala

Cam York - Sean Walker
Emil Andrae - Helge Grans
Nick Seeler - Oliver Bonk

Cal Petersen (1st and 2nd periods)
Felix Sandström (3rd period)


Projected Devils game group versus the Flyers:

FORWARDS
Alexander Holtz
Brian Halonen
Erik Haula
Jesper Bratt
Josh Filmon
Michael McLeod
Nico Hischier
Ondrej Palat
Ryan Schmelzer
Shane Bowers
Timo Meier
Tyce Thompson

DEFENSEMEN
Brendan Smith
Cal Foote
Daniil Misyul
Dougie Hamilton
Kevin Bahl
Santeri Hatakka

GOALIES
Vitek Vanecek
Erik Källgren
- bmeltzer

This is the best possible roster the coaching staff could have chosen to start things off in my opinion. These are exactly the guys I wanted to see.

Matt Brown has had a good camp, and is likely to get an AHL contract with the Phantoms. Kind of a player in the Matt Read mold, although Read was more versatile and NHL ready as a UFA out of college.

Barkey is a player the Flyers are very excited about. He had an excellent Rookie Camp, points in both Rookie Games and made a few good plays in the scrimmages. He's very small and is two years from turning pro but he's a player Jonesy in particular likes: very good wheels, total PITA to play against, always chirping, some offensive upside. He's more of a player to watch come 2005-06 or 2006-07 but they really like him and see him as a potential top nine NHL forward someday.
- bmeltzer

Excellent. Do you get to watch the game? And guessing you mean 2025-26?

I'm probably being a tad generous but like a Vincent Trocheck. 2nd line dude. Kinda can kill penalties.
- Pelle31Forever

Well we know Frost doesn’t do much of this. We know Morgan Frost is likely not going to transform into our next version of Peter Forsberg or Claude Giroux but he’s probably our most important forwards in terms of making plays. I was thinking something along the lines of Marc Savard before his career ending injury.

Not a knock on Frost or Savard.

Well we know Frost doesn’t do much of this. We know Morgan Frost is likely not going to transfer into our next version of Peter Forsberg or Claude Giroux but he’s probably our most important forwards in terms of making plays. I was thinking something along the lines of Marc Savard before his career ending injury.

Not a knock on Frost or Savard.
- SuperSchennBros

he did in juniors and LHV