If Frost is soft, what is Farabee?
- Tomahawk

You can’t be serious. Let’s just take a look at who they’ve dropped gloves with.

What young, upcoming coach do you recommend?
- black_francis

Halpern, and Nelson are names if I am doing a quick uneducated search.

I would have said Carbery but didn’t realize someone jumped at him already.

Why the fear in moving away from Tortorella, what positives do you see in the man?

Isn’t it funny when a coach so willingly becomes the face of a franchise?

Then better yet how so many line up to eat the bullpoop he dishes out?

Tortorella is a one trick pony. He knows how to play Babcock like games to intimidate his players. Effort only goes so far, and effort is the only thing he knows.

He’s an embarrassment for a franchise in 2023, but I am sure the old guard/alumni just love someone that can bring back those Bob Clarke glory days.

The day John is fired will be a good day for the Flyers, if he hasn’t cemented himself into an advisor role.
- FlyerFan3260

Yeah, um, I would take that over the crap we've watched the last half decade or more at this point.

Yeah, um, I would take that over the crap we've watched the last half decade or more at this point.
- hockeylover

I wouldn’t. It’s pathetic, and outdated hockey.

The reason why we have watched trash hockey for the last decade is the people from that era having far too much influence, refusing to rebuild, and refusing to adapt to the changing NHL.

The old guard is a problem, no matter how much I cheered for them at one time. The Flyer family has operated in a country club atmosphere, and without accountability for too long.

They doubled down on it with the hires this summer. Seems Comcast did not learn their lesson.

Halpern, and Nelson are names if I am doing a quick uneducated search.

I would have said Carbery but didn’t realize someone jumped at him already.

Why the fear in moving away from Tortorella, what positives do you see in the man?
- FlyerFan3260

Rickard Gronberg was one that I like that was bandied about around here back during the coaching search. But I wonder if he'll ever make the jump from Europe. Would love to have a crack at David Carle (brother of Matt Carle) if he ever leaves Denver. His resume speaks for itself there, but also worked under Jim Montgomery, selected to coach the US team at the upcoming World Junior Championships and is obviously familiar with Brink and now Rizzo.

One thing to watch with Foerster is how hungry is he for the puck. At times he just doesn't look to be moving his feet and getting himself open. He also is not driving the play enough for me. Right now unless I see a lot of improvement from him in these next few pre-season games, I would give him the Cam York treatment and send him down to the AHL to work on these things.

To be fair I also have a criticism of Torts. What is it with him now? Is he too good or too busy with his dogs to coach a pre-season game? Wouldn't it be good for the younger prospects to start to get used to how Torts coaches and see more in game what he likes and doesn't like?

Frost outscored Tippett over a 5 month period but he's not at the same level. Your bias continues to rear its ugly head. Both are pretty equal offensively to this point. I give Frost a slight edge as an overall player. Frost is better away from the puck.
- MJL

IMO Tippet is much more noticable out there than Frost. He drives plays a lot more and at times completely dominated games. I don't see this same level from Frost. I think Tippet's offensive ceiling is much higher, but he too has struggled with consistency.

To be fair I also have a criticism of Torts. What is it with him now? Is he too good or too busy with his dogs to coach a pre-season game? Wouldn't it be good for the younger prospects to start to get used to how Torts coaches and see more in game what he likes and doesn't like?
- jd250

or, one of the assistant coaches. Why the Phantom's coach?

Rickard Gronberg was one that I like that was bandied about around here back during the coaching search. But I wonder if he'll ever make the jump from Europe. Would love to have a crack at David Carle (brother of Matt Carle) if he ever leaves Denver. His resume speaks for itself there, but also worked under Jim Montgomery, selected to coach the US team at the upcoming World Junior Championships and is obviously familiar with Brink and now Rizzo.
- TobyFlenderson

This team needs to start pulling successful people from outside organizations. With the financial leverage Comcast has there is no excuse for them to not actively be poaching talent.

Of course it’s far more likely that they hand the job to Lappy, or Brad Shaw because it’s the Flyer family way.

If Frost is soft, what is Farabee?
- Tomahawk

I'm not a Farabee fan either. I think Fletcher completely overreacted to Farabee's 20 goal season and was premature in signing him to a big contract. I don't see it with Farabee, I never did and I still don't.

This team needs to start pulling successful people from outside organizations. With the financial leverage Comcast has there is no excuse for them to not actively be poaching talent.

Of course it’s far more likely that they hand the job to Lappy, or Brad Shaw because it’s the Flyer family way.
- FlyerFan3260

this 100%. they should in theory have one of the tops in scouting and development. Home and abroad.

I am at the point it is much more enjoyable to watch them lose then win.

This team needs to start pulling successful people from outside organizations. With the financial leverage Comcast has there is no excuse for them to not actively be poaching talent.

Of course it’s far more likely that they hand the job to Lappy, or Brad Shaw because it’s the Flyer family way.
- FlyerFan3260

I really really really hope that Lappy is not the succession plan if Torts is fired, retires or moves into an advisory role before his contract is up. That dude has held so many hats for this organization and I cannot say he has actively excelled at any of them. Look at last year's Phantoms team. Probably the most talented team they've had in years and yet they could not secure home ice advantage down the stretch and then got knocked out of the playoffs after winning the first game in a best of 3.

this 100%. they should in theory have one of the tops in scouting and development. Home and abroad.

I am at the point it is much more enjoyable to watch them lose then win.
- hello it's me 2050

The search pool is so shallow.

Friends of a Flyer, or a former Flyer. Suggested by the old guard.

Yes there are exceptions here, and there but this organization is oozing nepotism. I can’t understand why Comcast hasn’t addressed the issue, but I suppose they fear the backlash from spitting in the faces of men that have been around for a long time.

Even if it’s warranted.

Thanks, Bill, for your candor. It's why you're always worth reading.
Other writers just sound like chatgpt cannibalizing what's already out there.

I'm not a Farabee fan either. I think Fletcher completely overreacted to Farabee's 20 goal season and was premature in signing him to a big contract. I don't see it with Farabee, I never did and I still don't.
- jd250

If this is your assessment it means the kid is destined to be a star

I really really really hope that Lappy is not the succession plan if Torts is fired, retires or moves into an advisory role before his contract is up. That dude has held so many hats for this organization and I cannot say he has actively excelled at any of them. Look at last year's Phantoms team. Probably the most talented team they've had in years and yet they could not secure home ice advantage down the stretch and then got knocked out of the playoffs after winning the first game in a best of 3.
- TobyFlenderson

I do. My guess it is shaw or Rocky.

Hell he doesnt even have cement head employ the same system he runs. That makes so much sense.

I'm not a Farabee fan either. I think Fletcher completely overreacted to Farabee's 20 goal season and was premature in signing him to a big contract. I don't see it with Farabee, I never did and I still don't.
- jd250

One interesting thing to think about, is development vs regression. Of course injuries are a definite factor, but let me throw some names out.

Think about how they started off, and where they are based off of the Flyers coaching/development machine.

Phil Myers, Farabee, Wade Allison, Ghost, and Provorov. One cannot tell me we didn’t see regression from basically every player as time went on.

They are currently Richarding around Frost, and York. The two most talented youngsters. Don’t let yourself believe that’s not by design.

The only players who have risen above expectations are who exactly? Definitely not Sanheim who hasn’t been able to beg enough for PP time in his career it seems.

Konecny, and Tortorella’s obsession with Noah Cates? A mighty short list.

Blaming the players is such a lazy excuse for the lack of talent on the team. The Flyers have shown continuously that without being able to rely on FA, or trades they are lacking.

Hell, Couturier is noted to have had to ask for a bigger offensive role, and we know the constant juggling that was done to Brayden Schenn.

Maybe it’s not that the kids are entitled, or lazy. Maybe it’s not that they just need to try harder.

One interesting thing to think about, is development vs regression. Of course injuries are a definite factor, but let me throw some names out.

Think about how they started off, and where they are based off of the Flyers coaching/development machine.

Phil Myers, Farabee, Wade Allison, Ghost, and Provorov. One cannot tell me we didn’t see regression from basically every player as time went on.

They are currently Richarding around Frost, and York. The two most talented youngsters. Don’t let yourself believe that’s not by design.

The only players who have risen above expectations are who exactly? Definitely not Sanheim who hasn’t been able to beg enough for PP time in his career it seems.

Konecny, and Tortorella’s obsession with Noah Cates? A mighty short list.

Blaming the players is such a lazy excuse for the lack of talent on the team. The Flyers have shown continuously that without being able to rely on FA, or trades they are lacking.

Hell, Couturier is noted to have had to ask for a bigger offensive role, and we know the constant juggling that was done to Brayden Schenn.

Maybe it’s not that the kids are entitled, or lazy. Maybe it’s not that they just need to try harder.
- FlyerFan3260

You have players listed from past regimes here, frost/Tippett/cates all just had positive progress. TK a great year. Allison shouldn’t be mentioned anywhere, guy is nonstop hurt. York was handled fine. This is an absurd post. I’ll agree that Frost gets the short end of the stick but that’s it. Farabee coming off major injury. Sanheim shouldn’t sniff a Pp unit
And Myers 😂 he’s a project that didn’t pan out

Is it just me or has this site been crashing quite often lately?

Is it just me or has this site been crashing quite often lately?
- MBFlyerfan

Oh yea, shut down for hours on end

IMO Tippet is much more noticable out there than Frost. He drives plays a lot more and at times completely dominated games. I don't see this same level from Frost. I think Tippet's offensive ceiling is much higher, but he too has struggled with consistency.
- jd250

I was already aware that it was about what you see rather than the actual reality. Which is though one is more goal scorer and the other more playmaker, in terms of offensive potential, they're very similar.

I'm not a Farabee fan either. I think Fletcher completely overreacted to Farabee's 20 goal season and was premature in signing him to a big contract. I don't see it with Farabee, I never did and I still don't.
- jd250

I certainly think a case can be made that the contract and the gamble on Farabee has not worked out as well as had been hoped to this point. That said, not sure what it takes. Clearly a skilled and talented player that just needs to stay healthy.

You have players listed from past regimes here, frost/Tippett/cates all just had positive progress. TK a great year. Allison shouldn’t be mentioned anywhere, guy is nonstop hurt. York was handled fine. This is an absurd post. I’ll agree that Frost gets the short end of the stick but that’s it. Farabee coming off major injury. Sanheim shouldn’t sniff a Pp unit
And Myers 😂 he’s a project that didn’t pan out
- ClaudeFather

Past regimes.

Can I ask what other than a GM being removed makes you think those regimes are different? Who else was removed?

Look at who they hired this summer, before thinking of answering that question as well.

You have players listed from past regimes here, frost/Tippett/cates all just had positive progress. TK a great year. Allison shouldn’t be mentioned anywhere, guy is nonstop hurt. York was handled fine. This is an absurd post. I’ll agree that Frost gets the short end of the stick but that’s it. Farabee coming off major injury. Sanheim shouldn’t sniff a Pp unit
And Myers 😂 he’s a project that didn’t pan out
- ClaudeFather

Actually his post is an excellent post and details the issues that the Flyers have had and still continue to have. You can argue that with a new GM, hopefully things will change but for myself. They have to prove it. The Flyers are and have been one of the worst player development teams in the NHL.