Past regimes.

Can I ask what other than a GM being removed makes you think those regimes are different? Who else was removed?

Look at who they hired this summer, before thinking of answering that question as well.
- FlyerFan3260

I really think the prospect pool for the flyers over the years was drastically over hyped. Of those guys you mentioned, anyone with real potential has shown that and become an NHL regular. This isn’t a developmental issue, it’s a talent issue. The development is 90% on the player, the team isn’t holding their hand back in junior or college.

Actually his post is an excellent post and details the issues that the Flyers have had and still continue to have. You can argue that with a new GM, hopefully things will change but for myself. They have to prove it. The Flyers are and have been one of the worst player development teams in the NHL.
- MJL

TK frost Cates Tippett Farabee Sanheim all seem to be doing fine , all younger players
York as well

I really think the prospect pool for the flyers over the years was drastically over hyped. Of those guys you mentioned, anyone with real potential has shown that and become an NHL regular. This isn’t a developmental issue, it’s a talent issue. The development is 90% on the player, the team isn’t holding their hand back in junior or college.
- ClaudeFather

Okay, let’s say we go along with this train of thought. If we are putting it on the players selected.

What changes to the scouting department have there been in the last decade, outside of firing the GM.

Remember, Flahr himself somehow remains.

Okay, let’s say we go along with this train of thought. If we are putting it on the players selected.

What changes to the scouting department have there been in the last decade, outside of firing the GM.

Remember, Flahr himself somehow remains.
- FlyerFan3260

I have no issue with blaming management for poor selections. But to just call it a development issue is incorrect . The entire staff should have been overhauled, they been terrible for years

You have players listed from past regimes here, frost/Tippett/cates all just had positive progress. TK a great year. Allison shouldn’t be mentioned anywhere, guy is nonstop hurt. York was handled fine. This is an absurd post. I’ll agree that Frost gets the short end of the stick but that’s it. Farabee coming off major injury. Sanheim shouldn’t sniff a Pp unit
And Myers 😂 he’s a project that didn’t pan out
- ClaudeFather

for all the torts hate, seems like more prospects took positive steps forward. this is hard or can't be said about previous years..

TK frost Cates Tippett Farabee Sanheim all seem to be doing fine , all younger players
York as well
- ClaudeFather

I’m not sure how you can say that Farabee hasn’t regressed. Even if we account for injuries.

Or how you can state they developed Sanheim(now a veteran), York, and Frost properly to this point.

Will concede on TK, and Cates doing well. Above expectations even, although Konecny was toyed with early on.

Provorov, Ghost, NAK, and Myers are stark examples of what I am trying to illustrate.

To just blame the players is frankly lazy analysis. Similar to saying they just need to try harder, or be mentally tougher.

I’m not sure how you can say that Farabee hasn’t regressed. Even if we account for injuries.

Or how you can state they developed Sanheim(now a veteran), York, and Frost properly to this point.

Will concede on TK, and Cates doing well. Above expectations even, although Konecny was toyed with early on.

Provorov, Ghost, NAK, and Myers are stark examples of what I am trying to illustrate.

To just blame the players is frankly lazy analysis. Similar to saying they just need to try harder, or be mentally tougher.
- FlyerFan3260

Sanheim has turned into a solid middle pairing Dman, he shouldn’t be anywhere near a PP, not sure what you’re talking about. Frost, has received tough love for sure but he’s fought through. York was handled properly, this has been beaten to death. NAK and Myers ? You got to be kidding me haha. Ghost was injured, he came a more polished product, yoi could aregue he wasn’t used correctly towards the end of Flyer career. Provy, he’s the number 1 on a real bad team with bad partners, time to send him off.

for all the torts hate, seems like more prospects took positive steps forward. this is hard or can't be said about previous years..
- Peter Richards

Good players figure it out, ice time helps with a lot of these guys right, but it all comes down to the player.

Halpern, and Nelson are names if I am doing a quick uneducated search.

I would have said Carbery but didn’t realize someone jumped at him already.

Why the fear in moving away from Tortorella, what positives do you see in the man?
- FlyerFan3260

Who said I’m afraid of moving on from Torts? I’d give a guy like Shaun Clouston a shot.

There are things I don’t like about Torts like OT usage but I like his honest assessments of players and think he’s been accurate for the most part. I agree with where he stands on guys like Hayes, Deangelo, Sanheim and Frost. He’s a little too honest to the media - but he’s not wrong on those guys imo.

People say he’s gone easy on guys like Tippett. But I remember him challenging him early on, saying “I don’t know what you are.. are you a banger? A scorer? I don’t know but you’ve got to figure it out and execute” and I think Tippett rose to the occasion.

Good players figure it out, ice time helps with a lot of these guys right, but it all comes down to the player.
- ClaudeFather

right, like how nashville was supposed to fix Myers..oh no, i mean how smart tampa was for signing him, wait a sec.

right, like how nashville was supposed to fix Myers..oh no, i mean how smart tampa was for signing him, wait a sec.
- Peter Richards

Their argument will be the flyers ruined him beyond repair 😂

I haven’t paid much attention, because this team isn’t worthy of anyone’s time.

Atkinson is injured already? Can’t make it up. How is Ellis progressing?
- PLindbergh31

😆 This is the reality in flyers "Greyhound Day" world. Buckle up! Looking at flyers prospects, this project may take longer than bold Jonsey predicted.

Is it just me or has this site been crashing quite often lately?
- MBFlyerfan

Frost broke the internet

Their argument will be the flyers ruined him beyond repair 😂
- ClaudeFather

Almost as good a defending the Flyers development system

Or the Flyer family that's done a great job of sinking the team to keep their beloved "identity" alive

And here we go again.

First Atkinson will be day to day with a mild LBI

Then it will be, he’s gearing up to be ready for opening night

Followed by he’s gonna be out a few more weeks with an undisclosed injury

And finally, out indefinitely with a still undisclosed injury.

Lather, rinse, repeat…
- BiggE

https://m.youtube.com/wat...yZSB3ZSBnbyBhZ2Fpbg%3D%3D

To be fair I also have a criticism of Torts. What is it with him now? Is he too good or too busy with his dogs to coach a pre-season game? Wouldn't it be good for the younger prospects to start to get used to how Torts coaches and see more in game what he likes and doesn't like?
- jd250

He was watching from above with the other coaches. Does it really matter if college kids, players on PTO and AHL players who aren't going to make the team have Torts behind the bench?

Actually his post is an excellent post and details the issues that the Flyers have had and still continue to have. You can argue that with a new GM, hopefully things will change but for myself. They have to prove it. The Flyers are and have been one of the worst player development teams in the NHL.
- MJL

Any facts to back this up Cliff? what criteria are using to make this claim? Where do they rana against other teams and what are you using to rank them. Look forward to your response

A piss-poor preseason game, which is definitely was, is no more or less than that. The whole team was lousy. Frost was among the worst culprits last night. He still took big positive steps over the final 2/3 of last season. And he was the best offensive player in Sunday's two scrimmages played by Team C (not that it meant much, either).

I just get tired of the double standards.

Farabee is coming off a rough year last season, for various reasons, and didn't have so much as an "assist" (such as goals and assists matter in those circumstances) in the four scrimmages. With the Flyers getting shut out last night, he obviously didn't score. Even so, it was a step in the right direction albeit quietly.

Tippett had 0G, 1A in the scrimmages and was a non-factor in three of them. Of his 27 goals last year, 16 were against bottom-feeder clubs (same thing Frost gets questioned for).

So I won't say Frost doesn't deserve flak four his early camp so far. He does (Sunday scrimmages aside). Hell, I went into the many things I didn't like about his play last night in today's blog. But let's not blow it out of proportion.
- bmeltzer

A historical bad preseason game in my book. 📖

Any facts to back this up Cliff? what criteria are using to make this claim? Where do they rana against other teams and what are you using to rank them. Look forward to your response
- hello it's me 2050

I'll make this as.. let's say simple.

My son mentioned the other day, how many Flyers would have been chosen lets say in last season's, or this year in terms of a fantasy draft.

The league has a lot of talent, the Flyers do very little to contribute to that pool. This isn't some new trend. High end talent, at best only trickles out of Philadelphia.

I’m not sure how you can say that Farabee hasn’t regressed. Even if we account for injuries.

Or how you can state they developed Sanheim(now a veteran), York, and Frost properly to this point.

Will concede on TK, and Cates doing well. Above expectations even, although Konecny was toyed with early on.

Provorov, Ghost, NAK, and Myers are stark examples of what I am trying to illustrate.

To just blame the players is frankly lazy analysis. Similar to saying they just need to try harder, or be mentally tougher.
- FlyerFan3260

just to blame the flyers is equally lazy.

Myers stinks and that is not the flyers fault. NAK is a fringe NHL player who has bounced around. No great shakes letting either go. Ghost is the only one who was moved that has gone on to be productive elsewhere.

Seeler has turned into a solid bottom pair guy. Do the flyers get any credit for turning him into an NHL player?

The secrecy re the injuries is comical. The only thing harder to find than an accurate Flyers injury report is Epstein’s client list.
- BiggE

😆 please don't go there.

I'll make this as.. let's say simple.

My son mentioned the other day, how many Flyers would have been chosen lets say in last season's, or this year in terms of a fantasy draft.

The league has a lot of talent, the Flyers do very little to contribute to that pool. This isn't some new trend. High end talent, at best only trickles out of Philadelphia.
- FlyerFan3260

last couple years, no, last 15, completely disagree.

I do enjoy Bill in particular calling out Torts.

He’s been handed far too much power, and is a fraud of a HC. Terrible hire I am sure encouraged by those wanting to keep an antiquated identity alive.

Charlatan.
- FlyerFan3260

Let's see how long the Torts show can take away attention from poor performances.

I'll make this as.. let's say simple.

My son mentioned the other day, how many Flyers would have been chosen lets say in last season's, or this year in terms of a fantasy draft.

The league has a lot of talent, the Flyers do very little to contribute to that pool. This isn't some new trend. High end talent, at best only trickles out of Philadelphia.
- FlyerFan3260

none of that has anything to do with what I asked Cliff. Your now identifying just high end talent.

Now if you want to say the flyers do not draft/develop high end talent by all means have that conversation.

It is not as simple as saying it is all development. IMO it is more drafting. As none of these plyers go elsewhere and become nhl players.

I'll make this as.. let's say simple.

My son mentioned the other day, how many Flyers would have been chosen lets say in last season's, or this year in terms of a fantasy draft.

The league has a lot of talent, the Flyers do very little to contribute to that pool. This isn't some new trend. High end talent, at best only trickles out of Philadelphia.
- FlyerFan3260

This is your example 😂 that’s a lack of talent bud