This is your example 😂 that’s a lack of talent bud
- ClaudeFather

What you are arguing, is that it’s on the player but not on the team for failing to extract the best out of them.

If you wish to defend their development, by all means.

What you are arguing, is that it’s on the player but not on the team for failing to extract the best out of them.

If you wish to defend their development, by all means.
- FlyerFan3260

I’m arguing it’s monumentally on the player and a small part the organization. What you are pointing out is the lack of true talent the flyers have. Did they not just get the most out of Tippett cates TK Frost this past season?

What you are arguing, is that it’s on the player but not on the team for failing to extract the best out of them.

If you wish to defend their development, by all means.
- FlyerFan3260

as i was curious what rate made it to the nhl after draft here is an article that has the information detailed.

https://dobberprospects.c...%20only%2034%20per%20cent.

a lot fans overvalue draft picks and believe the hype about the pick.

What are we arguing? Player vs development?

Case by case. We just saw Torts express that he needs more progression from a player like Morgan Frost for example, which I don’t think is unfair. We just saw Frost’s complete level last night, which I’m not sure a development staff can develop a player’s willingness to find another gear. I am by no means a Frost hater but getting hurt for an entire season back in 2020-21 seems to be a get out of jail card for him. He missed an entire season, so that’s an entire year of development lost. Farabee’s neck surgery, the same. These could be a valid arguments but you also don’t want it to become a crutch.

Since player development is mostly on the players, teams should be falling all over themselves to cut player development staff.

Would save a bundle!

Since player development is mostly on the players, teams should be falling all over themselves to cut player development staff.

Would save a bundle!
- StepfordSam

A lot of player development work isn’t Xs and Os, it’s diet, preparation, work outs, conducting yourself as a professional.

I really think the prospect pool for the flyers over the years was drastically over hyped. Of those guys you mentioned, anyone with real potential has shown that and become an NHL regular. This isn’t a developmental issue, it’s a talent issue. The development is 90% on the player, the team isn’t holding their hand back in junior or college.
- ClaudeFather

It might be 90% on the player for high first round picks but for later picks and project players it's not. In my opinion, the Flyers rate of successful development far lags behind the level of talent that they have drafted. One of the worst development teams in the NHL over the last decade or longer in my view.

TK frost Cates Tippett Farabee Sanheim all seem to be doing fine , all younger players
York as well
- ClaudeFather

When is the last time the Flyers developed a star player?

Sanheim has turned into a solid middle pairing Dman, he shouldn’t be anywhere near a PP, not sure what you’re talking about. Frost, has received tough love for sure but he’s fought through. York was handled properly, this has been beaten to death. NAK and Myers ? You got to be kidding me haha. Ghost was injured, he came a more polished product, yoi could aregue he wasn’t used correctly towards the end of Flyer career. Provy, he’s the number 1 on a real bad team with bad partners, time to send him off.
- ClaudeFather

I disagree that Sanheim shouldn't be anywhere near the PP. How do you know that. Both York and Frost have been improperly handled. The Flyers destroyed Myers. Provorov was also mishandled through most of his career.

All is well, Frost intentionally played poorly, figured Torts would want to trade him after he signed, figured he lower his value

It might be 90% on the player for high first round picks but for later picks and project players it's not. In my opinion, the Flyers rate of successful development far lags behind the level of talent that they have drafted. One of the worst development teams in the NHL over the last decade or longer in my view.
- MJL

Well at least now it is your opinion/view since you have zero proof to back it up compared to other teams.

Go do some homework and report back. Take the 2009 to 2019 draft classes. How many have the flyers put in the nhl with say over 100 games played. Then compare to other teams. Then we can have the definitive conversation.

I disagree that Sanheim shouldn't be anywhere near the PP. How do you know that. Both York and Frost have been improperly handled. The Flyers destroyed Myers. Provorov was also mishandled through most of his career.
- MJL

How do you know he should? Are you there seeing the practices? How many coaches have passed him over for PP? I guess they all could be wrong.

York has not been mishandled no matter how many times you say it. Frost one can at least make an argument

Who mishandled Ivan from jump street?

Flyers destroyed Myers lol. Had a solid small sample size is all. Take a walk with that nonsense. AV said several times he just doesn't get it.If he was any good the 2 teams he has played for since would have been able to turn him into at least a bottom pair guy. So far they have not.

When is the last time the Flyers developed a star player?
- MJL

when was the last time they drafted a star player?

When is the last time the Flyers developed a star player?
- MJL

You don’t develop a star player man, you draft one

when was the last time they drafted a star player?
- hello it's me 2050

Couturier. He was a "star" for 3-4 seasons.

You don’t develop a star player man, you draft one
- ClaudeFather

That's not correct man

A lot of player development work isn’t Xs and Os, it’s diet, preparation, work outs, conducting yourself as a professional.
- ClaudeFather

Sounds like something that can be outsourced. A weekend session of power point slides should cover that.

I disagree that Sanheim shouldn't be anywhere near the PP. How do you know that. Both York and Frost have been improperly handled. The Flyers destroyed Myers. Provorov was also mishandled through most of his career.
- MJL

Will you PLEASE stop with the crap that the Flyers destroyed Myers! I'm begging at this point! You just won't let sh!t go! The guy doesn't have an NHL hockey IQ. He's big and he can skate...that doesn't get you a ticket into the NHL ranks. How many teams has he failed with now? York is fine and Frost is getting his chance now. Please stop with these overcooked agendas. Provorov? In what way was he mishandled? Thanks!

I get a laugh at the defending of this thing.

Have we seen the results since 2010?

I get a laugh at the defending of this thing.

Have we seen the results since 2010?
- FlyerFan3260

dont confuse not agreeing with you as defending.

A piss-poor preseason game, which is definitely was, is no more or less than that. The whole team was lousy. Frost was among the worst culprits last night. He still took big positive steps over the final 2/3 of last season. And he was the best offensive player in Sunday's two scrimmages played by Team C (not that it meant much, either).

I just get tired of the double standards.

Farabee is coming off a rough year last season, for various reasons, and didn't have so much as an "assist" (such as goals and assists matter in those circumstances) in the four scrimmages. With the Flyers getting shut out last night, he obviously didn't score. Even so, it was a step in the right direction albeit quietly.

Tippett had 0G, 1A in the scrimmages and was a non-factor in three of them. Of his 27 goals last year, 16 were against bottom-feeder clubs (same thing Frost gets questioned for).

So I won't say Frost doesn't deserve flak four his early camp so far. He does (Sunday scrimmages aside). Hell, I went into the many things I didn't like about his play last night in today's blog. But let's not blow it out of proportion.
- bmeltzer

Mackie Sameskevich will be the superior player

https://twitter.com/NFLRo...3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue

it's worth it more to talk about the eagles

Couturier. He was a "star" for 3-4 seasons.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

ex-selke ex-star

Is it just me or has this site been crashing quite often lately?
- MBFlyerfan

I keep thinking that my prayers of this site being put out of its misery have been answered

Will you PLEASE stop with the crap that the Flyers destroyed Myers! I'm begging at this point! You just won't let sh!t go! The guy doesn't have an NHL hockey IQ. He's big and he can skate...that doesn't get you a ticket into the NHL ranks. How many teams has he failed with now? York is fine and Frost is getting his chance now. Please stop with these overcooked agendas. Provorov? In what way was he mishandled? Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Will you PLEASE stop acting like a child!

Myers worked his way from an undrafted UFA, through the AHL and made it to the NHL. Apparently he did have a ticket. Including playing a very solid and promising season of 50 NHL games in the 19/20 NHL season. With no mention whatsoever of Myers having a hockey IQ issue. Apparently he contracted it somewhere along the way like a virus. Too bad there was no vaccine

Both York and Frost were mishandled. Frost in particular would be further along in my opinion if he was handled better.

Not many 19 year old defenseman are tasked with having to be the teams all situations #1 defenseman. Most young defenseman break in playing on a lesser pairing with veterans to help shield them while they develop into a top role.