Will you PLEASE stop acting like a child!

Myers worked his way from an undrafted UFA, through the AHL and made it to the NHL. Apparently he did have a ticket. Including playing a very solid and promising season of 50 NHL games in the 19/20 NHL season. With no mention whatsoever of Myers having a hockey IQ issue. Apparently he contracted it somewhere along the way like a virus. Too bad there was no vaccine

Both York and Frost were mishandled. Frost in particular would be further along in my opinion if he was handled better.

Not many 19 year old defenseman are tasked with having to be the teams all situations #1 defenseman. Most young defenseman break in playing on a lesser pairing with veterans to help shield them while they develop into a top role.
- MJL

Maybe you need to rethink your sample sizes bub

Will you PLEASE stop with the crap that the Flyers destroyed Myers! I'm begging at this point! You just won't let sh!t go! The guy doesn't have an NHL hockey IQ. He's big and he can skate...that doesn't get you a ticket into the NHL ranks. How many teams has he failed with now? York is fine and Frost is getting his chance now. Please stop with these overcooked agendas. Provorov? In what way was he mishandled? Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Sad with Myers. He had visible siZe and speed. ⛸️ Bill said he lacked tactical hockey iq? Or something like that.

Maybe you need to rethink your sample sizes bub
- ClaudeFather

Maybe you need to think in the first place bub

The sample size used for Myers is 180 professional games. One would think that any hockey IQ issue would surface in that amount of games. That description of Myers did not exist in that period of games.

What else do you got bub?

One interesting thing to think about, is development vs regression. Of course injuries are a definite factor, but let me throw some names out.

Think about how they started off, and where they are based off of the Flyers coaching/development machine.

Phil Myers, Farabee, Wade Allison, Ghost, and Provorov. One cannot tell me we didn’t see regression from basically every player as time went on.

They are currently Richarding around Frost, and York. The two most talented youngsters. Don’t let yourself believe that’s not by design.

The only players who have risen above expectations are who exactly? Definitely not Sanheim who hasn’t been able to beg enough for PP time in his career it seems.

Konecny, and Tortorella’s obsession with Noah Cates? A mighty short list.

Blaming the players is such a lazy excuse for the lack of talent on the team. The Flyers have shown continuously that without being able to rely on FA, or trades they are lacking.

Hell, Couturier is noted to have had to ask for a bigger offensive role, and we know the constant juggling that was done to Brayden Schenn.

Maybe it’s not that the kids are entitled, or lazy. Maybe it’s not that they just need to try harder.
- FlyerFan3260

Yes, well its clear the Flyers were not developing their younger players well and that is why there were a lot of changes to the staff this off season. Phil Myers was rushed into things, there is no other way to put it. He was a victim of the fallout of Niskanen retiring unexpectedly. Farabee showed signs early but was on the road to regression when his neck injury popped up. Wade Allison clearly has been hampered by the fact that he can't stay on the ice. In his case I do question his seriousness around conditioning early on in his career. Ghost wass/is an offensive defenseman like Gustafsson. If you expect them or need them to play defense you are in trouble. With Provorov I think his problem is the Flyers were looking for him to be Cale Makar or Miro Heiskanen and he just isn't that type of player. I feel they played him way too many minutes in all situations and it hurt him. I also think he thought he was better than he was.

You know what I think of Frost, and with York at least they are putting him back on his left side so it appears they are trying to be patient and develop him. Sanheim has regressed, there is no other way to say it. He had one good offensive season but has since gone down hill. I think Sanheim has been given every opportunity to succeed and has not been over-used, so I put this more on him than the team.

Will you PLEASE stop acting like a child!

Myers worked his way from an undrafted UFA, through the AHL and made it to the NHL. Apparently he did have a ticket. Including playing a very solid and promising season of 50 NHL games in the 19/20 NHL season. With no mention whatsoever of Myers having a hockey IQ issue. Apparently he contracted it somewhere along the way like a virus. Too bad there was no vaccine

Both York and Frost were mishandled. Frost in particular would be further along in my opinion if he was handled better.

Not many 19 year old defenseman are tasked with having to be the teams all situations #1 defenseman. Most young defenseman break in playing on a lesser pairing with veterans to help shield them while they develop into a top role.
- MJL

flyers didn't ruin myers nor was york mishandled. More nonsense from you.

In bold, Saint Ronnie had andy Mac (top pair dman you said) with Ivan so what you talking about? So funny how it is only somewhat recenet you have said Ivan was mishandled. Your dad schat the bed on that one.

He was watching from above with the other coaches. Does it really matter if college kids, players on PTO and AHL players who aren't going to make the team have Torts behind the bench?
- WhiskeyMan

So we are saying the college and AHL players have no chance of playing for the Flyers in the near future? If so, why keep them around and waste money on them?

Both York and Frost were mishandled. Frost in particular would be further along in my opinion if he was handled better.

- MJL

I'm all for testing your theory by trading Frost and seeing how he does on another team ...

Maybe you need to think in the first place bub

The sample size used for Myers is 180 professional games. One would think that any hockey IQ issue would surface in that amount of games. That description of Myers did not exist in that period of games.

What else do you got bub?
- MJL

Wasn’t I one of the first ones calling out his hockey IQ issues and you telling me I had no idea what I was talking about 🧐

I'm all for testing your theory by trading Frost and seeing how he does on another team ...
- jd250

if he doesnt produce it will be because the flyers ruined him.

flyers didn't ruin myers nor was york mishandled. More nonsense from you.

In bold, Saint Ronnie had andy Mac (top pair dman you said) with Ivan so what you talking about? So funny how it is only somewhat recenet you have said Ivan was mishandled. Your dad schat the bed on that one.
- hello it's me 2050

They made him forget hockey like he hand not been playing for 20 years lol

Maybe you need to think in the first place bub

The sample size used for Myers is 180 professional games. One would think that any hockey IQ issue would surface in that amount of games. That description of Myers did not exist in that period of games.

What else do you got bub?
- MJL

played 115 games for the flyers over 3 seasons. Flyers ruined him lol.

Answer this Cliff. How come all these players the flyers ruined and drafted never went anywhere else and found success?

Phil Myers has seen 3 nhl clubs and has been passed by all of them, including 2 that are known for producing good defenseman.

I can’t believe we are still talking about him. It’s the flyers fault he couldn’t figure it out after he left? Comical!

Yes, well its clear the Flyers were not developing their younger players well and that is why there were a lot of changes to the staff this off season. Phil Myers was rushed into things, there is no other way to put it. He was a victim of the fallout of Niskanen retiring unexpectedly. Farabee showed signs early but was on the road to regression when his neck injury popped up. Wade Allison clearly has been hampered by the fact that he can't stay on the ice. In his case I do question his seriousness around conditioning early on in his career. Ghost wass/is an offensive defenseman like Gustafsson. If you expect them or need them to play defense you are in trouble. With Provorov I think his problem is the Flyers were looking for him to be Cale Makar or Miro Heiskanen and he just isn't that type of player. I feel they played him way too many minutes in all situations and it hurt him. I also think he thought he was better than he was.

You know what I think of Frost, and with York at least they are putting him back on his left side so it appears they are trying to be patient and develop him. Sanheim has regressed, there is no other way to say it. He had one good offensive season but has since gone down hill. I think Sanheim has been given every opportunity to succeed and has not been over-used, so I put this more on him than the team.
- jd250

Sanheim has had 3 solid offensive seasons in his NHL career. What he has had one of is, one subpar season. Sanheim has for the most part, succeeded as a player.

As far as Provorov, actually the strongest part of his game is his ability to play offensively at 5 on 5.

You don’t develop a star player man, you draft one
- ClaudeFather

Claude Giroux is an example of developing a star. He saw some AHL seasoning. Not a lot but some. He also didn’t just step into the league and became an instant star, he had to club the latter.

We might have too many drafted players that saw little to zero AHL seasoning like Gagne, Williams, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Sean Couturier, Luca Sbisa, Ivan Provorov , Travis Konency, Nolan Patrick. They were thrown right into the fire. Just think of what they could have been had the Flyers took their time.

It’s a really good debate.

I'm all for testing your theory by trading Frost and seeing how he does on another team ...
- jd250

How would that test my theory?

Wasn’t I one of the first ones calling out his hockey IQ issues and you telling me I had no idea what I was talking about 🧐
- ClaudeFather

I don't know, were you? Feel free to provide the documentation of that. Not sure how any opinion you might have had at any time, changes anything I posted.

You don’t develop a star player man, you draft one
- ClaudeFather

Im not sure I agree with this. In the first round maybe. But IMO any players drafted in later rounds who become stars is more due to development.

Braydon Point, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Shea Weber etc.

Its not a rule of course, but I think by and large getting a star player out of later rounds has more to do with development than just simply drafting them knowing they will be a star.

Maybe I misread what you meant, and if I did I apologize.

Im not sure I agree with this. In the first round maybe. But IMO any players drafted in later rounds who become stars is more due to development.

Braydon Point, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Shea Weber etc.

Its not a rule of course, but I think by and large getting a star player out of later rounds has more to do with development than just simply drafting them knowing they will be a star.

Maybe I misread what you meant, and if I did I apologize.
- MBFlyerfan

Jason Robertson, Duncan Keith, Tage Thompson. Lots of star players that needed AHL development and coaching

Claude Giroux is an example of developing a star. He saw some AHL seasoning. Not a lot but some. He also didn’t just step into the league and became an instant star, he had to club the latter.

We might have too many drafted players that saw little to zero AHL seasoning like Gagne, Williams, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Sean Couturier, Luca Sbisa, Ivan Provorov , Travis Konency, Nolan Patrick. They were thrown right into the fire. Just think of what they could have been had the Flyers took their time.

It’s a really good debate.
- SuperSchennBros

Giroux became an impact player almost immediately, nice try, maybe next time bud

Im not sure I agree with this. In the first round maybe. But IMO any players drafted in later rounds who become stars is more due to development.

Braydon Point, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Shea Weber etc.

Its not a rule of course, but I think by and large getting a star player out of later rounds has more to do with development than just simply drafting them knowing they will be a star.

Maybe I misread what you meant, and if I did I apologize.
- MBFlyerfan

There was no miracle development here, just players coming into their own. Working their way up through the ranks. You folks really need to get your heads out of the sand. The same people screaming about Frost/York in the AHL are the same ones crying about development.

Jason Robertson, Duncan Keith, Tage Thompson. Lots of star players that needed AHL development and coaching
- MJL

What did each perspective team do to “develop” these players?

Claude Giroux is an example of developing a star. He saw some AHL seasoning. Not a lot but some. He also didn’t just step into the league and became an instant star, he had to club the latter.

We might have too many drafted players that saw little to zero AHL seasoning like Gagne, Williams, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Sean Couturier, Luca Sbisa, Ivan Provorov , Travis Konency, Nolan Patrick. They were thrown right into the fire. Just think of what they could have been had the Flyers took their time.

It’s a really good debate.
- SuperSchennBros

What are you considering a star. And half the players you mentioned had great careers.

Maybe you need to think in the first place bub

The sample size used for Myers is 180 professional games. One would think that any hockey IQ issue would surface in that amount of games. That description of Myers did not exist in that period of games.

What else do you got bub?
- MJL

His hockey iq was exposed in the nhl. His athletic ability is able to hide it at lower levels.

Will you PLEASE stop acting like a child!

Myers worked his way from an undrafted UFA, through the AHL and made it to the NHL. Apparently he did have a ticket. Including playing a very solid and promising season of 50 NHL games in the 19/20 NHL season. With no mention whatsoever of Myers having a hockey IQ issue. Apparently he contracted it somewhere along the way like a virus. Too bad there was no vaccine

Both York and Frost were mishandled. Frost in particular would be further along in my opinion if he was handled better.

Not many 19 year old defenseman are tasked with having to be the teams all situations #1 defenseman. Most young defenseman break in playing on a lesser pairing with veterans to help shield them while they develop into a top role.
- MJL

Wasn’t I one of the first ones calling out his hockey IQ issues and you telling me I had no idea what I was talking about 🧐
- ClaudeFather

As was I. His second season with the flyers after watching him play more.