Wasn't that a thing with Torts in VAN because he chose to live across the border? Guy would just delegate practices and team functions to his assistants so he could stay home lol.
- Tomahawk

https://dailyhive.com/van...hile-coaching-the-canucks

3. Not practicing anything
Forget practicing shootouts, Torts had a problem with practice, period.

Gary Mason recounts:

“The players were unhappy about the amount of practice Tortorella was conducting. To put it a different way – players didn’t think they were practicing enough and that Tortorella took practice seriously enough…

Tortorella has different views about a whole bunch of things, about practicing the power play.

One of the things he did that really struck people as odd – he didn’t look at videotape of the team he was going to be facing.

There are coaches we know that coached in Vancouver that didn’t believe in coaching the power play. Mike Keenan was one of them.”

They didnt give up on Williams - they got a damn good Dman in that trade
- corduroy

If he hadn’t become so good we wouldn’t even be discussing it. In hindsight, you wonder if having Markov as a rental was worth it. At the time I’d have agreed.

The team was frustrated with his mounting injuries and the plateauing of his development at the time. It was a hockey trade for an immediate need, but there was still the aspect of pulling the plug on him as a potential future building block.
- Tomahawk

imo he's a great side piece, not a building block

I was going to add maroon. Williams is a long time ago but I’d add him
- Hextall271

why add williams?

imo he's a great side piece, not a building block
- Peter Richards

Hard disagree.

Not a superstar in terms of pure production, but he was one of the most important players on every team he landed with after the Flyers.

The Markov trade was shortsighted.

why add williams?
- hello it's me 2050

Well you can discount him because he’s so far back. It’s an example of a young player who we traded and went on to great success elsewhere.

Why the heck is Belpedio in the lineup?? We know what he is! This is not his first, or even his second training camp. He is 27 years old, he is what he is. Why waste this opportunity to see a kid you are still trying to learn about??

Hard disagree.

Not a superstar in terms of pure production, but he was one of the most important players on every team he landed with after the Flyers.

The Markov trade was shortsighted.
- Tomahawk

Agree on all counts. We used to be a riverboat gambling franchise hoping we’d spend out of trouble. We haven’t done great since the cap.

Hard disagree.

Not a superstar in terms of pure production, but he was one of the most important players on every team he landed with after the Flyers.

The Markov trade was shortsighted.
- Tomahawk

no it wasn't. flyers had a clear need. They were cup contenders. I bet not one person had an issue with that deal at the time.

The shortsighted move was then trading Danny to Nashville then sign both hatcher and rathje.

Why the heck is Belpedio in the lineup?? We know what he is! This is not his first, or even his second training camp. He is 27 years old, he is what he is. Why waste this opportunity to see a kid you are still trying to learn about??
- jd250

He's a Brent Flahr favorite.

Why the heck is Belpedio in the lineup?? We know what he is! This is not his first, or even his second training camp. He is 27 years old, he is what he is. Why waste this opportunity to see a kid you are still trying to learn about??
- jd250

dont you have to play a certain number of "vets"?

Well you can discount him because he’s so far back. It’s an example of a young player who we traded and went on to great success elsewhere.
- Hextall271

I discount him period as it is not valid. What you cant separate is that was a hockey trade. What he did later doesnt matter. It was a good trade at the time.

They didn't just throw him away or waive him. That was the main argument of your original statement.

why are people still complaining about our line up? we're going to be poop this year use your energy on something else like cheering for the Phillies

Why the heck is Belpedio in the lineup?? We know what he is! This is not his first, or even his second training camp. He is 27 years old, he is what he is. Why waste this opportunity to see a kid you are still trying to learn about??
- jd250

He’s being rewarded for his steady AHL play.

Hard disagree.

Not a superstar in terms of pure production, but he was one of the most important players on every team he landed with after the Flyers.

The Markov trade was shortsighted.
- Tomahawk

Right, but on those teams he was the player added to help push to the top spot, but not the centerpiece.

Agree on all counts. We used to be a riverboat gambling franchise hoping we’d spend out of trouble. We haven’t done great since the cap.
- Hextall271

It's still a front office stuck in a 20th Century mindset.

Right, but on those teams he was the player added to help push to the top spot, but not the centerpiece.
- Peter Richards

Building block =/= centerpiece.

LA and Carolina would have had a hard time winning Cups without him. He was critical in the room and so clutch on the ice. And did ALL the little things.

I discount him period as it is not valid. What you cant separate is that was a hockey trade. What he did later doesnt matter. It was a good trade at the time.

They didn't just throw him away or waive him. That was the main argument of your original statement.
- hello it's me 2050

Well, although it was a hockey trade, they did indeed give up on him. Had they properly assessed his potential I think they may have reconsidered that trade. I don’t believe they ever thought he’d become as good as he did.

I discount him period as it is not valid. What you cant separate is that was a hockey trade. What he did later doesnt matter. It was a good trade at the time.

They didn't just throw him away or waive him. That was the main argument of your original statement.
- hello it's me 2050

I thought the coach did not like him, but I could be confusing why Sharp was sent away.

Well, although it was a hockey trade, they did indeed give up on him. Had they properly assessed his potential I think they may have reconsidered that trade. I don’t believe they ever thought he’d become as good as he did.
- Hextall271

how do yo figure they gave up on him? So every trade is a team giving up on a player?

why are people still complaining about our line up? we're going to be poop this year use your energy on something else like cheering for the Phillies
- 2Real

I’m hoping the Phils and my jays do well. It’s just a hockey debate on a hockey site. A lot better than the political debates we get into here. One thing I think we forget at times is that it’s not a zero sum game here. I enjoy having someone disagree with my assessment ina respectful debate. These are just general comments not aimed at you

I’m hoping the Phils and my jays do well. It’s just a hockey debate on a hockey site. A lot better than the political debates we get into here. One thing I think we forget at times is that it’s not a zero sum game here. I enjoy having someone disagree with my assessment ina respectful debate. These are just general comments not aimed at you
- Hextall271

yea but even so it's a preseason game they're going to give everyone a shot we don't have any exciting prospects to watch in these games

They didnt give up on Williams - they got a damn good Dman in that trade
- corduroy

For 34 games...

how do yo figure they gave up on him? So every trade is a team giving up on a player?
- hello it's me 2050

I feel like they didn’t particularly value him as a price moving forward. Was it injuries or something else? Not sure. As the years went by I said why the hell didn’t we keep that guy? I also think they might have given up on him as at that time, flyers used to send out picks for rentals a lot more. I’m sure they could have done so without losing Williams. They just decided he wasn’t in their plans. That ended up being an oops

yea but even so it's a preseason game they're going to give everyone a shot we don't have any exciting prospects to watch in these games
- 2Real

I do agree on that point. It should be young players all day every day.