They can’t send Brink down. Not unless you’re blatantly trying to tank. He’s earned a spot, and the Flyers owe it to their fans to give them something to watch.

It’s gonna be a rough year, but the kids like Brink, Frost, and Tippett at least give them something to be excited about and actually attend games.

Unfortunately, I’m not sure it’s gonna happen.
- Hesh_

I want to see Brink in the lineup as well. They should be playing the kids. I hear you on thinking it might not happen. Not a Torts hater but fear he will do as he always does and rely on the vets (nothing against them). If we do see the kids getting more ice time, that to me will indicate Torts does not have as much pull. Let the kids get the experience and keep them in there unless they are struggling big time and losing confidence.

It's the Flyers. Young players have to beat out vets with no future. I hope they have changed but I have to see it first. I've said it before. They should be adding 4-5 new young players to the team. Don't become impatient and cut ice time at the first inevitable sign of a struggle. Live with the growing pains and develop at the NHL level, players who are NHL ready. Only when it becomes clear that it has become detrimental to the players growth, should they make a change.
- MJL

Yup. That’s why I just don’t have faith that it’ll happen.

They’re going with the sunken cost fallacy.

Suck it up and cut the dead weight. Brink deserves a spot. And yeah. Make room for Foerster, too. Just do it. Make this a place full of younger talent that Michkov can’t wait to come play with.

Whatever you say, Dr. Freud! You've called me a fool, an idiot, someone with little reading comprehension, etc. You say the same to others on a regular basis. So I'll play along....let's take Phil Myers. I admit I thought he had promise when he was first up with the Flyers. I liked his size, ability to play the puck, and even recall him chipping in a little on offense. I thought we had a winner/hit. He has never been the same and you blame the Flyers even though he's been on 2 other teams and has not produced. I now think that he is one of those players (hi Jason Akeson) who had a fortunate good streak/run but is really not an NHL caliber player. It happens. You meanwhile will fight to the death blaming the Flyers. Why can't he just be a miss? It's ok to disagree...no need for insults.
- Don Nachbaur

👍

I call for everyone to just ignore that troll. All he brings are negative vibes. (frank) all that! Let’s talk Flyers and be in good spirits!

He’s incapable of agreeing to disagree and clinking a beer. Leave him in the dust.

This is now the third post in a row you've made towards me with non- hockey related comments. If you want to have a hockey conversation with me. Lose the condescension and the agenda. Otherwise, not interested. I will no longer engage with you on non-hockey related matters.
- MJL

Hilarious! You asked me to talk hockey and I did. I used Myers as an example. I thought he was going to be a great prospect but after the past 3 seasons, I realize I was wrong. No agenda here. I'm not insulting your reading comprehension or alleging that you have a ridiculous take on this. I'm asking a question. What do you see in Myers that shows you he is a legit NHL player and has a future as a top 6 defender in the league? How is it the Flyers fault that he simply isn't that good? Torts wasn't here yet so we can't blame him. Feel free to elaborate.

the day a Wawa patch shows up is the day I buy my first jersey in years
- black_francis

Wawa goes into new territories and takes it over immediately without hardly any resistance. They’re coming down here and putting the screws to the already established 7-11s and RoFos.

It would be nice if the Flyers could do that.

Wawa goes into new territories and takes it over immediately without hardly any resistance. They’re coming down here and putting the screws to the already established 7-11s and RoFos.

It would be nice if the Flyers could do that.
- Hesh_

Maybe Wawa needs to set the precedent.

“Win today and we’ll have sandwiches together forever.”

👍

I call for everyone to just ignore that troll. All he brings are negative vibes. (frank) all that! Let’s talk Flyers and be in good spirits!

He’s incapable of agreeing to disagree and clinking a beer. Leave him in the dust.
- black_francis

Haha so true! I've even agreed with him on occasion and he found a way to turn it into an argument. Looking forward to the start of the season and hopefully seeing the kids progress. Cheers!

Haha so true! I've even agreed with him on occasion and he found a way to turn it into an argument. Looking forward to the start of the season and hopefully seeing the kids progress. Cheers!
- Don Nachbaur

Agreed! This doesn’t have to be a miserable place!

And we all look forward to your future graduation from Handsome Boy Modeling School 👍😉 (GaL reference lol, no snark)

I’ll post my degree soon enough!

This whole Zegras thing has me puzzled. I thought from the start that a 3/18 deal would get it done quickly. But no. Instead they messed around and ended up at 5.25/year after lowballing the kid for months.

Why? It clearly irked the player with the initial petty offers.

The only thing I can think of is -
a)Pat Verbeek is a dumbass
Or
b)They don’t see Zegras there in 3 years. They want Leo to earn that spot by then, and Zegras can be swapped out for talent at other positions.

So of course, I immediately start thinking of ways to take advantage of that situation. It’s true, they have a deep run of centers, but outside of Terry and Henrique (kinda…) they lack wingers.

Zegras signed his deal for 3 years, and that’s a key timeframe for us. I’m just kinda rubbing my hands together thinking of something to offer down the road, but we just don’t have the pieces to offer as of yet. A couple more 30 goal seasons from TK would help.

Meh, I’m way ahead of myself.

But I do see Zegras possibly moving on.

That’s blood in the water, man. The old Flyers would be kicking tires when the time was right.

This whole Zegras thing has me puzzled. I thought from the start that a 3/18 deal would get it done quickly. But no. Instead they messed around and ended up at 5.25/year after lowballing the kid for months.

Why? It clearly irked the player with the initial petty offers.

The only thing I can think of is -
a)Pat Verbeek is a dumbass
Or
b)They don’t see Zegras there in 3 years. They want Leo to earn that spot by then, and Zegras can be swapped out for talent at other positions.

So of course, I immediately start thinking of ways to take advantage of that situation. It’s true, they have a deep run of centers, but outside of Terry and Henrique (kinda…) they lack wingers.

Zegras signed his deal for 3 years, and that’s a key timeframe for us. I’m just kinda rubbing my hands together thinking of something to offer down the road, but we just don’t have the pieces to offer as of yet. A couple more 30 goal seasons from TK would help.

Meh, I’m way ahead of myself.

But I do see Zegras possibly moving on.
- Hesh_

I’ve heard Verbeek is similar in his no-budging stance that Yzerman has been, even with Stamkos. He’s either gonna play chicken and lose or, as you say, they see him as moveable which makes me wonder if there’s more to the person that might be undesirable

I know kids are dumb and what happens on the ice stays on the ice but we all saw him mouth some despicable stuff about another player’s dad who passed away - could be nothing or the tip of the ice berg.

I’ve heard Verbeek is similar in his no-budging stance that Yzerman has been, even with Stamkos. He’s either gonna play chicken and lose or, as you say, they see him as moveable which makes me wonder if there’s more to the person that might be undesirable

I know kids are dumb and what happens on the ice stays on the ice but we all saw him mouth some despicable stuff about another player’s dad who passed away - could be nothing or the tip of the ice berg.
- black_francis

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to kids being dumb. Plenty of players used to say stupid things at 20 and then wise up. Harper used to be mouthy. He matured into a killer. Randy Moss changed his attitude, too. Just like those two, Zegras puts up numbers. Hell, how about Lindros? He wasn’t exactly warm and fuzzy.

We have 2-3 years to see if he matures into a man. If he does, tell me you wouldn’t wanna see a Zegras/Michkov connection.

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to kids being dumb. Plenty of players used to say stupid things at 20 and then wise up. Harper used to be mouthy. He matured into a killer. Randy Moss changed his attitude, too. Just like those two, Zegras puts up numbers. Hell, how about Lindros? He wasn’t exactly warm and fuzzy.

We have 2-3 years to see if he matures into a man. If he does, tell me you wouldn’t wanna see a Zegras/Michkov connection.
- Hesh_

Oh absolutely

the day a Wawa patch shows up is the day I buy my first jersey in years
- black_francis

kicksave856, hello

No hint needed. Somehow you think that is saying that Hathaway is a bad player.




Again, how does bringing in Tkachuk support your opinion of Konecny over Pasternak? Now if your opinion was Tkachuk over Pasternak, then it would be relevant. Honestly, in all seriousness, what's wrong with you?

Ah, the mystery intangibles that Konecny has over Pasternak.

- MJL

Seriously what is wrong with you? It should be obvious that I believe Tkachuk is well over Pastrnak. I would take Tkachuk over any other forward right now, including McDavid. I have stated this in the past multiple times. Again, its points + intangibles, and there is nothing mysterious about intangibles for anyone who actually understands and has played the game!

I agree. They can't send Brink down now. He played his 3rd game in 4 nights tonight and still had lots of jump. He has earned a spot and it's really that simple. You can send him down if it doesn't work out. I don't feel like Foerster has really earned a spot, but I'd keep him up on the big club too if it was up to me. I just have concerns that they won't keep both.
- Phillywhiteout

Foerster did not help himself last night unfortunately, but my problem with sending Foerster back down to the AHL is I don't think Lappy and his staff can help Foerster fix what I think is wrong right now. I have more faith in Torts and his staff to help Foerster play smarter and create space for his shot. From what I have seen from Brink this training camp, there is nothing more for him to learn on the Phantoms and he should be playing for the Flyers. Maybe they can continue to work on his skating, but he is what he is at this point I'm afraid, and he more than makes up for it with this skill and smarts. Therefore I conclude both should stay with the big club, but that means someone has to sit. As of now, I think Allison is out and now the Flyers need to make a trade because they will lose him on waivers which IMO would be sad.

This whole Zegras thing has me puzzled. I thought from the start that a 3/18 deal would get it done quickly. But no. Instead they messed around and ended up at 5.25/year after lowballing the kid for months.

Why? It clearly irked the player with the initial petty offers.

The only thing I can think of is -
a)Pat Verbeek is a dumbass
Or
b)They don’t see Zegras there in 3 years. They want Leo to earn that spot by then, and Zegras can be swapped out for talent at other positions.

So of course, I immediately start thinking of ways to take advantage of that situation. It’s true, they have a deep run of centers, but outside of Terry and Henrique (kinda…) they lack wingers.

Zegras signed his deal for 3 years, and that’s a key timeframe for us. I’m just kinda rubbing my hands together thinking of something to offer down the road, but we just don’t have the pieces to offer as of yet. A couple more 30 goal seasons from TK would help.

Meh, I’m way ahead of myself.

But I do see Zegras possibly moving on.
- Hesh_

Zegras signed for 5.75M a year. With a couple more 30 goal seasons, Konecny would be 28 and Zegras 24. How would that fit into Anaheim's timeline?

Foerster did not help himself last night unfortunately, but my problem with sending Foerster back down to the AHL is I don't think Lappy and his staff can help Foerster fix what I think is wrong right now. I have more faith in Torts and his staff to help Foerster play smarter and create space for his shot. From what I have seen from Brink this training camp, there is nothing more for him to learn on the Phantoms and he should be playing for the Flyers. Maybe they can continue to work on his skating, but he is what he is at this point I'm afraid, and he more than makes up for it with this skill and smarts. Therefore I conclude both should stay with the big club, but that means someone has to sit. As of now, I think Allison is out and now the Flyers need to make a trade because they will lose him on waivers which IMO would be sad.
- jd250

Imo there is only room for one to start barring and injury. But the other will be up. Tyson looked better last night, but brink just keeps going. Before camp I thought Tyson was the kid. Not at practice but guessing brink May have won the spot. See what he does against nhl players. Not too long Tyson will be up if he goes down. Get some goals in the a and come in with high confidence.

Seriously what is wrong with you? It should be obvious that I believe Tkachuk is well over Pastrnak. I would take Tkachuk over any other forward right now, including McDavid. I have stated this in the past multiple times. Again, its points + intangibles, and there is nothing mysterious about intangibles for anyone who actually understands and has played the game!
- jd250

Wow just wow. Again, what does Tkachuk have to do with your opinion of Konecny over Pasternak? How does bringing Tkachuk into the picture, support your opinion of Konecny over Pasternak.

Ah, the old for anyone has played the game. Fallacies are not going to help you here.
What intangibles specifically put Konecny ahead of Pasternak in your view?

Foerster did not help himself last night unfortunately, but my problem with sending Foerster back down to the AHL is I don't think Lappy and his staff can help Foerster fix what I think is wrong right now. I have more faith in Torts and his staff to help Foerster play smarter and create space for his shot. From what I have seen from Brink this training camp, there is nothing more for him to learn on the Phantoms and he should be playing for the Flyers. Maybe they can continue to work on his skating, but he is what he is at this point I'm afraid, and he more than makes up for it with this skill and smarts. Therefore I conclude both should stay with the big club, but that means someone has to sit. As of now, I think Allison is out and now the Flyers need to make a trade because they will lose him on waivers which IMO would be sad.
- jd250

If the Flyers waive Allison, odds are in favor of him clearing waivers.

Wow just wow. Again, what does Tkachuk have to do with your opinion of Konecny over Pasternak? How does bringing Tkachuk into the picture, support your opinion of Konecny over Pasternak.

Ah, the old for anyone has played the game. Fallacies are not going to help you here.
What intangibles specifically put Konecny ahead of Pasternak in your view?
- MJL

Pastrnak is a soft player. He does one thing, scores goals and as long as things are set up right for him he will do just that. But when it comes to a tough series where you have to grind to get some space and go to the dirty areas of the ice to score a greasy goal, Pastrnak is not your player. In the regular season this is fine. But when it comes to the playoffs where the intensity is ratcheted way up, and the space and time is limited, Pastrnak is not the best in these situations. I think Tkachuk is probably one of the best in the league in these situations, and I think TK will also do very well compared to Pastrnak. Will TK ever score 60 goals, or even 50 goals. No, of course not, but I will take a 30+ goal scorer who can play this kind of a game over a 50 goal scorer who can't. Just my opinion.

Imo there is only room for one to start barring and injury. But the other will be up. Tyson looked better last night, but brink just keeps going. Before camp I thought Tyson was the kid. Not at practice but guessing brink May have won the spot. See what he does against nhl players. Not too long Tyson will be up if he goes down. Get some goals in the a and come in with high confidence.
- Peter Richards

Yes, I can see a scenario where Foerster is this year's Cam York, get sent down with a specific thing to work on and then come up by Christmas and become a mainstay in the lineup. However if this happens the Flyers have got to figure out how to carve out consistent minutes for Foerster to play. Foerster has to be in a consistent top 9 role, otherwise it makes no sense for him to be here. It's the Flyers though, so I am sure there will be an unfortunate injury between now and then, unless their luck changes.

Imo there is only room for one to start barring and injury. But the other will be up. Tyson looked better last night, but brink just keeps going. Before camp I thought Tyson was the kid. Not at practice but guessing brink May have won the spot. See what he does against nhl players. Not too long Tyson will be up if he goes down. Get some goals in the a and come in with high confidence.
- Peter Richards

I think 13th forward plays here, meaning Allison being the 13t forward will be ok compared to Tyson being 13th forward. Brink has kick down the door.

The real question is will York have a better career than Caufield.
- Minnyhock

no the question is will York and Brink

Pastrnak is a soft player. He does one thing, scores goals and as long as things are set up right for him he will do just that. But when it comes to a tough series where you have to grind to get some space and go to the dirty areas of the ice to score a greasy goal, Pastrnak is not your player. In the regular season this is fine. But when it comes to the playoffs where the intensity is ratcheted way up, and the space and time is limited, Pastrnak is not the best in these situations. I think Tkachuk is probably one of the best in the league in these situations, and I think TK will also do very well compared to Pastrnak. Will TK ever score 60 goals, or even 50 goals. No, of course not, but I will take a 30+ goal scorer who can play this kind of a game over a 50 goal scorer who can't. Just my opinion.
- jd250

I'll remind you, your opinion offered is Konecny over Pasternak. What does Tkachuk have to do with that? Nothing!

You state that Pasternak doesn't have the game for the playoffs. I'll remind you. Pasternak has scored 35 goals and 44 assists for 79 points in 77 playoff games. That's what Pasternak has done when the intensity is ratcheted up and space and time ls limited. What factual evidence can you provide to support your opinion?

What evidence do you have that supports that Konecny can play this vague mysterious kind of game?

Scored goals as long as things are set up right for him? What does that even mean?