Foerster did not help himself last night unfortunately, but my problem with sending Foerster back down to the AHL is I don't think Lappy and his staff can help Foerster fix what I think is wrong right now. I have more faith in Torts and his staff to help Foerster play smarter and create space for his shot. From what I have seen from Brink this training camp, there is nothing more for him to learn on the Phantoms and he should be playing for the Flyers. Maybe they can continue to work on his skating, but he is what he is at this point I'm afraid, and he more than makes up for it with this skill and smarts. Therefore I conclude both should stay with the big club, but that means someone has to sit. As of now, I think Allison is out and now the Flyers need to make a trade because they will lose him on waivers which IMO would be sad.
- jd250

What was wrong with Foerster’s game last night?…I thought he played very good. He is noticeably effective on most shifts, responsible defensively. Yes he didn’t score but you can see he’s close. In my mind this is we’re a GM has to do his job and maybe move a vet out because to me that kid is easily a top 9 on this team.

What was wrong with Foerster’s game last night?…I thought he played very good. He is noticeably effective on most shifts, responsible defensively. Yes he didn’t score but you can see he’s close. In my mind this is we’re a GM has to do his job and maybe move a vet out because to me that kid is easily a top 9 on this team.
- landros 2

Do you recall one time where Foerster was close to scoring? He played 17 minutes including several PP minutes and got 1 shot on goal. When your best asset is your shot and you only get 1 shot on goal, that is not what I call a good game. Foerster is a winger, not a center. I care much less about his defensive play. What will get him and keep in the NHL is his ability to generate offense. And for comparison, the only reason why Brink is in the mix this camp is because he has consistently generated offense. As Torts has said, the puck just follows him. IMO Foerster still has not learned how to create space for himself and get into the right areas of the ice where he can launch his best weapon, and until he does he will continue to struggle to generate offense.

I'll remind you, your opinion offered is Konecny over Pasternak. What does Tkachuk have to do with that? Nothing!

You state that Pasternak doesn't have the game for the playoffs. I'll remind you. Pasternak has scored 35 goals and 44 assists for 79 points in 77 playoff games. That's what Pasternak has done when the intensity is ratcheted up and space and time ls limited. What factual evidence can you provide to support your opinion?

What evidence do you have that supports that Konecny can play this vague mysterious kind of game?

Scored goals as long as things are set up right for him? What does that even mean?
- MJL

lol, you the man cliff. Still waiting

If Brink is sent down I for one am Def looking forward to the reasoning coming out from the co-gm's.

If Allison or tanner are lost on waivers so what at this point. They are replaceable players you can find anytime. Both may need a change of scenery anyway. Tanner has looked better. His skating is much better as maybe is finally healthy. The fact he can play center or wing gives him an advantage over Allison.

Do you recall one time where Foerster was close to scoring? He played 17 minutes including several PP minutes and got 1 shot on goal. When your best asset is your shot and you only get 1 shot on goal, that is not what I call a good game. Foerster is a winger, not a center. I care much less about his defensive play. What will get him and keep in the NHL is his ability to generate offense. And for comparison, the only reason why Brink is in the mix this camp is because he has consistently generated offense. As Torts has said, the puck just follows him. IMO Foerster still has not learned how to create space for himself and get into the right areas of the ice where he can launch his best weapon, and until he does he will continue to struggle to generate offense.
- jd250

very small sample forest was offensively last season in his cameo. He needs to be on the NHL roster. If say after 20-25 games he isnt producing then send him down. No reason not to start him in the NHL at this point.

Isn't that what rebuilding teams do?

Yes, I can see a scenario where Foerster is this year's Cam York, get sent down with a specific thing to work on and then come up by Christmas and become a mainstay in the lineup. However if this happens the Flyers have got to figure out how to carve out consistent minutes for Foerster to play. Foerster has to be in a consistent top 9 role, otherwise it makes no sense for him to be here. It's the Flyers though, so I am sure there will be an unfortunate injury between now and then, unless their luck changes.
- jd250

Has Forester done enough to stay up. Torts said it is hard not to keep Brink in the top 6 spot.

All is well and good but the real season starts soon. You could see how the Flyers handled the B Bruins, even for a team like the Flyers the talent gap is obvious. For Brink, Foerster and Zam, looking good will be more difficult, the intensity will go way up. I will say I think Allison should be the 4th line winger, I just don't know how you give ND a spot, at the very least Torts should have had ND in more games and made him work, seems like a spot was gifted but one more pre-season game to go.

All is well and good but the real season starts soon. You could see how the Flyers handled the B Bruins, even for a team like the Flyers the talent gap is obvious. For Brink, Foerster and Zam, looking good will be more difficult, the intensity will go way up. I will say I think Allison should be the 4th line winger, I just don't know how you give ND a spot, at the very least Torts should have had ND in more games and made him work, seems like a spot was gifted.
- wcorvette

If they want to send a sign to the fans that they are serious about a rebuild. They will waive and demote Deslauriers and play Allison.

If Brink is sent down I for one am Def looking forward to the reasoning coming out from the co-gm's.

If Allison or tanner are lost on waivers so what at this point. They are replaceable players you can find anytime. Both may need a change of scenery anyway. Tanner has looked better. His skating is much better as maybe is finally healthy. The fact he can play center or wing gives him an advantage over Allison.
- hello it's me 2050

Can’t see Brink not making the team. Totally agree on Tanner and Allison, would like to see a younger player in NDs spot but that contract is here to stay

If they want to send a sign to the fans that they are serious about a rebuild. They will waive and demote Deslauriers and play Allison.
- MJL

I think this is the only that I will be disappointed with, seems ND has been gifted the spot.

Can’t see Brink not making the team. Totally agree on Tanner and Allison, would like to see a younger player in NDs spot but that contract is here to stay
- ClaudeFather

the contract is one thing but 1 mil in dead space if you send him to the AHL, the code won't allow it, just dumb.

did the Rangers break from their re-build to soon?

I think this is the only that I will be disappointed with, seems ND has been gifted the spot.
- wcorvette

Deslauriers, Hathaway and Atkinson at a minimum, shouldn't be here any longer. Unfortunately, there is a salary cap. Hathaway is a solid role player and 4th liner but why sign a 30 year old to an expensive contract for his role. I could see it if maybe they were replacing Deslauriers but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Do you recall one time where Foerster was close to scoring? He played 17 minutes including several PP minutes and got 1 shot on goal. When your best asset is your shot and you only get 1 shot on goal, that is not what I call a good game. Foerster is a winger, not a center. I care much less about his defensive play. What will get him and keep in the NHL is his ability to generate offense. And for comparison, the only reason why Brink is in the mix this camp is because he has consistently generated offense. As Torts has said, the puck just follows him. IMO Foerster still has not learned how to create space for himself and get into the right areas of the ice where he can launch his best weapon, and until he does he will continue to struggle to generate offense.
- jd250

I saw him get a few shots away on the pp. I thought he moved well and any talk about his skating really needs to be shelved. I saw him make a great cross ice pass to Atkinson on the pp as well. I did find him a little hesitant with some of his decisions with the man advantage but no more than Konecny or Atkinson. When he moved to the 4th line he was the most noticeable guy on the line, which tells me in the grand scheme of things he can play up and down the lineup. I’m not going to agree at all with the suggestion that he can’t find open ice because I saw him do it several times on the PP which is what you want.
With all that said I think Brink has also earned a spot. I know it’s a numbers game but to me both are easily in the top 9 with this group….especially considering where this organization currently is and what their stated goals are.

Can’t see Brink not making the team. Totally agree on Tanner and Allison, would like to see a younger player in NDs spot but that contract is here to stay
- ClaudeFather

I also like what I see from Ryan p. So far. Also think they will start seeler over andrae. Wouldn’t be an issue if they traded him last year instead of putting a high price tag on him.

They will keep nd in to try to keep others away from the rookies.

If Allison is waived I think there is a descent chance another team picks him up. Tanner not so much. Whir will prob clear.

Maybe they switch nd and Allison depending on who they play. At least that’s the hope as they won’t just waive him.

the contract is one thing but 1 mil in dead space if you send him to the AHL, the code won't allow it, just dumb.
- wcorvette

It would be 600K for Deslauriers of dead space.

If Brink is sent down I for one am Def looking forward to the reasoning coming out from the co-gm's.

If Allison or tanner are lost on waivers so what at this point. They are replaceable players you can find anytime. Both may need a change of scenery anyway. Tanner has looked better. His skating is much better as maybe is finally healthy. The fact he can play center or wing gives him an advantage over Allison.
- hello it's me 2050

That’s the thing….I liked both Allison and Laczynski but at this point neither has been reliable in being able to stay on the ice. Neither has had their scoring through the NCAA translate into the pro game….we keep waiting. I’m not saying give up on these guys, but from what I see both Foerster and Brink have been better in the games I’ve watched. Now waivers do matter but at this point the better, more upside young guys need to given the opportunity that they have earned.

So tell me, since Pastrnak is so great, what has he and his team won exactly? Last season the Bruins had the best regular season in NHL history, and Pastrnak had 61 goals! And yet it was Matthew Tkachuk who lead his team to the finals, while the great and mighty Pastrnak was booking tee times by the 2nd round. So who exactly spews extreme and irrational absurdity on this forum? I'll give you a hint, it's the guy with the 3 initials ...
- jd250

I love TK. I man crushed so hard on him pre-draft that I was on here saying he was worth a top-5 pick. I complained for years that the Flyers coaches were Richarding him over with all their "tough love" tactics.

But even I wouldn't dare say that he could hold Pasta's jock. Pasta is flat out one the best offensive players in the league. TK is a lot of things, but he isn't that. Not even close.

the contract is one thing but 1 mil in dead space if you send him to the AHL, the code won't allow it, just dumb.
- wcorvette

Dead cap space or not, just don’t see that happening this season

I also like what I see from Ryan p. So far. Also think they will start seeler over andrae. Wouldn’t be an issue if they traded him last year instead of putting a high price tag on him.

They will keep nd in to try to keep others away from the rookies.

If Allison is waived I think there is a descent chance another team picks him up. Tanner not so much. Whir will prob clear.

Maybe they switch nd and Allison depending on who they play. At least that’s the hope as they won’t just waive him.
- Peter Richards

I think Ryan P is gonna be the guy that’s up and down called ip for injury plugs.

If they want to send a sign to the fans that they are serious about a rebuild. They will waive and demote Deslauriers and play Allison.
- MJL

It truly makes a lot of sense to demote ND. Let him be a leader with the Phantoms. Save $1.25mil on the cap. He is not an NHL level player.

Deslauriers, Hathaway and Atkinson at a minimum, shouldn't be here any longer. Unfortunately, there is a salary cap. Hathaway is a solid role player and 4th liner but why sign a 30 year old to an expensive contract for his role. I could see it if maybe they were replacing Deslauriers but that doesn't seem to be the case.
- MJL

Cam is what it is, nothing the Flyers can do, hope what we saw last night is how he plays and by a miracle you can move him at deadline. Agree on Hathaway, like the player and if no ND, all good. I do think if Hathaway plays well, he is a chip you can move at the deadline, I am good with the signing.

There is a scenario where the Flyers play well above projections. It is only pre-season but you can see if the D holds up, you get the goal tending, Coots and Cam are healthy and the kids are alright, the Flyers get to the fringe of the playoffs. That is the worse case scenario in my opinion. I want them to get to the deadline and be in full SELL mode.

I think Ryan P is gonna be the guy that’s up and down called ip for injury plugs.
- ClaudeFather

Ryan Poehling? He is a lock for the Flyers. 100%

It truly makes a lot of sense to demote ND. Let him be a leader with the Phantoms. Save $1.25mil on the cap. He is not an NHL level player.
- mickel25

it violates the code

Dead cap space or not, just don’t see that happening this season
- ClaudeFather

ND isn’t going anywhere. He plays his role to a T. Now the argument can be made he makes too much for too long, but that falls on Fletcher, not ND. You can also say that his role is archaic and no longer relevant but it’s BEYOND obvious the organization disagrees…..at least right now.