I wanted them to make a decision! Your Franking savior chose to ride the middle. He traded Schenn and started his little half ass retool or whatever the hell that was.
- ClaudeFather

Hextall didn't choose that. Management did. They would never accept a complete tear down and you know it. Make all the snide comments you want bub. Two first rounders for Schenn was a no brainer.

Hextall didn't choose that. Management did. They would never accept a complete tear down and you know it. Make all the snide comments you want bub. Two first rounders for Schenn was a no brainer.
- MJL

Then swing for the fences, the middle lane BS was brutal

Hextall didn't choose that. Management did. They would never accept a complete tear down and you know it. Make all the snide comments you want bub. Two first rounders for Schenn was a no brainer.
- MJL

Hextall was management.

Hextall was management.
- MBFlyerfan

He was the GM and he did not have complete say. How would Holmgren and Scott have reacted if he went to them and told them that he wanted to trade Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds?

This season may be the last hurrah for the Cindy version of the Pens. But historically they have drafted superb. (Albeit some lottery luck). I think they will be comptetive again fast.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

LMAO! What? They had two generational talents fall into their laps. Not sure what you mean about superb drafting and I seriously don't think they turn their sh!t show around quickly unless Buttman finds another generational talent for them.

He was the GM and he did not have complete say. How would Holmgren and Scott have reacted if he went to them and told them that he wanted to trade Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds?
- MJL

Have any facts to back that up?

NARRATOR: He didn’t.

LMAO! What? They had two generational talents fall into their laps. Not sure what you mean about superb drafting and I seriously don't think they turn their sh!t show around quickly unless Buttman finds another generational talent for them.

- Phillywhiteout

at least the flyers didnt tank eh wut thanks

I guess I'm a little late to the party, but found out that Allison is on waivers. I didn't realize that he was 26 years old. I wish him luck, but to me he has to play balls to the wall to be an effective player in the NHL and when he plays that way he inevitably gets injured. That's a problem. He will get another chance somewhere if not here, but the clock is ticking.

Have any facts to back that up?

NARRATOR: He didn’t.
- black_francis

Lol of course Hexy had no say bc the dinosaurs Clarkie, Homer, etc were really in charge and made all of the decisions. They forced the Dale Weise signing and all of Hexy's draft picks. Hexy is the GOAT. Clarkie forced him to bring back JVR as well. Our defense will be set for years due to Hexy's diligence.

I guess I'm a little late to the party, but found out that Allison is on waivers. I didn't realize that he was 26 years old. I wish him luck, but to me he has to play balls to the wall to be an effective player in the NHL and when he plays that way he inevitably gets injured. That's a problem. He will get another chance somewhere if not here, but the clock is ticking.
- Phillywhiteout

Yea I saw that earlier. I've always been a big Allison fan, as i love his style of play (minus all of the injuries). Someone earlier posted that there are guys like Allison all over the AHL, so yes, it's not a major loss if we lose him. I'd rather have a healthy Allison over a vet but sadly, it's not likely. Of course it will be a tragedy if we lose Wade since Torts the dinosaur wants to play ND and Hathaway.

Yea I saw that earlier. I've always been a big Allison fan, as i love his style of play (minus all of the injuries). Someone earlier posted that there are guys like Allison all over the AHL, so yes, it's not a major loss if we lose him. I'd rather have a healthy Allison over a vet but sadly, it's not likely. Of course it will be a tragedy if we lose Wade since Torts the dinosaur wants to play ND and Hathaway.
- Don Nachbaur

Like it’s been said before he just can’t play the style he needs to play without getting hurt. I used to be real high on the guy but this is the right call and no loss if he gets claimed

Have any facts to back that up?

NARRATOR: He didn’t.
- black_francis

I hate defending mjl but he is correct. The mandate from the bean counters is to give the illusion of trying to win. You don’t give that illusion by trading the marketable players that put people in the seats. Cumcast wouldn’t have allowed a total rebuild back then.

To take that further are they allowing it now? Even after somewhat saying rebuilding now

I guess I'm a little late to the party, but found out that Allison is on waivers. I didn't realize that he was 26 years old. I wish him luck, but to me he has to play balls to the wall to be an effective player in the NHL and when he plays that way he inevitably gets injured. That's a problem. He will get another chance somewhere if not here, but the clock is ticking.
- Phillywhiteout

Not sure when we find out if he cleared or not. Noon today? It wouldn’t be a major loss but I’d still rather have him on the roster than one of the vets. I really hope that by the time we hit the 10 game mark and are 0-10-0 that they consider just letting all the kids play. I expect this will be the case by end February anyway once we’ve locked up last overall.

I hate defending mjl but he is correct. The mandate from the bean counters is to give the illusion of trying to win. You don’t give that illusion by trading the marketable players that put people in the seats. Cumcast wouldn’t have allowed a total rebuild back then.

To take that further are they allowing it now? Even after somewhat saying rebuilding now
- SMS4016

This is correct. A lot of folks want to blame hextall for the current state of affairs and every problem the franchise has had but I think had he been allowed to do a full rebuild or even continue on the path he was in we’d be in a much better place than what happened with fletch. The org got impatient and wanted a quick fix which can’t be done nowadays. Having said this, our draft record over this time was very uneven but I think a lot of teams experience this unless you’re routinely drafting top 5. The Patrick debacle set us back immensely but I don’t think anyone knew what kind of bust that he’d turn out to be. Even those who had concerns, would not have said he’d be out of the league by now. If they do say that now they’re lying. I also don’t know if we’d have picked makar heiskanen if they’d have succeeded here. They may have turned into a provorov?

He was the GM and he did not have complete say. How would Holmgren and Scott have reacted if he went to them and told them that he wanted to trade Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds?
- MJL

I agree he probably didn’t have support to trade G or Jake but he could have traded simmer and I think he fell one trade short of doing the job. Now, that is easy to say now, but simmer would have fetched a nice return , flyers would have dropped faster in the standings and maybe the rebuild would have been clearer.

Schenn for Farabee and Frost, no brainer, covid etc slowed the timeline for the later, which shaded that trade a tad.

Yea I saw that earlier. I've always been a big Allison fan, as i love his style of play (minus all of the injuries). Someone earlier posted that there are guys like Allison all over the AHL, so yes, it's not a major loss if we lose him. I'd rather have a healthy Allison over a vet but sadly, it's not likely. Of course it will be a tragedy if we lose Wade since Torts the dinosaur wants to play ND and Hathaway.
- Don Nachbaur

Just ND, he should have been waived, he in no way helps the 4th line, at least to the extent you could not put any other player in his position

I agree he probably didn’t have support to trade G or Jake but he could have traded simmer and I think he fell one trade short of doing the job. Now, that is easy to say now, but simmer would have fetched a nice return , flyers would have dropped faster in the standings and maybe the rebuild would have been clearer.

Schenn for Farabee and Frost, no brainer, covid etc slowed the timeline for the later, which shaded that trade a tad.
- wcorvette

If I remember, he tried very hard to swing a trade to get the 1st from Florida at the draft with the idea of taking ekblad. I remember reading that they wanted simmer and that was the sticking point. If that’s true, I think you make that move. Depending on what else was included.

Just ND, he should have been waived, he in no way helps the 4th line, at least to the extent you could not put any other player in his position
- wcorvette

Agreed. You waive ND. if you really think that Allison isn’t a piece moving forward, you keep him and try to swing a trade at the TDL. Even if it’s for a 6th rounder or a middle prospect or something. Can’t just jettison assets as we need to compile all kinds of picks and prospects hoping some hit.

I agree he probably didn’t have support to trade G or Jake but he could have traded simmer and I think he fell one trade short of doing the job. Now, that is easy to say now, but simmer would have fetched a nice return , flyers would have dropped faster in the standings and maybe the rebuild would have been clearer.

Schenn for Farabee and Frost, no brainer, covid etc slowed the timeline for the later, which shaded that trade a tad.
- wcorvette

He failed at his job, that’s the bottom line, whether he couldn’t fully rebuild or not, he kept the flyers stuck in the mud and did nothing to help us out of it. Look at his best players drafted, look at that Schenn trade. All of those guys are now established NHL players and we have nothing but complimentary players. and on top of it, he had a legendary whiff at #2 . This excuse of he was in a tough spot is pathetic

Ek with a front page of Alison on waivers haha, not much traffic there

Hextall didn't choose that. Management did. They would never accept a complete tear down and you know it. Make all the snide comments you want bub. Two first rounders for Schenn was a no brainer.
- MJL

Any facts t back this claim up Cliff? Links, direct quotes, anything?

Ronald was is in charge 100% of his team. He was not a good GM. Seeing you defending your Dad is always entertaining.

Saint Ronald had zero balls. He had zero plan. Oh my bad you will say draft and develop, your usual nonsense. He crapped the bed with 2 organizations.

Hopefully the flyers bring hi back role some type of role.

He was the GM and he did not have complete say. How would Holmgren and Scott have reacted if he went to them and told them that he wanted to trade Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds?
- MJL

Yes he did. Do you have any first hand knowledge to show otherwise? Any facts t back this claim up Cliff? Links, direct quotes, anything?

Ronald was is in charge 100% of his team. He was not a good GM. Seeing you defending your Dad is always entertaining.

You tell us how would they have reacted? Ronald had no balls and tried to tow the line. Defend to the end Cliff. Pure entertainment.

Can one also say that Chuck didn't have complete say as well?

This is correct. A lot of folks want to blame hextall for the current state of affairs and every problem the franchise has had but I think had he been allowed to do a full rebuild or even continue on the path he was in we’d be in a much better place than what happened with fletch. The org got impatient and wanted a quick fix which can’t be done nowadays. Having said this, our draft record over this time was very uneven but I think a lot of teams experience this unless you’re routinely drafting top 5. The Patrick debacle set us back immensely but I don’t think anyone knew what kind of bust that he’d turn out to be. Even those who had concerns, would not have said he’d be out of the league by now. If they do say that now they’re lying. I also don’t know if we’d have picked makar heiskanen if they’d have succeeded here. They may have turned into a provorov?
- Hextall271

Ronald is part of the reason this team is in the shape it is in currently. not the only one.

He ran the show while he was here. He failed. Stop with the excuses he didn't have this or didnt have that. He did

He failed at his job, that’s the bottom line, whether he couldn’t fully rebuild or not, he kept the flyers stuck in the mud and did nothing to help us out of it. Look at his best players drafted, look at that Schenn trade. All of those guys are now established NHL players and we have nothing but complimentary players. and on top of it, he had a legendary whiff at #2 . This excuse of he was in a tough spot is pathetic
- ClaudeFather

At the end of the day it is a performance based business and he did fail, there can be no hiding from it. He failed in Pitt, situation aside, he is damaged goods currently. The #2 pick, even though he is was the consensus pick, the failure is still Hextalls.

I agree he probably didn’t have support to trade G or Jake but he could have traded simmer and I think he fell one trade short of doing the job. Now, that is easy to say now, but simmer would have fetched a nice return , flyers would have dropped faster in the standings and maybe the rebuild would have been clearer.

Schenn for Farabee and Frost, no brainer, covid etc slowed the timeline for the later, which shaded that trade a tad.
- wcorvette

lets assume this is true. then you build around them. Ronald was fn clueless. He had a decent core and some young guys. He didn't know what to do.