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deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Oct 9 @ 3:49 PM ET
Mark Scheifele and Connor Hellebuyck have signed identical seven-year contract extensions with an average annual value of $8,500,000.
- AGalchenyuk27


signed and trade
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:01 PM ET
Mark Scheifele and Connor Hellebuyck have signed identical seven-year contract extensions with an average annual value of $8,500,000.
- AGalchenyuk27

lol @ shuffles
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:08 PM ET
Mark Scheifele and Connor Hellebuyck have signed identical seven-year contract extensions with an average annual value of $8,500,000.
- AGalchenyuk27

wow! excellent news
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:13 PM ET
wow! excellent news
- fidopro

why?
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:20 PM ET
why?
- deadpoulet


because I like having teams North of the border
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 4:23 PM ET
because I like having teams North of the border
- fidopro


look at this guy, playing a game of Risk with his hockey teams.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Oct 9 @ 4:26 PM ET
look at this guy, playing a game of Risk with his hockey teams.
- Pat1993

would you prefer ARZ ATL or FLA?
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 4:29 PM ET
would you prefer ARZ ATL or FLA?
- fidopro


oh (frank) no. I'd prefer waiting for a more interesting location.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:34 PM ET
oh (frank) no. I'd prefer waiting for a more interesting location.
- Pat1993

well there you go. it's important for markets like WPG to sign their stars.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 4:40 PM ET
well there you go. it's important for markets like WPG to sign their stars.
- fidopro


I get what you're saying, and I wouldn't want WPG or any other Canadian city to relocate to the US, but if a team needs to go through a rough patch in order to eventually get better (kinda like the habs right now lol) then so be it.

if the Jets determined that these were guys they wanted to keep, that's totally fine, but they shouldn't feel compelled to sign a player because of their market either, whatever is best for the organization in the long run.
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:54 PM ET
I get what you're saying, and I wouldn't want WPG or any other Canadian city to relocate to the US, but if a team needs to go through a rough patch in order to eventually get better (kinda like the habs right now lol) then so be it.

if the Jets determined that these were guys they wanted to keep, that's totally fine, but they shouldn't feel compelled to sign a player because of their market either, whatever is best for the organization in the long run.

- Pat1993

The Jets are the monument of bettmans Atlanta failure. It kills him that he had to put a team back there. Even gave a veiled threat of pulling them out him parents weren't willing to sell their first borns in order to buy tickets and fill the arena. Bettman thinking 15,500 is too small but was content will the thrashers drawing 8,000
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 5:00 PM ET
The Jets are the monument of bettmans Atlanta failure. It kills him that he had to put a team back there. Even gave a veiled threat of pulling them out him parents weren't willing to sell their first borns in order to buy tickets and fill the arena. Bettman thinking 15,500 is too small but was content will the thrashers drawing 8,000
- mr.peanut




8,000 huge ass 'Murican seats > 15,500 Canadian seats
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Oct 9 @ 6:12 PM ET
I get what you're saying, and I wouldn't want WPG or any other Canadian city to relocate to the US, but if a team needs to go through a rough patch in order to eventually get better (kinda like the habs right now lol) then so be it.

if the Jets determined that these were guys they wanted to keep, that's totally fine, but they shouldn't feel compelled to sign a player because of their market either, whatever is best for the organization in the long run.

- Pat1993


I dont know if its the best move for them, but they have the option to trade them down the road as well

I want more teams in Canada, not less. But they had problems winning with their core and these 2 guys were part of their core all those years, for sure
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 6:46 PM ET
I dont know if its the best move for them, but they have the option to trade them down the road as well

I want more teams in Canada, not less. But they had problems winning with their core and these 2 guys were part of their core all those years, for sure

- deadpoulet


that's why I was saying that giving contracts to players just for the sake of reaching a certain number of ticket sales isn't necessarily the most optimal way of building a team that can compete long-term, ideally you also need to sign guys who actually want to play there and win, and not just repeat the same lukewarm results one year after another.

I don't necessarily think Buttman is this evil anti-Canadian mastermind but he hasn't done all that much either in terms of making things a bit more even for teams in Canada vs those located in the US in regards to their specific markets, and how they're able to attract players with elite talent.
Mashadar
Location: Let the creamy goaltending season begin!
Joined: 08.31.2014

Oct 9 @ 7:17 PM ET
Mark Scheifele and Connor Hellebuyck have signed identical seven-year contract extensions with an average annual value of $8,500,000.
- AGalchenyuk27


This will haunt the Jets... yikes.

Gonna be 38 at the end of that contract... wowzers.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 7:31 PM ET
This will haunt the Jets... yikes.

Gonna be 38 at the end of that contract... wowzers.

- Mashadar


yeah, not the most team-friendly situation, recent history has clearly shown that besides a few exceptional cases, those kinds of deals rarely end well.
Mashadar
Location: Let the creamy goaltending season begin!
Joined: 08.31.2014

Oct 9 @ 7:35 PM ET
yeah, not the most team-friendly situation, recent history has clearly shown that besides a few exceptional cases, those kinds of deals rarely end well.
- Pat1993


Helley might be worth that money, but not that term.

Scheifele not so much. and not for that term.
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Oct 9 @ 7:40 PM ET
that's why I was saying that giving contracts to players just for the sake of reaching a certain number of ticket sales isn't necessarily the most optimal way of building a team that can compete long-term, ideally you also need to sign guys who actually want to play there and win, and not just repeat the same lukewarm results one year after another.

I don't necessarily think Buttman is this evil anti-Canadian mastermind but he hasn't done all that much either in terms of making things a bit more even for teams in Canada vs those located in the US in regards to their specific markets, and how they're able to attract players with elite talent.

- Pat1993


its hard for me to get why the Coyotes are still there. The owners need to step up for that team to move already
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Oct 9 @ 7:44 PM ET
Helley might be worth that money, but not that term.

Scheifele not so much. and not for that term.

- Mashadar


they pretty much got that deal cause they are stars willing to play in Winnipeg. A hard sell if any

I think the Jets should have went with a rebuild, but they decided to keep trying to compete in the now

it is what it is
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 7:49 PM ET
its hard for me to get why the Coyotes are still there. The owners need to step up for that team to move already
- deadpoulet


the city where they were supposed to build their arena has confirmed multiple times they didn't want anything to do with that team.

there are teams in the LHJMQ that currently have better infrastructure than the Coyotes, yet Buttman insists on keeping that stain of a franchise alive.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 7:51 PM ET
they pretty much got that deal cause they are stars willing to play in Winnipeg. A hard sell if any

I think the Jets should have went with a rebuild, but they decided to keep trying to compete in the now

it is what it is

- deadpoulet


well at least Scheifele and Hellebuyck aren't turrible players, it isn't like they were throwing a bunch of money at Karl Alzner...
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Oct 9 @ 7:53 PM ET
well at least Scheifele and Hellebuyck aren't turrible players, it isn't like they were throwing a bunch of money at Karl Alzner...
- Pat1993

Getting rid of one more year of emelin, only to get a worse emelin for more money and four more years was quite a bizarre move
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Oct 9 @ 7:54 PM ET
the city where they were supposed to build their arena has confirmed multiple times they didn't want anything to do with that team.

there are teams in the LHJMQ that currently have better infrastructure than the Coyotes, yet Buttman insists on keeping that stain of a franchise alive.

- Pat1993

Dallas/Raleigh/Denver were all southern successes from the mid90s hockey market exodus. Gary can eat one L
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 7:55 PM ET
Getting rid of one more year of emelin, only to get a worse emelin for more money and four more years was quite a bizarre move
- mr.peanut


and then doubling down on it by saying that their defense group actually got better... sometimes you just gotta shut the (frank) up.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Oct 9 @ 7:56 PM ET
Dallas/Raleigh/Denver were all southern successes from the mid90s hockey market exodus. Gary can eat one L
- mr.peanut


well he was bound to get a bunch of Ls and Ws along the way, he's been there since 93 for (frank)'s sake.
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