Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
Oct 12 @ 9:48 AM ET
Well the idea of Campbell was to finally have that good enough goaltender.
They just grabbed the wrong one.
Mind you, if he just played at the level he was at in Toronto, it wouldn't look THIS bad. - Scabeh
To be fair to Campbell last night, he wasn't really terrible or anything. On the 1st goal guy got in behind the D and beat him. It happens. On the 2nd, Nurse with a screen on his own goalie that would make Holl blush. And the third and 4th goals one was knocked in out of the air and the other took maybe the most ridiculous bounce off a foot that you'll see.
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
Oct 12 @ 9:48 AM ET
I would agree that Winnipeg is far and away the #1 with Hellebuyck. Demko is #2 based on repeatable performances, despite last year being a down year.
Markstrom to me is very inconsistent. He had one good year (his last) in Vancouver, and one good year in Calgary, but he also had two poor years in Calgary and the rest of his time in Vancouver was poor to decent. Just because I have little faith in his consistency, I probably personally rank him a bit lower - but based on the lack of depth in Canadian goaltenders in general, it still probably keeps Calgary 3rd.
The rest of us have hope in our future prospects - Woll and Skinner are younger and have the opportunity to emerge; personally I think they do. Not crapping on you, but Montembeault is 26, so he has to show up now. He was probably your best goalie over the past couple of years, but he is still woefully inconsistency game-to-game.
The Senators are a hard read. Korpisalo can be brilliant and outright awful - sometimes on the same shift - but certainly year-over-year he is as inconsistent as they come. That said last year was the only time in the last 6 years that he has posted a positive GSAx - and while we could argue, "Well. Columbus." one thing of note is that of the 19 goalies to play for them since 2018, Korpisalo holds the 14, 15, 16, 17, and 18th worst GSAx spots among them and he never started more than 35 games there in his career, so it wasn't just accumulation of games played for Columbus. - Monkeypunk
Montembault had a very good season last year. Was one of the best in the league vs high danger scoring chances... but the team in front of him was dreadful so his save % and GAA don't look great.
He obviously needs to prove he can sustain that level again this year, which is far from a given. That's why I put him with "the rest" as they all have obvious flaws/inconsistency issues.
And to add to your point on Korpisalo, let's not forget he hasn't played more than 33 games since the 20-21 season.... it's a big gamble by Ottawa.
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
Oct 12 @ 9:49 AM ET
To be fair to Campbell last night, he wasn't really terrible or anything. On the 1st goal guy got in behind the D and beat him. It happens. On the 2nd, Nurse with a screen on his own goalie that would make Holl blush. And the third and 4th goals one was knocked in out of the air and the other took maybe the most ridiculous bounce off a foot that you'll see.
Had some unfortunate luck, that's for sure. - GreatGigInTheSky
I haven't seen the game so you're probably right.
At the same time, you need your goaltender to save a goal once in a while. Even Allen did it yesterday despite giving away two soft goals.
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON Joined: 06.27.2013
Oct 12 @ 9:55 AM ET
While I agree with you that this D corps will not cut it, I was actually impressed by Klingberg last night. There were a few times were he skated the puck up the ice - calmly, head up, made good decisions with the puck. - Atomic Wedgie
He's another giveth and taketh away player. I liked a lot of what he did with the puck as well and I didn't actually see any grievous giveaways or errors _with_ the puck. His play off the puck was poor. He was too far from the puck on most occasions and even on that partial 2 on 1, played it with the poise and grace of Morgan Rielly trying not to scuff his stick. It looked like a flamingo doing a poke check. Don Cherry was probably redder than his suit - which I simply presume he wears in his living room while watching hockey and yelling at things. I am not judging. This sounds like a good life to me.
But I digress.
My point is that Klingberg can't play defense. He might be better at offense than Tyson Barrie was, but he is not really any better (and might be worse) than Barrie was and when you already have guys like Rielly and Liljegren and Timmins, who are great WITH the puck, but are not so great without it, the inclusion of a Klingberg is completely unnecessary - in my humble opinion.
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON Joined: 06.22.2015
Oct 12 @ 9:57 AM ET
In our beer league, if we're leading by more than 5 goals, we usually take it easy so we don't anger some bumhole on the other side and someone gets injured.
But in professional hockey? Score as much as you want. - Scabeh
I'm inclined to agree with that exception.
I stopped playing in beer leagues because of all of the fragile egos and dudes who played as if every game was Stanley Cup Finals Game 7.
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
Oct 12 @ 9:57 AM ET
He's another giveth and taketh away player. I liked a lot of what he did with the puck as well and I didn't actually see any grievous giveaways or errors _with_ the puck. His play off the puck was poor. He was too far from the puck on most occasions and even on that partial 2 on 1, played it with the poise and grace of Morgan Rielly trying not to scuff his stick. It looked like a flamingo doing a poke check. Don Cherry was probably redder than his suit - which I simply presume he wears in his living room while watching hockey and yelling at things. I am not judging. This sounds like a good life to me.
But I digress.
My point is that Klingberg can't play defense. He might be better at offense than Tyson Barrie was, but he is not really any better (and might be worse) than Barrie was and when you already have guys like Rielly and Liljegren and Timmins, who are great WITH the puck, but are not so great without it, the inclusion of a Klingberg is completely unnecessary - in my humble opinion. - Monkeypunk
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON Joined: 06.22.2015
Oct 12 @ 10:03 AM ET
He's another giveth and taketh away player. I liked a lot of what he did with the puck as well and I didn't actually see any grievous giveaways or errors _with_ the puck. His play off the puck was poor. He was too far from the puck on most occasions and even on that partial 2 on 1, played it with the poise and grace of Morgan Rielly trying not to scuff his stick. It looked like a flamingo doing a poke check. Don Cherry was probably redder than his suit - which I simply presume he wears in his living room while watching hockey and yelling at things. I am not judging. This sounds like a good life to me.
But I digress.
My point is that Klingberg can't play defense. He might be better at offense than Tyson Barrie was, but he is not really any better (and might be worse) than Barrie was and when you already have guys like Rielly and Liljegren and Timmins, who are great WITH the puck, but are not so great without it, the inclusion of a Klingberg is completely unnecessary - in my humble opinion. - Monkeypunk
Ehh, it's Game 1. Klingberg deserves some time to see if can adapt to the system.
A system, I might add, that the entire team needs to adapt to: the so-called "Hybrid" which could benefit players who are less skilled defensively.
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON Joined: 06.27.2013
Oct 12 @ 10:04 AM ET
Had to search this up in a private window so that I don't ruin my YouTube playlist with this abomination. - GreatGigInTheSky
The word was that they were going to have a few goal songs - different ones for original six matchups, the kids game, and so on. I believe the article I read suggested about 4 different songs. So while we will be unfortunately subjected to this a fair bit when we play Ottawa and Montreal, hopefully there's a better song for the other games (although if this was a winner, it doesn't bode well for the selection process).
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON Joined: 06.22.2015
Oct 12 @ 10:05 AM ET
The word was that they were going to have a few goal songs - different ones for original six matchups, the kids game, and so on. I believe the article I read suggested about 4 different songs. So while we will be unfortunately subjected to this a fair bit when we play Ottawa and Montreal, hopefully there's a better song for the other games (although if this was a winner, it doesn't bode well for the selection process). - Monkeypunk
I wonder if the players had their input on song selection? I imagine - I hope - they did.
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
Oct 12 @ 10:07 AM ET
He's another giveth and taketh away player. I liked a lot of what he did with the puck as well and I didn't actually see any grievous giveaways or errors _with_ the puck. His play off the puck was poor. He was too far from the puck on most occasions and even on that partial 2 on 1, played it with the poise and grace of Morgan Rielly trying not to scuff his stick. It looked like a flamingo doing a poke check. Don Cherry was probably redder than his suit - which I simply presume he wears in his living room while watching hockey and yelling at things. I am not judging. This sounds like a good life to me.
But I digress.
My point is that Klingberg can't play defense. He might be better at offense than Tyson Barrie was, but he is not really any better (and might be worse) than Barrie was and when you already have guys like Rielly and Liljegren and Timmins, who are great WITH the puck, but are not so great without it, the inclusion of a Klingberg is completely unnecessary - in my humble opinion. - Monkeypunk
Watching Klingberg do the things you pointed out, completely confirmed my thoughts about how I would feel watching Karlsson with the Leafs.
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
Oct 12 @ 10:09 AM ET
He's another giveth and taketh away player. I liked a lot of what he did with the puck as well and I didn't actually see any grievous giveaways or errors _with_ the puck. His play off the puck was poor. He was too far from the puck on most occasions and even on that partial 2 on 1, played it with the poise and grace of Morgan Rielly trying not to scuff his stick. It looked like a flamingo doing a poke check. Don Cherry was probably redder than his suit - which I simply presume he wears in his living room while watching hockey and yelling at things. I am not judging. This sounds like a good life to me.
But I digress.
My point is that Klingberg can't play defense. He might be better at offense than Tyson Barrie was, but he is not really any better (and might be worse) than Barrie was and when you already have guys like Rielly and Liljegren and Timmins, who are great WITH the puck, but are not so great without it, the inclusion of a Klingberg is completely unnecessary - in my humble opinion. - Monkeypunk
We knew this when he signed though.
He was brought in for back end offense, we knew his defense was suss. From what i saw last night, he looked good.
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
Oct 12 @ 10:10 AM ET
Rush would've been a great pick.
But I still would've kept it as it was, because it was a perfect goal song.
But I think a big problem with picking a Toronto song, is that they could (probably (frank)ing would) pick an awful Drake or The Weekend song. - GreatGigInTheSky
Location: Corn Pop was a bad dude, AB Joined: 06.29.2006
Oct 12 @ 10:11 AM ET
Rush would've been a great pick.
But I still would've kept it as it was, because it was a perfect goal song.
But I think a big problem with picking a Toronto song, is that they could (probably (frank)ing would) pick an awful Drake or The Weekend song. - GreatGigInTheSky
