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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 18 @ 4:45 PM ET
This coming from the guy that pegged Podkolzin in the top 6 at one point. There's bigger problems with this team than Myers, getting rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him isn't gonna solve them. But feel free to pile on me for trying to point that out.

I thought he played poorly last game BTW. But then tell me who didn't besides Demko.

- Load Management


Your reading skills are as bad as you assessment of players. For the fifteenth time I will tell you.

This time I will even type slowly so you can catch up.


I said he will be top six that year because he will beat out Jake Virtanen and Loui Eriksson out of their spot. He did that.

I said he would score about 8 to 12 goals and 25 points. He did that too. I said he was strong on the puck , he was. I said he has a good shot, he did.

Everything I said he would do in his first year he did.




Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Oct 18 @ 4:55 PM ET
Your reading skills are as bad as you assessment of players. For the fifteenth time I will tell you.

This time I will even type slowly so you can catch up.


I said he will be top six that year because he will beat out Jake Virtanen and Loui Eriksson out of their spot. He did that.

I said he would score about 8 to 12 goals and 25 points. He did that too. I said he was strong on the puck , he was. I said he has a good shot, he did.

Everything I said he would do in his first year he did.

- VANTEL


Rich.

Here I'll join in with some of the in depth analysis of the last few days. Myers sux because he's the Chaos Giraffe.

Better?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 18 @ 4:56 PM ET
Rich.

Here I'll join in with some of the better analysis of the last few days. Myers sux because he's the Chaos Giraffe.

Better?

- Load Management


It is a start.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Oct 18 @ 5:02 PM ET
Friedman says he thinks with the Schenn injury they are no longer in the Garland sweeps. Supposedly it was a trade for Fabro but they need him now.
- VANTEL

They can have Myers free, we'll even retain.
Load Management
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Oct 18 @ 5:11 PM ET
They can have Myers free, we'll even retain.
- Retinalz


Why?
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 18 @ 5:12 PM ET
They can have Myers free, we'll even retain.
- Retinalz

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 18 @ 5:22 PM ET
Why?
- Load Management


This is going to be a drawn out answer but here is a possibility.

It is hard to find a ready now Dman RHD and you either need to draft them or trade for them. Canucks do not have enough cap to acquire a decent RHD as it is. Moving Garland should give them about 1.5 mil in space. Not enough.

If they trade for one then they skip the 3 years to develop them.

Moving Myers at half retention gives them about 4.5 mil ( with Garlands) this year in space which is about the cost of Nighthawks boy Pesce. Pesce wants about 7 mil per for 7 years. It would cost you a first a second round pick but it would save you three years of watching players like Myers and Juulsen.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014

Oct 18 @ 5:27 PM ET
He's been having to defend from the other team and Myers at the same time, cut him come slack.
- NewYorkNuck


He plays with Hronek. Myers has better stats than him, but nice try.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 18 @ 5:38 PM ET
https://twitter.com/Evolv...M9eEEQ3SK34M9O1hRw5g&s=19

Better structure, improved defence, improved bottom 6. I don't think anyone can argue that, not even the stats guys.

So is there still the same problem as when Rutherford arrived... culture and bad practice habits?
Load Management
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Oct 18 @ 5:51 PM ET
This is going to be a drawn out answer but here is a possibility.

It is hard to find a ready now Dman RHD and you either need to draft them or trade for them. Canucks do not have enough cap to acquire a decent RHD as it is. Moving Garland should give them about 1.5 mil in space. Not enough.

If they trade for one then they skip the 3 years to develop them.

Moving Myers at half retention gives them about 4.5 mil ( with Garlands) this year in space which is about the cost of Nighthawks boy Pesce. Pesce wants about 7 mil per for 7 years. It would cost you a first a second round pick but it would save you three years of watching players like Myers and Juulsen.

- VANTEL


I still think you boys will have to wait until closer to the TDL. It's a better market then for a RHD on an expiring contract.

Let's not also forget that huge amount of dead cap looming from OEL and the need to sign Petey. That's gonna hinder things as far as how much money they can throw at Myers replacement.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 18 @ 5:55 PM ET
I still think you boys will have to wait until closer to the TDL. It's a better market then for a RHD on an expiring contract.

Let's not also forget that huge amount of dead cap looming from OEL and the need to sign Petey. That's gonna hinder things as far as how much money they can throw at Myers replacement.

- Load Management

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 18 @ 6:05 PM ET
I still think you boys will have to wait until closer to the TDL. It's a better market then for a RHD on an expiring contract.

Let's not also forget that huge amount of dead cap looming from OEL and the need to sign Petey. That's gonna hinder things as far as how much money they can throw at Myers replacement.

- Load Management


Top heavy. I just did a CF ACGM to see if it would fit and that included Petey @ 11.8 for five years and Pesce and Hronek around 7.5 long term. It works.

I am not saying this is going to happen seeing only they know what they are thinking but I can see something like that happening.

Canucks have been active in the trade market and we are only three games in. I think they are on a full tilt to make the playoffs and fix things immediately so I am not sure Myers will be here at TDL.

It may not be Pesce the target but I think they have someone in mind and Garland is needed before another move to follow.
Load Management
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Oct 18 @ 6:16 PM ET
Top heavy. I just did a CF ACGM to see if it would fit and that included Petey @ 11.8 for five years and Pesce and Hronek around 7.5 long term. It works.

I am not saying this is going to happen seeing only they know what they are thinking but I can see something like that happening.

Canucks have been active in the trade market and we are only three games in. I think they are on a full tilt to make the playoffs and fix things immediately so I am not sure Myers will be here at TDL.

It may not be Pesce the target but I think they have someone in mind and Garland is needed before another move to follow.

- VANTEL


After 3 games, bottom pairing and 7 and 8 D has to be a bigger concern. To me, that's what they seem to be addressing.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 18 @ 6:18 PM ET
After 3 games, bottom pairing and 7 and 8 D has to be a bigger concern. To me, that's what they seem to be addressing.
- Load Management


Yes that is what we are referring to Myers and Juulsen.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 18 @ 7:16 PM ET
Top heavy. I just did a CF ACGM to see if it would fit and that included Petey @ 11.8 for five years and Pesce and Hronek around 7.5 long term. It works.

I am not saying this is going to happen seeing only they know what they are thinking but I can see something like that happening.

Canucks have been active in the trade market and we are only three games in. I think they are on a full tilt to make the playoffs and fix things immediately so I am not sure Myers will be here at TDL.

It may not be Pesce the target but I think they have someone in mind and Garland is needed before another move to follow.

- VANTEL


Why does it seem like Canuck management have difficulty getting value for our players/picks? I just took a look at Brian Burke's trades as a Canuck GM and the majority of outcomes definitely favored the Canucks.

https://www.nhltradetrack...t_by_GM/Brian_Burke/189/1

Since Brian, it seems like mostly misses (or maybe that's my clouded impression).
Load Management
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Oct 18 @ 7:32 PM ET
Yes that is what we are referring to Myers and Juulsen.

- VANTEL


Juulsen yes. Myers eats harder minutes in the top 4 and PK. Juulsen is far cheaper and easier to replace because he isn't capable of moving up the D charts, or playing those types of minutes and match ups. I think they'll get a decent return for Myers if they're patient.

And yes, I know you're just messing with me. As I am with you.
Load Management
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Oct 18 @ 7:38 PM ET
Why does it seem like Canuck management have difficulty getting value for our players/picks? I just took a look at Brian Burke's trades as a Canuck GM and the majority of outcomes definitely favored the Canucks.

https://www.nhltradetrack...t_by_GM/Brian_Burke/189/1

Since Brian, it seems like mostly misses (or maybe that's my clouded impression).

- bloatedmosquito


We were always hunting for that stellar #1 Goalie with Burke.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014

Oct 18 @ 7:56 PM ET
Juulsen yes. Myers eats harder minutes in the top 4 and PK. Juulsen is far cheaper and easier to replace because he isn't capable of moving up the D charts, or playing those types of minutes and match ups. I think they'll get a decent return for Myers if they're patient.

And yes, I know you're just messing with me. As I am with you.

- Load Management


So apparently Friedman says part of his game is to try a piss people off. Shouldn’t take too long in here.
Willander can’t be ready soon enough.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 18 @ 8:31 PM ET
Mark Friedman

"Playing a hard-nosed game and using my skating ability to help break out pucks and get back to pucks as quick as I can. And play a quick transition game."

“I love pissing people off on the other team and that’s one of my strengths”

- VanHockeyGuy

Feisty lil effer lol
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 18 @ 8:32 PM ET
I think Garland will be traded before noon tomorrow so they can insert Mikheyev who is suffering with a cap issue injury into the line up.
- VANTEL

Rather a pick back for the elf.
Miky in & Bains 1st call up.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 18 @ 8:35 PM ET
This is going to be a drawn out answer but here is a possibility.

It is hard to find a ready now Dman RHD and you either need to draft them or trade for them. Canucks do not have enough cap to acquire a decent RHD as it is. Moving Garland should give them about 1.5 mil in space. Not enough.

If they trade for one then they skip the 3 years to develop them.

Moving Myers at half retention gives them about 4.5 mil ( with Garlands) this year in space which is about the cost of Nighthawks boy Pesce. Pesce wants about 7 mil per for 7 years. It would cost you a first a second round pick but it would save you three years of watching players like Myers and Juulsen.

- VANTEL

👍👍
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 18 @ 8:37 PM ET
So apparently Friedman says part of his game is to try a piss people off. Shouldn’t take too long in here.
Willander can’t be ready soon enough.

- K-man25

https://twitter.com/hall1...tatus/1714795963334926374
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 18 @ 8:37 PM ET
Rather a pick back for the elf.
Miky in & Bains 1st call up.

- Nighthawk

Give all the baby CAncuks a look and some idea where their game needs to be at.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 18 @ 8:39 PM ET
Juulsen yes. Myers eats harder minutes in the top 4 and PK. Juulsen is far cheaper and easier to replace because he isn't capable of moving up the D charts, or playing those types of minutes and match ups. I think they'll get a decent return for Myers if they're patient.

And yes, I know you're just messing with me. As I am with you.

- Load Management

Other than the PK Myers is horrible in the top 4 5v5. Need a true top 4 RHD.
Load Management
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Oct 18 @ 8:45 PM ET
Other than the PK Myers is horrible in the top 4 5v5. Need a true top 4 RHD.
- Nighthawk


Umm, check the stats as they agree with what I've been seeing. He's had 1 bad game this year as did the rest of the team. His 5 on 5 is fine so far. I'm more worried about Cole and Soucy.
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