From www.sportsnet.ca box score. It didn't look so crowded.

VENUE
Wells Fargo Center
CITY
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
REFEREES
Kyle Rehman, Brandon Blandina
LINESMEN
Ryan Galloway, Jonny Murray
ATTENDANCE
18,883
- THE EVIL WITHIN

FWIW Thats tickets sold... includes STMs... and no shows count -- wonder how they counted the Flyers Swap Program ones -- The attending crowd was not nearly as small as some in the past couple years, but certainly not near 19K.

FWIW Thats tickets sold... includes STMs... and no shows count -- wonder how they counted the Flyers Swap Program ones -- The attending crowd was not nearly as small as some in the past couple years, but certainly not near 19K.
- ForeverFlyer16

I expect us to get creamed tonight unless whoever starts in net for Edmonton lays an egg which is a 50/50 shot. Haha

BS, Flyers fans have no clue what patience is because the Flyers have been good to decent for 45 of their 55 years in the league. In the past 55 years they have the third most wins in the league, they’ve been to the cup finals eight times, more than any other team except Montreal and Boston, three times in the 70’s, three times in the 80’s, once in the 90’s and in 2010.

Since 2010 they made the playoffs six times, everyone acts like we’ve been bottom feeders for decades, which is complete BS. Have they been cup contenders, no, but the tears in here are laughable. The Flyers have been a very competitive franchise for most of their history, the past five years have been crap but they’re trying to change that.

2019/2020 they had 41 wins in 69 games, a .645 winning percentage. Yes they haven’t won the cup since 1975 but the notion it’s been a bag of shit is a completely false narrative.
- Dave21Brown

This is true for the most part. It really cracks me up when people say that the Flyers have sucked for 45 years cause they haven't won a Cup. We were fortunate to have season tickets from 1985 thru 2005 and saw lots of good hockey. There were some heartbreaks in there as well cause they never quite got over the hump, but the reality is that only one team is left standing at the end of the season. Although I actually think it's been a decade (11 years?) since they have been competitive. They haven't won a playoff series since 2012 (I don't count that win against the Habs in 2020 cause they wouldn't have been in the playoffs that year) and the past few years have been pretty dreadful.

It's on my Twitter feed. Short version that I would think a player leading a team in scoring the latter 2/3 of last season and then leading again in the preseason would have earned him more leeway than two games although neither the CBJ nor OTT games were good ones for him (no one was good in Ottawa), Tippett struggled worse and Brink was an offensive black hole in the same two games (one shot attempt). But it is what it is.

Seems like he will be back in the lineup tomorrow.
- Bill Meltzer

I would like to see Frost stay in the lineup, but I also want to see Brink and Foerster in the game. Maybe on the stat sheet Brink is a black hole as you say with no points, but anyone watching the game can clearly see Brink is creating scoring chances almost every time he is on the ice. Here is a comparison of the two players in a few key stats other than goals and assists, which both are at 0 currently.

High Danger Chances For %
Brink: 70%
Frost: 16%

Corsi For %
Brink: 60%
Frost: 44%

Expected Goals For %
Brink: 74%
Frost: 25%

Seems to me based on these indicators, Brink should never leave the Flyers lineup again, while Frost has some work to do to stay in the lineup. BTW, Brink is on the top line while Frost is playing on the 3rd line where he should be dominating the opposition. Instead Frost is being out-possessed and hardly generating any scoring chances! Frost needs to play better as Torts has stated!

This is true for the most part. It really cracks me up when people say that the Flyers have sucked for 45 years cause they haven't won a Cup. We were fortunate to have season tickets from 1985 thru 2005 and saw lots of good hockey. There were some heartbreaks in there as well cause they never quite got over the hump, but the reality is that only one team is left standing at the end of the season. Although I actually think it's been a decade (11 years?) since they have been competitive. They haven't won a playoff series since 2012 (I don't count that win against the Habs in 2020 cause they wouldn't have been in the playoffs that year) and the past few years have been pretty dreadful.
- Phillywhiteout

The Flyers have only really sucked the last 10 years, all under the leadership of Dave Scott who is now gone. Things will get better now.

BS, Flyers fans have no clue what patience is because the Flyers have been good to decent for 45 of their 55 years in the league. In the past 55 years they have the third most wins in the league, they’ve been to the cup finals eight times, more than any other team except Montreal and Boston, three times in the 70’s, three times in the 80’s, once in the 90’s and in 2010.

Since 2010 they made the playoffs six times, everyone acts like we’ve been bottom feeders for decades, which is complete BS. Have they been cup contenders, no, but the tears in here are laughable. The Flyers have been a very competitive franchise for most of their history, the past five years have been crap but they’re trying to change that.

2019/2020 they had 41 wins in 69 games, a .645 winning percentage. Yes they haven’t won the cup since 1975 but the notion it’s been a bag of shit is a completely false narrative.
- Dave21Brown

No, actually you're floating the false narrative. As if in the current climate, a Flyers fan is going to think, well the Flyers were great in 1985 or that they went to the finals 13 years ago! Most of their history doesn't matter. It's been a bag of poop and they haven't been a legit contender for over a decade. What you floated is the actual BS

Tortorella hasn't learned by now, he never will. I pray for a modern day coach who doesn't believe that scratching young players or playing them with muckers and grinders is the way to develop a player. Maybe someday, the Flyers will move into the present day.
- MJL

You're right, Tippet and Atkinson are muckers and grinders ... A modern day coach looks at analytics, so see my previous post and try to make a real case as to why Frost should stay in the lineup. Torts is right, Frost needs to play not only better, but MUCH better! This is not last year, the Flyers have some good young(er) forwards trying to kick down the door, and if Frost thinks he can come in here and coast, he is in for a hard fall.

I would like to see Frost stay in the lineup, but I also want to see Brink and Foerster in the game. Maybe on the stat sheet Brink is a black hole as you say with no points, but anyone watching the game can clearly see Brink is creating scoring chances almost every time he is on the ice. Here is a comparison of the two players in a few key stats other than goals and assists, which both are at 0 currently.

High Danger Chances For %
Brink: 70%
Frost: 16%

Corsi For %
Brink: 60%
Frost: 44%

Expected Goals For %
Brink: 74%
Frost: 25%

Seems to me based on these indicators, Brink should never leave the Flyers lineup again, while Frost has some work to do to stay in the lineup. BTW, Brink is on the top line while Frost is playing on the 3rd line where he should be dominating the opposition. Instead Frost is being out-possessed and hardly generating any scoring chances! Frost needs to play better as Torts has stated!
- jd250

It's amazing that people seem to not get this. Torts wants Frost to engage more. It's that simple. I'm not comparing Frost to Bedard, but the thing I notice most about Bedard (besides his obvious skills) is the fact that he is ALWAYS around the puck. He's a small guy in stature, but there he is all the time in the middle of the play. Frost plays a perimeter game most nights and that ain't gonna get it done. Torts is probably harder on Frost cause he sees the ability, but he just isn't using it to it's full potential. I wonder if the Flyers will go after Pinto for Frost?

No, actually you're floating the false narrative. As if in the current climate, a Flyers fan is going to think, well the Flyers were great in 1985 or that they went to the finals 13 years ago! Most of their history doesn't matter. It's been a bag of poop and they haven't been a legit contender for over a decade. What you floated is the actual BS
- MJL

God you’re a depressing human being.

You're right, Tippet and Atkinson are muckers and grinders ... A modern day coach looks at analytics, so see my previous post and try to make a real case as to why Frost should stay in the lineup. Torts is right, Frost needs to play not only better, but MUCH better! This is not last year, the Flyers have some good young(er) forwards trying to kick down the door, and if Frost thinks he can come in here and coast, he is in for a hard fall.
- jd250

Obviously you didn't get that the muckers and grinders part was talking about the past. Tortorella is absolutely right that Frost has to play better. What Tortorella is wrong about is scratching him after two games played and singling him out when he is not the only player who needs to play better. Frost has never coasted in his entire pro career. He has overcome every obstacle put in his place. Including poor coaching and a major injury.

It's amazing that people seem to not get this. Torts wants Frost to engage more. It's that simple. I'm not comparing Frost to Bedard, but the thing I notice most about Bedard (besides his obvious skills) is the fact that he is ALWAYS around the puck. He's a small guy in stature, but there he is all the time in the middle of the play. Frost plays a perimeter game most nights and that ain't gonna get it done. Torts is probably harder on Frost cause he sees the ability, but he just isn't using it to it's full potential. I wonder if the Flyers will go after Pinto for Frost?
- Phillywhiteout

It's amazing that people seem to not get that Frost led the team in scoring over a 5 month period and led the team overall in ES scoring for the season last year. But yea, he doesn't engage. A player who plays a perimeter game, doesn't do that. That's what you don't get.

No, actually you're floating the false narrative. As if in the current climate, a Flyers fan is going to think, well the Flyers were great in 1985 or that they went to the finals 13 years ago! Most of their history doesn't matter. It's been a bag of poop and they haven't been a legit contender for over a decade. What you floated is the actual BS
- MJL

Remember when people here used to criticize you for being too much of a homer?

Remember when people here used to criticize you for being too much of a homer?
- Dkos

I sure do. I call it as I see it. Right or wrong or good or bad.

Obviously you didn't get that the muckers and grinders part was talking about the past. Tortorella is absolutely right that Frost has to play better. What Tortorella is wrong about is scratching him after two games played and singling him out when he is not the only player who needs to play better. Frost has never coasted in his entire pro career. He has overcome every obstacle put in his place. Including poor coaching and a major injury.
- MJL

You know, this may be very unfair of me because I have never met Frost nor do I know anyone that knows him well. But, I have watched several recent interviews with Frost and honestly, if I were a Flyers scout and I interviewed Frost, I would have steered miles away from him. He seems very timid to me, soft-spoken in the way he talks and his mannerisms. I wonder if that translates to his personality on the ice also, where he really has to do what is otherwise unnatural for him to do. I don't know, probably sounding more stupid than usual here, but it's always something that has bothered me about Frost. He doesn't come across as an assertive person and I think that translates to the ice.

But I really want to get to the real problem on this team, the freaking Power Play. It's absolutely embarrassing right now, and it's been this way for the past 3 seasons. I think in this case it's the coaching, because I think the Flyers have enough talent up front to have at least a middle of the pack Powerplay. I like Rocky Thompson, but we are now going on a 2nd season where the Flyers can't even enter the offensive zone cleanly and even when they do, they are over-passing looking for the perfect play. I really think the Flyers should bring in a PP consultant to augment their staff and at least show some competence with the man advantage.

You know, this may be very unfair of me because I have never met Frost nor do I know anyone that knows him well. But, I have watched several recent interviews with Frost and honestly, if I were a Flyers scout and I interviewed Frost, I would have steered miles away from him. He seems very timid to me, soft-spoken in the way he talks and his mannerisms. I wonder if that translates to his personality on the ice also, where he really has to do what is otherwise unnatural for him to do. I don't know, probably sounding more stupid than usual here, but it's always something that has bothered me about Frost. He doesn't come across as an assertive person and I think that translates to the ice.
- jd250

I just don't get why Frost is so hated. I really don't. He made it through major injury and the Flyers development system to have a very nice first full season in the NHL. He is only 24 years old. He should be applauded for making it through that gauntlet.

It's been two games and people want him traded. He will produce points. It will not be every night. Torts and some folks on here need to learn to live with that.

This is true for the most part. It really cracks me up when people say that the Flyers have sucked for 45 years cause they haven't won a Cup. We were fortunate to have season tickets from 1985 thru 2005 and saw lots of good hockey. There were some heartbreaks in there as well cause they never quite got over the hump, but the reality is that only one team is left standing at the end of the season. Although I actually think it's been a decade (11 years?) since they have been competitive. They haven't won a playoff series since 2012 (I don't count that win against the Habs in 2020 cause they wouldn't have been in the playoffs that year) and the past few years have been pretty dreadful.
- Phillywhiteout

Since the 2005 lockout and the introduction of the salary cap they have only had one really good playoff run, and that was a season where they needed a miracle just to make the payoffs after finishing with the 19th= best record in a 30 team league!

If they had fluked a Cup in 2010 with an AHL goalie in net that would been awesome, and really changed the feeling around the team, but they didn't.

You know, this may be very unfair of me because I have never met Frost nor do I know anyone that knows him well. But, I have watched several recent interviews with Frost and honestly, if I were a Flyers scout and I interviewed Frost, I would have steered miles away from him. He seems very timid to me, soft-spoken in the way he talks and his mannerisms. I wonder if that translates to his personality on the ice also, where he really has to do what is otherwise unnatural for him to do. I don't know, probably sounding more stupid than usual here, but it's always something that has bothered me about Frost. He doesn't come across as an assertive person and I think that translates to the ice.
- jd250

No, that's way below unfair. It's just flat out asinine. Most NHL players are laid back. Ever watch a Sean Couturier interview. Very low key and laid back. All of your comments and opinions on Frost have been ridiculous. How does a player who is not assertive lead the team in ES scoring for the season and in total scoring for a 5 month period?

By the way, what happened to your stance on analytics and how they're garbage. How you have to watch the game? That sure changes depending on who you want to discuss.

I just don't get why Frost is so hated. I really don't. He made it through major injury and the Flyers development system to have a very nice first full season in the NHL. He is only 24 years old. He should be applauded for making it through that gauntlet.

It's been two games and people want him traded. He will produce points. It will not be every night. Torts and some folks on here need to learn to live with that.
- mickel25

It's weird, cause they apparently can live with Cates and Tippett having zero points from six games, and also from Cates struggling defensively in limited minutes now that Couturier is back getting a ton of time against the other team's best players.

No, that's way below unfair. It's just flat out asinine. Most NHL players are laid back. Ever watch a Sean Couturier interview. Very low key and laid back. All of your comments and opinions on Frost have been ridiculous.
- MJL

"Couturier is too slow and too timid to ever be more than a 30 point 3C"

-Typical HockeyBuzz moron circa 2015

Since the 2005 lockout and the introduction of the salary cap they have only had one really good playoff run, and that was a season where they needed a miracle just to make the payoffs after finishing with the 19th= best record in a 30 team league!

If they had fluked a Cup in 2010 with an AHL goalie in net that would been awesome, and really changed the feeling around the team, but they didn't.
- Feanor

That has been and is the issue. The Flyers are stuck in the old ways. Stuck in the way they did things under Ed Snider. They've never adapted to the modern day NHL and how you have to operate under the salary cap. How players have to be handled and developed now. There are some recent signs that some of that is changing but they still have Tortorella as the coach and a huge influence on the GM.

You're right, Tippet and Atkinson are muckers and grinders ... A modern day coach looks at analytics
- jd250

The Flyers don't have one of those. They have a wizened old man who can't see past his irrational grudges.

It's weird, cause they apparently can live with Cates and Tippett having zero points from six games, and also from Cates struggling defensively in limited minutes now that Couturier is back getting a ton of time against the other team's best players.
- Feanor

I agree. I want them all to be good. I want them all to play this year. That's all I really want to see this season. Clearly Torts is trying to win games. That is commendable. But that should not be the primary goal this season.

I agree. I want them all to be good. I want them all to play this year. That's all I really want to see this season. Clearly Torts is trying to win games. That is commendable. But that should not be the primary goal this season.
- mickel25

Forget Frost for a minute. It's objectively ridiculous than Andrae and Zamula are on the team and not playing every game while 30-somethings Seeler and Staal are.

The Flyers have only really sucked the last 10 years, all under the leadership of Dave Scott who is now gone. Things will get better now.
- jd250

based on what? super fan hilferty?