Frost scratched again, LOL

Lineup posted?
- ClaudeFather

Zamula and Frost sit. Hart in net again.

Frost scratched again, LOL
- wcorvette

Shouldn’t they have figured out the lineup before the season started? Isn’t that what the preseason is for?

Shouldn’t they have figured out the lineup before the season started? Isn’t that what the preseason is for?
- Dkos

Still having tryouts. Flyers are revolutionizing what a rebuild is. In the same way they revolutionized the position of President of Hockey Ops. So much so that no serious candidate was interested in the job. It's cutting edge stuff on the forefront.

No, that's way below unfair. It's just flat out asinine. Most NHL players are laid back. Ever watch a Sean Couturier interview. Very low key and laid back. All of your comments and opinions on Frost have been ridiculous. How does a player who is not assertive lead the team in ES scoring for the season and in total scoring for a 5 month period?

By the way, what happened to your stance on analytics and how they're garbage. How you have to watch the game? That sure changes depending on who you want to discuss.
- MJL

I said most of the analytics are trash, not all the analytics. I am actually a very numbers person in my life and in my job, so I do value data as a means to back up what I am perceiving. In this case I perceived that Frost was struggling to start the season, and the metrics that I think are good indicators supported that perception. For example, it has been state that Frost is not the only player struggling, that Tippet has been bad also. However if you look at Tippet's numbers, they are also well above Frost's.

Tippets CF%: 51%, xGF%: 45%, HDCF%: 50%

Always pretending not to be blackjackmulligan on HFB is really weird. Everyone knows it's you, dude.
- Feanor

dude. talk about Cates some more.

What I favored is the Flyers completely altering course under Hextall. Even if the execution wasn't completely there, he did a lot of good things. I supported the change to focusing on drafting and development and cleaning up the cap. Building up the prospect base. I will always support that 100%.
- MJL

did more bad than good cliff. defend to the end. always entertaining.

drafting and development isn't a plan cliff. hos drafting is/was very suspect.

I said most of the analytics are trash, not all the analytics. I am actually a very numbers person in my life and in my job, so I do value data as a means to back up what I am perceiving. In this case I perceived that Frost was struggling to start the season, and the metrics that I think are good indicators supported that perception. For example, it has been state that Frost is not the only player struggling, that Tippet has been bad also. However if you look at Tippet's numbers, they are also well above Frost's.

Tippets CF%: 51%, xGF%: 45%, HDCF%: 50%
- jd250

LMAO. The same basic numbers you supplied are the ones that you've objected to. After two games, which are the only two games Frost had played. Tippett had worse numbers than Frost. Tippet's numbers went up after the Vancouver game. Which Frost did not play in. Your words that you're a "numbers" person are hollow and unsupported in reality. The very fact that you used an unbalanced sample, shows that you are not a "numbers" person

upon further review, being an optimist maybe Frost out is a good thing. If the Flyers get toasted, even Torts hate for the guy can't stop him from being in the next game.


In all seriousness, I get that they played a good game so why change it up, but foot speed and quickness will be important tonight. Easy as hell to sit ND, drop Laughton to the 4th line, make that line faster with more skill, then add Frost. Easy to sit Staal and leave Zam in. Ice a better skating, more skilled team, and get the younger players reps vs 2 of the best in the world.

They are counting on Tip to skate it in the zone, Tip has been handling the puck like a grenade. I would not change that for now, 3 games in, give it some time. They need some confidence once they are set up and the need to have a real threat in the slot. I like the low setup, assume they want to create lanes to get the puck in the slot, just njo bumper there, except the 5v3 that TK converted. Again a spot where you put your most creative player on PP1, that is Frost, but when in, he gets sparing seconds on the PP. I actually like Torts but the man has ZERO patience and if does not like you, the word patience does not exist .
- wcorvette

I like Torts to but you are right, once he doesn't like you its next to impossible to change his mind. I think the best thing for Frost is to get traded, but that won't happen if he is not in the lineup! Also, I think Torts is showing stubbornness with the PP. He must realize he has the talent on the team to have at least a decent PP and that the PP to date is a disaster, and for that you have to look at the coaching. Unless Torts is a PP genius, which I am pretty sure he is not, he has to admit that Rocky Thompson is under-achieving in this area and he needs to bring in another voice and another set of eyes. That is what I would do if I were coaching the team, because in the end my job is to win games. No one asks how, they only ask how many.

Frost scratched again, LOL
- wcorvette

Please just trade him at this point. What a farce.

upon further review, being an optimist maybe Frost out is a good thing. If the Flyers get toasted, even Torts hate for the guy can't stop him from being in the next game.


In all seriousness, I get that they played a good game so why change it up, but foot speed and quickness will be important tonight. Easy as hell to sit ND, drop Laughton to the 4th line, make that line faster with more skill, then add Frost. Easy to sit Staal and leave Zam in. Ice a better skating, more skilled team, and get the younger players reps vs 2 of the best in the world.
- wcorvette

there is zero reason to scratch Zamula. Rebuilding baby.

upon further review, being an optimist maybe Frost out is a good thing. If the Flyers get toasted, even Torts hate for the guy can't stop him from being in the next game.


In all seriousness, I get that they played a good game so why change it up, but foot speed and quickness will be important tonight. Easy as hell to sit ND, drop Laughton to the 4th line, make that line faster with more skill, then add Frost. Easy to sit Staal and leave Zam in. Ice a better skating, more skilled team, and get the younger players reps vs 2 of the best in the world.
- wcorvette

If they are not going to play Andrae, they need to send him to the Phantoms. As long as the kid is playing, he will develop. Right now, he is doing nothing! I would sit ND also, but the problem is Laughton is not going to accept a 4th line role and 10 minutes a game. That is why to me the player the Flyers need to trade first is Laughton because he is a good & affordable player with value across the league, thus the Flyers will get a good return and will open up a top 9 forward spot so both Brink and Foerster can play and develop.

I like Torts to but you are right, once he doesn't like you its next to impossible to change his mind. I think the best thing for Frost is to get traded, but that won't happen if he is not in the lineup! Also, I think Torts is showing stubbornness with the PP. He must realize he has the talent on the team to have at least a decent PP and that the PP to date is a disaster, and for that you have to look at the coaching. Unless Torts is a PP genius, which I am pretty sure he is not, he has to admit that Rocky Thompson is under-achieving in this area and he needs to bring in another voice and another set of eyes. That is what I would do if I were coaching the team, because in the end my job is to win games. No one asks how, they only ask how many.
- jd250

it is one big contradiction, the PP is not working, so he puts out the same players getting the same results. Hey wait that is patience, but no patience to give Frost first PP reps and the time to work through it.

I like Torts to but you are right, once he doesn't like you its next to impossible to change his mind. I think the best thing for Frost is to get traded, but that won't happen if he is not in the lineup! Also, I think Torts is showing stubbornness with the PP. He must realize he has the talent on the team to have at least a decent PP and that the PP to date is a disaster, and for that you have to look at the coaching. Unless Torts is a PP genius, which I am pretty sure he is not, he has to admit that Rocky Thompson is under-achieving in this area and he needs to bring in another voice and another set of eyes. That is what I would do if I were coaching the team, because in the end my job is to win games. No one asks how, they only ask how many.
- jd250

torts all about accountability right?

Please just trade him at this point. What a farce.
- Tomahawk

He is not going to have much trade value if he is being scratched from a bottom dwelling team like the Flyers. The Flyers need to play him 18-20 minutes a night so he can build up value and then get traded for a decent return. Right now realistically what is a team going to give you for Frost, a 3rd or 4th round pick?

torts all about accountability right?
- hello it's me 2050

that is what he claims ...

it is one big contradiction, the PP is not working, so he puts out the same players getting the same results. Hey wait that is patience, but no patience to give Frost first PP reps and the time to work through it.
- wcorvette

Honestly I think Frost is taking the brunt of the blunder that was the Flyers not trading Laughton this off-season.

If they are not going to play Andrae, they need to send him to the Phantoms. As long as the kid is playing, he will develop. Right now, he is doing nothing! I would sit ND also, but the problem is Laughton is not going to accept a 4th line role and 10 minutes a game. That is why to me the player the Flyers need to trade first is Laughton because he is a good & affordable player with value across the league, thus the Flyers will get a good return and will open up a top 9 forward spot so both Brink and Foerster can play and develop.
- jd250

Now is not the time to trade Laughton. He should not be moved to the 4th line. Atkinson should.

Now is not the time to trade Laughton. He should not be moved to the 4th line. Atkinson should.
- MJL

why is not the time? Anytime is the right time as long as it is a good offer.

How soon before the co-GM has to intervene again? This is a complete joke.

Heading into the season, everyone outside the Cult of Tortorella rightfully had concerns about what players would be next on his poop list. Because with phony tough guys like Torts, there will always be players that he has conflict with.

It has taken two games for this to manifest. Briere needs to nip this in the bud now or trade the player before Torts torpedoes yet another players trade value.

How soon before the co-GM has to intervene again? This is a complete joke.
- StepfordSam

DB created the problem by bringing in Hathaway, Stahl, Poehling, and Walker

How soon before the co-GM has to intervene again? This is a complete joke.
- StepfordSam

This is very simple. Briere has to step in and set Toetorella straight. He can either play the kids or resign. Or be fired. If Briere is on board with this. He can go too! Same with Jones.

Tortorella " we're going to play the kids". 4 games into the season. How many young players have been scratched?

DB created the problem by bringing in Hathaway, Stahl, Poehling, and Walker
- Dkos

No issues with th RP signing