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mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Oct 19 @ 1:27 PM ET
I go to two games a year and I have watched 3 of 9 total periods this season. I also forgot the game on Saturday was an afternoon game.

I have watched more of the Senators and Oilers this season than the Flyers.

I am doing my part.

- mickel25


This is now 2 years in a row I have. It gone to the home opener after decades of making it a tradition. I’m not spending couple hundred dollars to watch the PHD line. If I were to spend that money I want to witness Brink, Forst, Foerester, Tippett, Andrae, Zemula, York potentially taking those next steps. I was to see if Cutter and Michkov are really stars in the making (granted a a few years away for MM). I don’t want to pay for a mediocre product that “though to play against” with not future eek out a 2-0 win or a 2-1 loss of all I’m gonna watch is Staal, Walker, Seeler, Laughton, Atkinson, ND, Hathaway, and let’s face it, as much as we all like and respect Coots, he ain’t putting butts in the seats either.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Oct 19 @ 1:27 PM ET
I go to two games a year and I have watched 3 of 9 total periods this season. I also forgot the game on Saturday was an afternoon game.

I have watched more of the Senators and Oilers this season than the Flyers.

I am doing my part.

- mickel25


This is now 2 years in a row I have. It gone to the home opener after decades of making it a tradition. I’m not spending couple hundred dollars to watch the PHD line. If I were to spend that money I want to witness Brink, Forst, Foerester, Tippett, Andrae, Zemula, York potentially taking those next steps. I was to see if Cutter and Michkov are really stars in the making (granted a a few years away for MM). I don’t want to pay for a mediocre product that “though to play against” with not future eek out a 2-0 win or a 2-1 loss of all I’m gonna watch is Staal, Walker, Seeler, Laughton, Atkinson, ND, Hathaway, and let’s face it, as much as we all like and respect Coots, he ain’t putting butts in the seats either.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 19 @ 1:28 PM ET
Again, hysterical. I have not once denied what the numbers state or that Frost did not play well in the first two games. What discredits you is how you blow off the same numbers when there were discussions on other players such as Sanheim. Who you stated can't defend when he had the best defensive number last season. Or with Ristolainen when you claim that he is the best defenseman on the team. When the numbers were shown to you, you tell people they need to watch the game. Now it's numbers don't lie. Can't make it up. I don't discredit you. You discredit yourself.
- MJL

I'll tell you what is hysterical, the numbers last year clearly support that Risto was the best Flyers defenseman!! I have never blown off the numbers I have posted here. What I have not agreed with is the WAR stats, because to me and many coaches around hockey, feel these stats are seriously flawed. In the end, I have stated several times I think Frost should be in the lineup, but for that and Brink and Foerster to be in the lineup, the Flyers need to trade someone. I would move Farabee to the 4th line, because I don't see it in him right now and have not seen it for a few years now.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Oct 19 @ 1:35 PM ET
ok lets move off the Torts train..

Coots-

off to a good start, seems the part of a quality center. Add in, he should get better, is he a 1C? Even if it is lower end, is he a 1C if he continues his play and gets better?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 1:36 PM ET
I'll tell you what is hysterical, the numbers last year clearly support that Risto was the best Flyers defenseman!! I have never blown off the numbers I have posted here. What I have not agreed with is the WAR stats, because to me and many coaches around hockey, feel these stats are seriously flawed. In the end, I have stated several times I think Frost should be in the lineup, but for that and Brink and Foerster to be in the lineup, the Flyers need to trade someone. I would move Farabee to the 4th line, because I don't see it in him right now and have not seen it for a few years now.
- jd250



Not even close. You've always blown off analytics. Especially when it came to Ristolainen. With nonsense claims that he never had good coaching. Here is a number for you from last season and your claim that Sanheim can't defend.

GA/60

Sanheim 2.16
Ristolainen 2.61

The Flyers don't need to trade a single player in order for all the young players to be in the lineup. We can add Farabee to the list now. Is he just an AHL player?

One would think that someone making the claims you do, would actually know what the numbers are. Again, you discredit yourself. All I do is point it out.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Oct 19 @ 1:41 PM ET
d is where we will need to focus.
- Peter Richards


my wife says I focus on the D too much
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
Not even close. You've always blown off analytics. Especially when it came to Ristolainen. With nonsense claims that he never had good coaching. Here is a number for you from last season and your claim that Sanheim can't defend.

GA/60

Sanheim 2.16
Ristolainen 2.61

The Flyers don't need to trade a single player in order for all the young players to be in the lineup. We can add Farabee to the list now. Is he just an AHL player?

One would think that someone making the claims you do, would actually know what the numbers are. Again, you discredit yourself. All I do is point it out.

- MJL

I am going to ignore your insults and bogus claims. Instead let's talk about Farabee. Do you think he is a top 6 forward? I sure don't. I mean I give him a pass for last season, having that neck surgery so close to the start of the season and then playing all 82 games was quite an accomplishment. But to me he has regressed since the 2021 season. This season so far he has 1 point but his underlining metrics are good, but I just don't see it in him to be a top 6 forward. I think he is a good NHL player, just a player that I think is best suited for a 3rd line role. Unfortunately the Flyers have a lot of these players right now.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 19 @ 1:54 PM ET
DB created the problem by bringing in Hathaway, Stahl, Poehling, and Walker
- Dkos


Totally. You don't give Torts excuses NOT to play the kids. Rookie GM moves.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 19 @ 1:54 PM ET
Tortorella needs to go!
- MJL

who you hiring to replace him?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 19 @ 1:54 PM ET
Totally. You don't give Torts excuses NOT to play the kids. Rookie GM moves.
- Tomahawk

or the co-gm2 agrees with co-gm1 on their "vision"
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 19 @ 1:57 PM ET
He is not going to have much trade value if he is being scratched from a bottom dwelling team like the Flyers. The Flyers need to play him 18-20 minutes a night so he can build up value and then get traded for a decent return. Right now realistically what is a team going to give you for Frost, a 3rd or 4th round pick?
- jd250


It doesn't matter what the Flyers get in return. They're going nowhere.

I'm saying trade Frost for Frost's sake.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 19 @ 2:01 PM ET
Not even close. You've always blown off analytics. Especially when it came to Ristolainen. With nonsense claims that he never had good coaching. Here is a number for you from last season and your claim that Sanheim can't defend.

GA/60

Sanheim 2.16
Ristolainen 2.61

The Flyers don't need to trade a single player in order for all the young players to be in the lineup. We can add Farabee to the list now. Is he just an AHL player?

One would think that someone making the claims you do, would actually know what the numbers are. Again, you discredit yourself. All I do is point it out.

- MJL

Ok, just to show everyone how fraudulent you are, let's compare some key metrics between Samheim and Risto from last year:

Sanheim: CF%: 46%, xGF%: 47%, HDCA: 36, HDCF%: 44%, SF%: 47%
Risto: CF%: 45%, xGF%: 49%, HDCA: 30, HDCF%: 49%, SF%: 48%

Seems like Risto is better than Sanheim .. but I am sure you will find some way to ignore these numbers also.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 19 @ 2:04 PM ET
It doesn't matter what the Flyers get in return. They're going nowhere.

I'm saying trade Frost for Frost's sake.

- Tomahawk

My loyalty is to the Flyers, not freak'n Morgan Frost. I agree with you that Frost should be traded for his own sake, but unless the Flyers get a fair return he is not going anywhere. I sincerely hope he gets back in the lineup and improves his trade value.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Season Ticket Holder
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Oct 19 @ 2:04 PM ET
who you hiring to replace him?
- hello it's me 2050

The rocket 🚀 scientist Laperriere
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 19 @ 2:18 PM ET
Totally. You don't give Torts excuses NOT to play the kids. Rookie GM moves.
- Tomahawk


Poehling only 4 months older than Frost so I dont include him in that list of "older vets" brought in.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 19 @ 2:22 PM ET
He is not going to have much trade value if he is being scratched from a bottom dwelling team like the Flyers. The Flyers need to play him 18-20 minutes a night so he can build up value and then get traded for a decent return. Right now realistically what is a team going to give you for Frost, a 3rd or 4th round pick?
- jd250

Torts doesn't care about trade asset value (see Hayes, kevin)
This guy is hurting the rebuild at this point
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 19 @ 2:26 PM ET
He is a monster, 6'7" who has elite skating ability. Good defender but not overly physical. Definite top 10 with top 5 potential.
- MBFlyerfan

You read the athletic too, huh? LOL

The kid looks good. He's huge, is going to fill out even more and he is solid on both ends of the ice. He is already breaking records for defenseman as a 17 year old.
I know eiserman if the top guy right now but if this kid huts his ceiling....whew
I'd like to see us take a swing at him
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 19 @ 2:27 PM ET
d is where we will need to focus.
- Peter Richards

Agreed. And this kid could easily become the top D man in the draft class
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 19 @ 2:32 PM ET
You read the athletic too, huh? LOL

The kid looks good. He's huge, is going to fill out even more and he is solid on both ends of the ice. He is already breaking records for defenseman as a 17 year old.
I know eiserman if the top guy right now but if this kid huts his ceiling....whew
I'd like to see us take a swing at him

- Bob Habib



Yeah, unfortunately I wont be in Russia any time soon so I am forced to rely on youtube and sports sites to get my info.


That being said, watching a kid that big who can skate like he is Paul Coffey is pretty startling.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 3:49 PM ET
I am going to ignore your insults and bogus claims. Instead let's talk about Farabee. Do you think he is a top 6 forward? I sure don't. I mean I give him a pass for last season, having that neck surgery so close to the start of the season and then playing all 82 games was quite an accomplishment. But to me he has regressed since the 2021 season. This season so far he has 1 point but his underlining metrics are good, but I just don't see it in him to be a top 6 forward. I think he is a good NHL player, just a player that I think is best suited for a 3rd line role. Unfortunately the Flyers have a lot of these players right now.
- jd250


Of course you're going to ignore it because it makes you look like a fool. I especially like how you ignored the GA/60 stat I posted. Goes directly to your statements that Sanheim can't defend and Ristolainen is the Flyers best defenseman. Of course you're going to ignore that. LOL. Now speaking of what you accused me of, deflecting. Now you're trying to make it about Farabee. I only have one simple question. When have you ever been right about anything?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 3:54 PM ET
Ok, just to show everyone how fraudulent you are, let's compare some key metrics between Samheim and Risto from last year:

Sanheim: CF%: 46%, xGF%: 47%, HDCA: 36, HDCF%: 44%, SF%: 47%
Risto: CF%: 45%, xGF%: 49%, HDCA: 30, HDCF%: 49%, SF%: 48%

Seems like Risto is better than Sanheim .. but I am sure you will find some way to ignore these numbers also.

- jd250



Where is GA/60 and GF%. Let's review your statements. Your statements are that Ristolainen is the Flyers best defenseman and that Sanheim can't defend. Now let's review my statements. One, Ristolainen is definitely not the Flyers best defenseman and as far as Sanheim is concerned. My statements on his season last year were that he defended well but he did not play well offensively and did not push play as well as he is capable. The numbers completely support my claims. The don't support yours. So who is the fraud?
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 19 @ 5:08 PM ET
https://thehockeywriters.com/flyers-tortorella-showing-bias-decision-making/

So others see what many of us see?
Always a head scratcher

- mikeyo27

I was not an anti torts guy before but now I'm on record saying that the man is full of BS.
Staal should take a seat over zamula, especially on a rebuilding team
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 19 @ 5:17 PM ET
Yeah, unfortunately I wont be in Russia any time soon so I am forced to rely on youtube and sports sites to get my info.


That being said, watching a kid that big who can skate like he is Paul Coffey is pretty startling.

- MBFlyerfan

It's a sight to see for sure. Usually guys that big don't move or skate like him and he is only 17 still so you know that his total game will improve all around.
He's definitely on my radar now. Watching those many highlights of him really shows this kids potential.
Plus he's 6 foot 7 😳
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 19 @ 5:23 PM ET
I'm not a baseball fan at all but I follow the phillies in the post season.
It seems that the ticket prices in Phoenix for the NLCS game have plummeted
From 115 for s ticket to just 15 per ticket
Lol
BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Oct 19 @ 8:38 PM ET
If that was actually true, you wouldn't have made your last two posts. You betray yourself. You aren't capable of anything else.
- MJL


Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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