If Pinto were a Flyer, the same folks pining for him would be saying "He had a great October last year and then faded". But the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side. (FWIW, I think he's a good young player and will continue to improve, although it hurts to have missed all of camp and the first two weeks of this season).
- bmeltzer

Weren't all the Pinto rumors revolving around trading a contract so that Ottawa could sign him? Not actually trading Shane Pinto for another player.

Torts would find a way to scratch him anyway. 'Team's on a 3-game point streak (3 straight OTL) I can't mess with the lineup.'

Frost is not a solution for anything down the line. Tortorella is wrong to scratch him but Frost is a nothing player. If he’s the 2nd line center on the next “contending” Flyers team then something went seriously wrong.
- psuhockey

or seriously correct...

or seriously correct...
- hello it's me 2050

As of today rosters, the Flyers will have to get through New Jersey down the line with Hughes and Hischier at center. Does Frost stack up against either of them?

As of today rosters, the Flyers will have to get through New Jersey down the line with Hughes and Hischier at center. Does Frost stack up against either of them?
- psuhockey

Do any other Flyer centers even come close?

Weren't all the Pinto rumors revolving around trading a contract so that Ottawa could sign him? Not actually trading Shane Pinto for another player.

Torts would find a way to scratch him anyway. 'Team's on a 3-game point streak (3 straight OTL) I can't mess with the lineup.'
- TobyFlenderson

Yes. Ottawa can't sign him because they don't have the cap space. ($42,658)

For all we know they probably have a contract ready to go but simply can't do anything about it.

Frost is not a solution for anything down the line. Tortorella is wrong to scratch him but Frost is a nothing player. If he’s the 2nd line center on the next “contending” Flyers team then something went seriously wrong.
- psuhockey

I really don't think we can say at this point that he's a nothing player. I don't believe he's been given a proper chance to succeed with injury etc, and last year in the second half he showed he could put up points. Not ready to jettison him.

He's 18 going on 19. Gives them time to decide if they want to keep him up before burning his first ELC year.
- MJL

Doesn’t sound like that to the article on the score .

From the GM "I want him to be a horse in the second half of the season. So, we're going to manage his games for the next couple of months anyways."

Frost is not a solution for anything down the line. Tortorella is wrong to scratch him but Frost is a nothing player. If he’s the 2nd line center on the next “contending” Flyers team then something went seriously wrong.
- psuhockey

A nothing player? He led the team in ES scoring last season. Scored at a 55 point pace over the final 56 game of the season.

Do any other Flyer centers even come close?
- Minnyhock

No that’s why the only thing that matters this season is securing another top draft pick. Even if Gauthier is a center, they need another one his level or better.

Not at all. It’s a comment on how ridiculous the situation is. Torts is ego driven. His benching of Frost was an emotional one. He wasn’t cerebral enough to weigh the risk reward equation and he had no end game. Torts realizes that 4 games is excessive and punitive but he’s so self centered and insecure that he can’t admit he made a mistake so he plows on and doubles down on ignorance because of his ego. The only thing that could be worse is if Jones and Briere support this.
- Minnyhock

Well said.

Make room on roster to bring up Lycksell. Put Frost on 3rd line center. Move Cates to 4th line center. Move Poehling to wing, put in Lycksell. No checking line. Problem solved.

At TDL, make lots of deals to offload some personnel.

No that’s why the only thing that matters this season is securing another top draft pick. Even if Gauthier is a center, they need another one his level or better.
- psuhockey

Couturier matches up with Hischier. I envision Frost's future as a 3C

Fourth line plug wins a cup, doesn’t register a single point, is no longer playing, and people act like he’s some catch that got away
- ClaudeFather

After he was waived he performed better in Colorado and Washington than any 4th liner the Flyers had on the ice until this season, when they signed Poehling at $1.4m and Hahaway at $2.375m. But I see the dullards still want to defend Fletcher dumping NAk and spending almost two full seasons with the league's worst 4th line, just like they wanted to defend paying a 2nd rounder to get rid of Ghost. Is he in the AHL, too?

Over a large sample of games, other than fight, what does Delauriers do well to maintain his lock in the lineup?
- MJL

The premise of the statement was not an ND. It was the role and the spot that ND occupies. It's simply not suitable for Frost.

Cates would be a better 4LW option than Laughton. Dallas dominated them so much Torts could barely play that line in the last game. With Cates there as the F1 they would be a forechecking nightmare for other teams to play against.
- Feanor

That might be sensible.

After he was waived he performed better in Colorado and Washington than any 4th liner the Flyers had on the ice until this season, when they signed Poehling at $1.4m and Hahaway at $2.375m. But I see the dullards still want to defend dumping NAk and spending almost two full seasons the league's worst 4th line, just like they wanted to defend paying a 2nd rounder to get rid of Ghost. Is he in the AHL, too?
- Feanor

Where’s he playing? I missed that? He performed better on a much better team ! Imagine that! He’s a nothing player. Whether he was better than some of the others we had, maybe he was better but he doesn’t matter at all

Oh and btw, if Frost was going to put in a trade request, or just end up on the block like Sanheim did in the summer, there's no reason he would have to be traded to a "contender". It could be any team in the league.

Oh and btw, if Frost was going to put in a trade request, or just end up on the block like Sanheim did in the summer, there's no reason he would have to be traded to a "contender". It could be any team in the league.
- Feanor

Why would anyone think otherwise?

Where’s he playing? I missed that? He performed better on a much better team ! Imagine that! He’s a nothing player. Whether he was better than some of the others we had, maybe he was better but he doesn’t matter at all
- ClaudeFather

Washington wasn't a much better team than the Flyers last season, and NAK still outperformed the likes of Deslauriers and MacEwen. The fact is NAK was a useful 4th liner in November 2021, when the inept Chuck Fletcher gave him away for free. I can't believe people are still trying to polish that turd of a GM even now.

Why would anyone think otherwise?
- ClaudeFather

Ask this person:

well no contender is going to want frost
- 2Real

Like no contender wanted Aube-Kubel when he went on waivers two years ago.
- Feanor

Nod due to NAK talent.

Washington wasn't a much better team than the Flyers last season, and NAK still outperformed the likes of Deslauriers and MacEwen. The fact is NAK was a useful 4th liner in November 2021, when the inept Chuck Fletcher gave him away for free. I can't believe people are still trying to polish that turd of a GM even now.
- Feanor

You can trash on Fletcher all you want, it’s warranted . I’m not going to mention a fourth line plug who took a ton of penalties. Plenty of other stuff to trash him on

Ask this person:
- Feanor

Lol don’t feed the troll

You can trash on Fletcher all you want, it’s warranted . I’m not going to mention a fourth line plug who took a ton of penalties. Plenty of other stuff to trash him on
- ClaudeFather

I agree, NAK always did take a lot of penalties. Did it in Junior, and in the AHL, too.

I really don't think we can say at this point that he's a nothing player. I don't believe he's been given a proper chance to succeed with injury etc, and last year in the second half he showed he could put up points. Not ready to jettison him.
- Hextall271

He did it on a losing team against other teams’ back up goalies and apathetic rosters who assumed they just had to show up to beat the Flyers. Ryan Potulny once produced at a 41 point pace on a lousy Edmonton team under similar circumstances and he was a career AHLer. Frost will get his chance soon while the games matter.

Regardless, he will never be a 3rd or 4th line center in this league and isn’t good enough to be a 2nd line center on a contending team thus why I called him a nothing player.