On the Frost situation, I can see both sides of the argument. He did finish last season well, but he really didn't have a good start to this year. Other youth players certainly contributed more.
Now there is the argument that the coach should play youth players instead of veterans. I believe that it is more nuanced than this simple statement. Yes, you do want to play youth players (and there are many on the team). However, you need to balance them with a veteran presence. Throwing out an entirely youth team has not always been shown as a good way to develop for the future.
Showing the youth how to play and also developing a good culture are also needed for the future. A veteran presence is needed.
This team certainly has places for youth, but they need to earn it. Now, longer term, does sitting Frost help him develop, - no. But I suspect it won't be too long until he is given another chance, and hopefully he will come back with a good attitude and work ethic.
- MRK66

I'll disagree with this as it was only 2 games, one of which where every player on the roster sucked. He was one of the better players in the preseason. Ill add that Torts used Foerster's 8 games last year as a reason why he was getting some leeway, yet Frost's last 55 games plus his good preseason bought him no leeway at all.

Add to that the scratch necessitated playing Laughton not only higher in the lineup that he should be, but also not in his optimal postion as a wing.

Sure they need to earn it, but has Foerster earned anything with his play either during preseason or in the first 6 games? Im not sure he has.

This is personal with Torts and nothing anyone tells me can change my mind on that opinion.

Torts is not acting in the best interest of the team.

Just like him putting players in the press box last year in strategically selected games for effect rather than for quality of play, this comes off as petty.

More importantly, he is destroying Frost's value, which is detrimental to the team. If he wants Frost out of here so bad, why should he destroy his trade value by not playing him? I just don't get it.

Who should be more important to the Flyers at the start of the 2026 season? A 27 year old Morgan Frost (or assets acquired from his trade) or a 68 year old Torts?

So people are pointing out how awful the Flyers are playing but still want Frost to play. I thought them be bad was a good thing.

Why do they want Frost to play so they can play better?

Last season people were ripping Frost left and right.

I am not understanding the the back and forth here.

So people are pointing out how awful the Flyers are playing but still want Frost to play. I thought them be bad was a good thing.

Why do they want Frost to play so they can play better?

Last season people were ripping Frost left and right.

I am not understanding the the back and forth here.
- WhiskeyMan

We don't want them to lose on purpose. Losing will happen with this team because they just aren't that good. What we do want is for the young players we do have, to develop so that in the future the team can get good.

We don't want them to lose on purpose. Losing will happen with this team because they just aren't that good. What we do want is for the young players we do have, to develop so that in the future the team can get good.
- MBFlyerfan

But people wanted Frost gone, not be resigned. Just confusing.

On the Frost situation, I can see both sides of the argument. He did finish last season well, but he really didn't have a good start to this year. Other youth players certainly contributed more.
- MRK66

Bill has already shown a dozen times that wasn't true in the first two games.

I'll disagree with this as it was only 2 games, one of which where every player on the roster sucked. He was one of the better players in the preseason. Ill add that Torts used Foerster's 8 games last year as a reason why he was getting some leeway, yet Frost's last 55 games plus his good preseason bought him no leeway at all.

Add to that the scratch necessitated playing Laughton not only higher in the lineup that he should be, but also not in his optimal postion as a wing.
- MBFlyerfan

Yup, Laughton is a better wing than center. So it's crazy to me that the Flyers prefer line A to line B. They have two guys not playing their best position just to accommodate Foerster.

A: Konecny-Laughton-Foerster

B: Laughton-Frost-Konecny

But people wanted Frost gone, not be resigned. Just confusing.
- WhiskeyMan

Some people want all sorts of things. Doesn't mean everybody does.

Foerster hasn’t done squat, and could easily be replaced by Frost. This is clearly a vendetta against the kid by a petulant, narcissistic head coach. Briere needs to grow a pair and get involved. Send down Foerster and one if the new AHL depth D and give the God Emperor only 18 skaters to choose from. If the spoiled brat doesn’t like it, he can feel free to tender his resignation.

It’s absolutely ludicrous that a coach who hasn’t won squat in nearly 20 years is being allowed to call the shots in the organization.

The Flyers lineup is just too stacked to be able to fit in their leading ES scorer from last season. That's how bright the future is.
-MJL

Maybe the future is very bright, did you ever think of that? It seems to me the Flyers need to trade Frost, and unfortunately that means trading him for pennies on the dollar. I don't agree with Frost being out of the lineup this long, at least swap him out with Foerster or Brink to give them both time to watch a game or two from the press box to gain more perspective as they learn how to become everyday NHL players. Frost is already an NHL player and at this point is being hurt by sitting out this long. Just trade him at this point and let him resume his career with a fresh start. Good for Frost, bad for the Flyers.

just in, Torts will let Frost play, he is waiting for Frost to confront him about playing, he wants him to man up.

just in, Torts will let Frost play, he is waiting for Frost to confront him about playing, he wants him to man up.
- wcorvette

As soon as Torts talks to Frost directly about being benched for five consecutive games. I am pretty confident he has not.

just in, Torts will let Frost play, he is waiting for Frost to confront him about playing, he wants him to man up.
- wcorvette

The problem is this could very well be true to a certain extent.

This is really a joke now. Frost is signed for two years at $2+mil to be our 2nd line center and the coach is sitting him. Slap in the face to GM.
- cdearth23

Torts loves slapping his GMs in the face. Chuck is probably still punch drunk.

Has been asked. Answer is "I'm not going to debate".
- bmeltzer

Probably the same thing he says to Danny.

Now there is the argument that the coach should play youth players instead of veterans. I believe that it is more nuanced than this simple statement. Yes, you do want to play youth players (and there are many on the team). However, you need to balance them with a veteran presence. Throwing out an entirely youth team has not always been shown as a good way to develop for the future.
Showing the youth how to play and also developing a good culture are also needed for the future. A veteran presence is needed.
- MRK66

The team is full of "veteran presence". Dressing Frost isn't gonna be some kind of tipping point in that regard.

This team certainly has places for youth, but they need to earn it. Now, longer term, does sitting Frost help him develop, - no. But I suspect it won't be too long until he is given another chance, and hopefully he will come back with a good attitude and work ethic.
- MRK66

Based on Frost's body of work in the NHL he has easily earned a lot more leash than he's currently being given.

The coach is just biased AF.

He's been talking poop about Frost near daily since he got here. Frost lead the team in scoring for months and Torts was still saying that "he's supposedly an offensive player" line over the summer. First excuse he got he benched the kid. And I doubt Frost will get back in unless somebody gets hurt.

Probably the same thing he says to Danny.
- Tomahawk

Torts probably wishes he had the opportunity to healthy scratch Briere back in the day. Teach that little punk a lesson.

how far has attard fallen/

On the Frost situation, I can see both sides of the argument. He did finish last season well, but he really didn't have a good start to this year. Other youth players certainly contributed more.
Now there is the argument that the coach should play youth players instead of veterans. I believe that it is more nuanced than this simple statement. Yes, you do want to play youth players (and there are many on the team). However, you need to balance them with a veteran presence. Throwing out an entirely youth team has not always been shown as a good way to develop for the future.
Showing the youth how to play and also developing a good culture are also needed for the future. A veteran presence is needed.
This team certainly has places for youth, but they need to earn it. Now, longer term, does sitting Frost help him develop, - no. But I suspect it won't be too long until he is given another chance, and hopefully he will come back with a good attitude and work ethic.
- MRK66

Frost didn't earn a longer rope than 2 games when he led the team in ES scoring last season? Led the team in total scoring over a 56 game span? That's more than finishing strong isn't it? Had a strong camp by Tortorella's own words?

It'll be ironic if they depress Frost's value so badly that they end up waiving him, and he gets claimed by Chicago in the same year the Flyers finally got Patrick Sharp back in the fold.

surely frost would score more while losing the game than tippet

Foerster hasn’t done squat, and could easily be replaced by Frost. This is clearly a vendetta against the kid by a petulant, narcissistic head coach. Briere needs to grow a pair and get involved. Send down Foerster and one if the new AHL depth D and give the God Emperor only 18 skaters to choose from. If the spoiled brat doesn’t like it, he can feel free to tender his resignation.

It’s absolutely ludicrous that a coach who hasn’t won squat in nearly 20 years is being allowed to call the shots in the organization.
- BiggE

Foerster doesn't have to be scratched. Play the kids.

how far has attard fallen/
- hello it's me 2050

he is atard

Maybe the future is very bright, did you ever think of that? It seems to me the Flyers need to trade Frost, and unfortunately that means trading him for pennies on the dollar. I don't agree with Frost being out of the lineup this long, at least swap him out with Foerster or Brink to give them both time to watch a game or two from the press box to gain more perspective as they learn how to become everyday NHL players. Frost is already an NHL player and at this point is being hurt by sitting out this long. Just trade him at this point and let him resume his career with a fresh start. Good for Frost, bad for the Flyers.
- jd250

You clearly weren't thinking with your first sentence and clearly didn't get the meaning of what I was stating. I stopped reading your post at that point.