The correct move would be Laughton to the 4th line, frost in and ND way out of here. We all know ND is not going anywhere especially since his fight, I mean wrestling match, was the reason they won.

Does anyone else hope he breaks his hand (or jaw) when fighting. I know, I'm not a good person, but that is the only realistic way he is exiting the lineup...
- mr4tno

Would not that be in contradiction with your previous "true rebuild" statement?

I agree with you, but people have been female doging about getting Frost into the line up. Sitting Laughton is the only path I see barring an injury.
- WhiskeyMan

Frost is not getting back into the lineup unless there is an injury, or the team starts slumping and certain players need a game or two to regroup. It's clear Torts wants to go with this forward group, and honestly it looks like he has good reason to.

I think this is it for this season. If the Flyers can maintain this level they will be a bubble team this year which is a step forward. They clearly are playing a faster, more structured game, and not just collapsing in their own zone. It comes down to having better players that can execute a more modern system. Next year the Flyers clear more cap space and add more younger players including Cutter Gauthier. The year after that they pay a king's ransom to get Michkov out of Russia and they are a legitimate playoff team. That is how I see it and is why the Flyers need to hold onto TK and Hart.
- jd250

Do think the Flyers have enough top 5 picks or do they need some more?

I agree with you, but people have been female doging about getting Frost into the line up. Sitting Laughton is the only path I see barring an injury.
- WhiskeyMan

people complained last year with hayes treatment and what that did to his trade value. yes i get play the kids, but then moving our potential trade pieces to the 4th line could be a double edge sword, and lower their values. understand frost needs to play to develop or for us to see more of what we have. but the process will also take years, we have plenty of time. and while it should be obvious to sit nd, doesn't seem like it will happen.

on a different note, bee cates and brink look great together. interested to see if brink keeps it up for the whole season.

sanheim and walker have done better in the early season than i thought they would.

hopefully tip getting a goal last night helps him get going.

good to see he and sanhiem got their shots on net.

They started out 7-3-2 last season and we all know how that turned out.

Last season we could all feel it was smoke and mirrors, the advanced stats were the real barometer and it all evened out.

This year, another good start, but I'll agree with many that the team feels different so far. Let's see where we are in a month.

I'll say it again, you cannot understate the effect Sean Couturier has on this team. IMO he is worth 5 wins on his own.
- MBFlyerfan

last seasons start was very different than this years start. still early, but very different.

I'll say it again, you cannot understate the effect Sean Couturier has on this team. IMO he is worth 5 wins on his own.
- MBFlyerfan

correct!

last seasons start was very different than this years start. still early, but very different.
- Peter Richards

Yeah, last year's start was total smoke and mirrors. They were getting badly outshot most games, and they were winning with timely scoring that we knew wouldn't last and Hart was standing on his head. They are outplaying most of these teams. Held their own against Dallas (should have won that game) and Vegas. The second year of Torts is almost always better than the first. If they stay healthy (a humongous IF) they can probably maintain this. Uh oh!!

Yeah, last year's start was total smoke and mirrors. They were getting badly outshot most games, and they were winning with timely scoring that we knew wouldn't last and Hart was standing on his head. They are outplaying most of these teams. Held their own against Dallas (should have won that game) and Vegas. The second year of Torts is almost always better than the first. If they stay healthy (a humongous IF) they can probably maintain this. Uh oh!!
- Phillywhiteout

Who was the last team that Tortorella coached that overachieved?

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The correct move would be Laughton to the 4th line, frost in and ND way out of here. We all know ND is not going anywhere especially since his fight, I mean wrestling match, was the reason they won.

Does anyone else hope he breaks his hand (or jaw) when fighting. I know, I'm not a good person, but that is the only realistic way he is exiting the lineup...
- mr4tno

No chance of that happening, so I think Briere needs to look at moving Frost before Torts lowers his value any further.

The 4th line got caved last night are already sitting at the bottom of the shot attempt numbers and have no points combined all season. That's not unusual for a 4th line, but it's funny when the team has been trying to promote them as something special.

No chance of that happening, so I think Briere needs to look at moving Frost before Torts lowers his value any further.

The 4th line got caved last night are already sitting at the bottom of the shot attempt numbers and have no points combined all season. That's not unusual for a 4th line, but it's funny when the team has been trying to promote them as something special.
- Feanor

I don't know if there is any way out of it other than that. I don't think Tortorella will relent and I don't think Briere and Jones have the balls to stand up to him. This coach is a real problem.

The team looks just fine in the past 5 games ... why can't people just accept that Frost is not that good? They put up 6 goals last night, Geez!
- jd250

The funniest part about statements like this is that if Brink finishes the season with 46 points, people like you will act like he's some kind of indispensable piece for the next decade. But when Frost did it on a team without Atkinson and Brink and Couturier, and with Farabee not at 100%, all we heard was excuses for why it wasn't actually that impressive.

Now I like Brink, and have always defended the trade to get him and York instead of Caufield. But the double standards some people have for young top 9 forwards are so obvious, it's hilarious.

I don't know if there is any way out of it other than that. I don't think Tortorella will relent and I don't think Briere and Jones have the balls to stand up to him. This coach is a real problem.
- MJL

The coach will be in the Hall of Fame.

The coach will be in the Hall of Fame.
- kennygarcon

So will Bellicheck. Do you want him to coach the Eagles this season?

No chance of that happening, so I think Briere needs to look at moving Frost before Torts lowers his value any further.

The 4th line got caved last night are already sitting at the bottom of the shot attempt numbers and have no points combined all season. That's not unusual for a 4th line, but it's funny when the team has been trying to promote them as something special.
- Feanor

The solution is so easy, but Torts won't do it. Sit ND and put Laughts on the 4th line, and get Frost back in the lineup. This should be a no brainer. That would actually be a formidable 4th line and I've always thought Laughts was a true 4th liner on a good team anyway.

Who was the last team that Tortorella coached that overachieved?
- MJL

Columbus, which was the last team that he coached before coming here. Tort's track record is that teams excel in the second year under his command.

The solution is so easy, but Torts won't do it. Sit ND and put Laughts on the 4th line, and get Frost back in the lineup. This should be a no brainer. That would actually be a formidable 4th line and I've always thought Laughts was a true 4th liner on a good team anyway.
- Phillywhiteout

But how is ND going to fight from the press box? Cmon, not an option.

But how is ND going to fight from the press box? Cmon, not an option.
- TobyFlenderson

hope they keep it up to speed up the "rebuild" and possibly become buyers at some point.

Will Seeing the younger guys take steps forward drive any decisions?

They started out 7-3-2 last season and we all know how that turned out.

Last season we could all feel it was smoke and mirrors, the advanced stats were the real barometer and it all evened out.

This year, another good start, but I'll agree with many that the team feels different so far. Let's see where we are in a month.

I'll say it again, you cannot understate the effect Sean Couturier has on this team. IMO he is worth 5 wins on his own.
- MBFlyerfan

agree, and think most do. You have to wait and see, other teams are disappointing to start the season, Flyers are surprising. Like him or not, and I don't right now, Torts has this team playing fast and with structure. While he is completely mis-handling Frost, you can give him some credit for sticking with Brink and Foerster, I think you can give him some credit for Sanheim and York. From jump, Torts has said he wants TK type players to take risks, that was last season and he pushed Sanheim the same this season.


You will have to think that other teams will get better and the Flyers will come back to earth. Again, I think the Vegas game is a perfect example, hard work vs a superior team had them in a position to win, Vegas turned it up and kept coming, eventually talent and hard work will beat less talent and hard work. ND is playing really well, but we are seeing his best game and that line has zero points and seems to be in the D zone a lot.

Give Torts credit, but his asinine, petty moves like Frost, detract from the good he does.

Everyone thought the Rangers had a great rebuild, and they did but they came out of it to fast (my opinion). Rangers didn't get the right drafts, the Devils did, why rebuilds take time. Flyers need a top 10 pick this season, the Panther pick needs to be around 14-16, and they need to move assets and load up on picks for 2024.

It was fun watching them play last season and it is fun watching them play this season, good for Torts.

I agree with you, but people have been female doging about getting Frost into the line up. Sitting Laughton is the only path I see barring an injury.
- WhiskeyMan

take the glasses off then

I think this is it for this season. If the Flyers can maintain this level they will be a bubble team this year which is a step forward. They clearly are playing a faster, more structured game, and not just collapsing in their own zone. It comes down to having better players that can execute a more modern system. Next year the Flyers clear more cap space and add more younger players including Cutter Gauthier. The year after that they pay a king's ransom to get Michkov out of Russia and they are a legitimate playoff team. That is how I see it and is why the Flyers need to hold onto TK and Hart.
- jd250

8 year 8 million plus ext sounds good....

Do think the Flyers have enough top 5 picks or do they need some more?
- MJL

Top 5 picks give a team the best chance to land a franchise player, but it's not the only way. It also depends on the draft year, for example a top 5 pick in the 2023 draft is much more valuable than a top 5 pick in the 2022 draft. With that said a team can get really good players with later picks if they pick wisely and know how to develop them. I mean, Pastrnak was the 25th pick and McAvoy was the 14th pick for the Bruins and now both are the Bruins' best players. Gauthier looks to me like he will be ready to play for the Flyers next season, scored again last night. I really think the Flyers need a stud defenseman and this draft has a few potentials that will go in the top 10, but there are other ways to get that player and also get that player in the timeframe the team needs it. I think Jonesy has said as much in recent interviews.

8 year 8 million plus ext sounds good....
- hello it's me 2050

And worth every penny .. I think anyone coming on here saying Hart is not a franchise goalie has their head in the sand. Would love to clear up that Canada investigation though.

The funniest part about statements like this is that if Brink finishes the season with 46 points, people like you will act like he's some kind of indispensable piece for the next decade. But when Frost did it on a team without Atkinson and Brink and Couturier, and with Farabee not at 100%, all we heard was excuses for why it wasn't actually that impressive.

Now I like Brink, and have always defended the trade to get him and York instead of Caufield. But the double standards some people have for young top 9 forwards are so obvious, it's hilarious.
- Feanor

Forget the points. Think about Frost at the beginning of last season and think about Brink in the pre-season and first 7 games of the regular season. Which player is more impactful to the team. To me it's as clear as night and day, the answer is obviously Brink.