Forget the points. Think about Frost at the beginning of last season and think about Brink in the pre-season and first 7 games of the regular season. Which player is more impactful to the team. To me it's as clear as night and day, the answer is obviously Brink.
- jd250

I have noticed that Brink seems to go to the net more than Frost. Perhaps Frost needs to do what Sanheim did over the summer (put on 20 pounds of muscle).

20 lbs of muscle is a huge exaggeration. Unless Sanheim is on the juice or just hit puberty it was probably more like 5-7.5 lbs.

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Someone yells "Stand Up!"

Briere and the rest of the triumvirate is about to face a real test. A second year Tortorella coached team that is going to over achieve and make the playoffs.

You can’t write a script more Flyers than what is about to happen.

20 lbs of muscle is a huge exaggeration. Unless Sanheim is on the juice or just hit puberty it was probably more like 5-7.5 lbs.
- StepfordSam

Only repeating what Booooosh said on Sirius/XM NHL Network yesterday afternoon. Perhaps he was exaggerating, but it didn't sound like it when he said it.

20 lbs of muscle is a huge exaggeration. Unless Sanheim is on the juice or just hit puberty it was probably more like 5-7.5 lbs.
- StepfordSam

don't think 20 but Sanheim has hit an age where he can actually gain weight, that with the focus of putting muscle on and I am sure he bulked up


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don't think 20 but Sanheim has hit an age where he can actually gain weight, that with the focus of putting muscle on and I am sure he bulked up


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- wcorvette

No question he did. It’s just not physically possible to gain that amount of muscle over a summer natty.

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- MBFlyerfan

Wow, those players really look like they are being tortured playing for Torts!

The coach will be in the Hall of Fame.
- kennygarcon

Maybe. He won a Stanley Cup as a coach back in 2004. He used to be a really good coach. Reality is a coach, he really hasn't done anything in his last 16 seasons as an NHL coach.

Maybe. He won a Stanley Cup as a coach back in 2004. He used to be a really good coach. Reality is a coach, he really hasn't done anything in his last 16 seasons as an NHL coach.
- MJL

What about Columbus? They overachieved under Torts. They swept TB in the first round a few years back and TB's roster was far superior to the Jackets' roster. Has he really had a roster in the last 16 years that was Cup worthy?

Columbus, which was the last team that he coached before coming here. Tort's track record is that teams excel in the second year under his command.
- Phillywhiteout

Excel? When was the last team that excelled under Tortorella? I will answer for you. The 11/12 Rangers who went to the conference finals. Other than that, it has been nothing. 16 years of futility as a head coach. Maybe you have a different definition of excelling than I do.

Gotta admit this first part of the season has been fun and entertaining. I guess the question is:

Can this team beat Carolina, Boston, NJ, NYR, NYI, Detroit, Ottawa, Florida, Or Tampa in a 7 game series? Can they then beat one of those teams in the next round and so on? All this as currently constructed. How does this team project for next year? Is Cutter going to push them to the next level.

Also, if GMDB and POHO Jonesy believed the team as currently constructed was in fact a contender, why would they tell us this is a rebuild that may take patience and time?

I suggest that the team is overachieving right now as I presume those two know much more about the NHL than most of us wouldn’t take that approach unless they were convinced this was a rebuild. Unless they were being less than truthful. 🤔

So will Bellicheck. Do you want him to coach the Eagles this season?
- Feanor

Only if he doesn't remove the tush push from the playbook.

Wow, those players really look like they are being tortured playing for Torts!

- Phillywhiteout

one thing I like about Brink, he is always smiling on the ice, kid has something about him. Brink and York in the draft, seems like CF actually did right.

Top 5 picks give a team the best chance to land a franchise player, but it's not the only way. It also depends on the draft year, for example a top 5 pick in the 2023 draft is much more valuable than a top 5 pick in the 2022 draft. With that said a team can get really good players with later picks if they pick wisely and know how to develop them. I mean, Pastrnak was the 25th pick and McAvoy was the 14th pick for the Bruins and now both are the Bruins' best players. Gauthier looks to me like he will be ready to play for the Flyers next season, scored again last night. I really think the Flyers need a stud defenseman and this draft has a few potentials that will go in the top 10, but there are other ways to get that player and also get that player in the timeframe the team needs it. I think Jonesy has said as much in recent interviews.
- jd250

You're changing your tune again. In the past adamant that they had to get top 5 picks. Other picks were no good. Good luck to Jones doing that.

And worth every penny .. I think anyone coming on here saying Hart is not a franchise goalie has their head in the sand. Would love to clear up that Canada investigation though.
- jd250

I doesn't seem as though you know what a franchise goalie is. Shesterkin and Vasilevsky are franchise goalies.

Excel? When was the last team that excelled under Tortorella? I will answer for you. The 11/12 Rangers who went to the conference finals. Other than that, it has been nothing. 16 years of futility as a head coach. Maybe you have a different definition of excelling than I do.
- MJL

You're changing the narrative on the fly. You said overachieve. Hell, last year's Flyers team overachieved. The fact that Torts milked 75 points out of that roster was a minor miracle. Of course, they would have been better off getting less points, but that's still an overachievement based on the roster.

Forget the points. Think about Frost at the beginning of last season and think about Brink in the pre-season and first 7 games of the regular season. Which player is more impactful to the team. To me it's as clear as night and day, the answer is obviously Brink.
- jd250

Brink is playing well and looks like he is going to be a good player but he is not as good as Frost is yet. Let me know when Brink leads the team in scoring.

if Coots keeps pace, ends with over 70 points and is healthy, will someone like the Bruins want him? Would you trade him and for what return?

I have noticed that Brink seems to go to the net more than Frost. Perhaps Frost needs to do what Sanheim did over the summer (put on 20 pounds of muscle).
- Phillywhiteout

Frost is a puck carrier and a playmaker

so some supposedly want a rebuild and yet complain about the coach after a 6-2 win which included outstanding contributions from their youth.

If you jump on here and dont point out Brink, Tippett or Farabees contributions first and foremost I gotta question your agenda. so you are not happy that your chosen messiah is not playing. get over it. they have plenty of youth playing and succeeding right now, but you fail to point that out. you simply can't admit it. not all rebuilds are the same. not all successful rebuilds include 10 years of finishing in the bottom 5 strife with misery. if the flyers win more than you thought then thats ok. that means Selke and Atk are healthy, Sanheim is playing well and their kids are getting better. All of those are good for a rebuild. To be able to get a 1st at the deadline for Atk is good for the rebuild. For Sanheim to be playing well regardless if you keep him or not is good for the rebuild and obviously if their youth continues to play well then thats obviously good for the rebuild. i agree frost needs to find a spot in the top 9, but there are other good young players on this team besides your - chosen one - and their success is critical to the rebuild that you supposedly want.

lastly we have had top 3 picks in the past and that has not worked out all that well but the 7th pick last yrs draft seems to be an outstanding pick...

Tortorella was effusive in his praise of the 27-year-old defenseman, who is playing arguably the best hockey of his career through the first three weeks of the new season.

“I’m up his ass all year long last year, he’s in trade talks, all that stuff,” Tortorella said. “His skill level hasn’t changed. His skating hasn’t changed. What’s changed is his mindset. He’s shown us right from Day 1 that he’s going to take control. And he has done it to this point. I’m happy for him. I know it was a miserable year for him last year. Proud of him, how he’s handled himself so far.”


From an article on the A

How are we feeling about York+Brink over Caufield?

Gotta admit this first part of the season has been fun and entertaining. I guess the question is:

Can this team beat Carolina, Boston, NJ, NYR, NYI, Detroit, Ottawa, Florida, Or Tampa in a 7 game series? Can they then beat one of those teams in the next round and so on? All this as currently constructed. How does this team project for next year? Is Cutter going to push them to the next level.

Also, if GMDB and POHO Jonesy believed the team as currently constructed was in fact a contender, why would they tell us this is a rebuild that may take patience and time?

I suggest that the team is overachieving right now as I presume those two know much more about the NHL than moat of us.
- mikeyo27

I agree. I'm just enjoying watching good hockey (other than the PP until last night)! I'm not really changing my expectations at this point and I still expect them to finish in the bottom 5-10 of the league when push comes to shove. Now if they are still playing like this a month from now and 10 games over .500 I may have to reevaluate.

You're changing the narrative on the fly. You said overachieve. Hell, last year's Flyers team overachieved. The fact that Torts milked 75 points out of that roster was a minor miracle. Of course, they would have been better off getting less points, but that's still an overachievement based on the roster.
- Phillywhiteout

I did say overachieve. You made the comment that Tortorella's teams excel in year two. That's what I was replying to.