so some supposedly want a rebuild and yet complain about the coach after a 6-2 win which included outstanding contributions from their youth.

If you jump on here and dont point out Brink, Tippett or Farabees contributions first and foremost I gotta question your agenda. so you are not happy that your chosen messiah is not playing. get over it. they have plenty of youth playing and succeeding right now, but you fail to point that out. you simply can't admit it. not all rebuilds are the same. not all successful rebuilds include 10 years of finishing in the bottom 5 strife with misery. if the flyers win more than you thought then thats ok. that means Selke and Atk are healthy, Sanheim is playing well and their kids are getting better. All of those are good for a rebuild. To be able to get a 1st at the deadline for Atk is good for the rebuild. For Sanheim to be playing well regardless if you keep him or not is good for the rebuild and obviously if their youth continues to play well then thats obviously good for the rebuild. i agree frost needs to find a spot in the top 9, but there are other good young players on this team besides your - chosen one - and their success is critical to the rebuild that you supposedly want.

lastly we have had top 3 picks in the past and that has not worked out all that well but the 7th pick last yrs draft seems to be an outstanding pick...
- 26912 PP1

I'm glad to hear that the team has plenty of youth playing and contributing. They don't need any more?

I'm glad to hear that the team has plenty of youth playing and contributing. They don't need any more?
- MJL

You bet. With that said, some of that youth is playing overseas and another is playing in college.

Frost is not getting back into the lineup unless there is an injury, or the team starts slumping and certain players need a game or two to regroup. It's clear Torts wants to go with this forward group, and honestly it looks like he has good reason to.
- jd250

The 4th line was bad last night again…I remember only one or two shifts where they seemed to get in on the forecheck. The one shift they were out there for almost 3 minutes!!. Personally I would drop the ineffective so far Laughton down to the 4th line and sit Poehling whom has been underwhelming the last 3-4 games and get Frost back in.

don't think 20 but Sanheim has hit an age where he can actually gain weight, that with the focus of putting muscle on and I am sure he bulked up


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- wcorvette

He just looks bigger out there. I’ve seen him muscle guys off the puck and take control of plays. I’ve seen his confidence skyrocket in the first 8 games. I’ve bemoaned his over all play with good reason in the past, but I have to admit he is playing like a top pairing d man so far this season. Hopefully he can keep it up. He’s liable to make me a believer.

Fortunately, I was out and missed the beat down. Bill’s description was brutal but accurate if it was anything like what I’ve seen from the Wild this year. I can’t figure out how they’ve won 3. Pathetic. The Wild are claiming that laughingstock label Philly had 2 years ago.

I heard that his Flyer teammates were chanting “Bobby,Bobby,Bobby” after his ESPN interview. Happy for Brink.

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Someone yells "Stand Up!"


- MBFlyerfan

If nothing else torts definitely seems like he fixed the locker room by working with DB to remove a few guys.
It's good to see the boys actually having some fun. They've earned it so far this season

And worth every penny .. I think anyone coming on here saying Hart is not a franchise goalie has their head in the sand. Would love to clear up that Canada investigation though.
- jd250

no interest in paying tk for 8 more years starting at age 28.

Hart may or may not be. Depends how on defines "franchise" goalie.

20 lbs of muscle is a huge exaggeration. Unless Sanheim is on the juice or just hit puberty it was probably more like 5-7.5 lbs.
- StepfordSam

It's a silly exaggeration designed to try and justify why trading him for the 32 year old, 5'9" Torey Krug in the summer wasn't such a bad idea.

Tortorella was effusive in his praise of the 27-year-old defenseman, who is playing arguably the best hockey of his career through the first three weeks of the new season.

“I’m up his ass all year long last year, he’s in trade talks, all that stuff,” Tortorella said. “His skill level hasn’t changed. His skating hasn’t changed. What’s changed is his mindset. He’s shown us right from Day 1 that he’s going to take control. And he has done it to this point. I’m happy for him. I know it was a miserable year for him last year. Proud of him, how he’s handled himself so far.”


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- wcorvette

Still going to bench him on December 31st, tho.

Gotta admit this first part of the season has been fun and entertaining. I guess the question is:

Can this team beat Carolina, Boston, NJ, NYR, NYI, Detroit, Ottawa, Florida, Or Tampa in a 7 game series? Can they then beat one of those teams in the next round and so on? All this as currently constructed. How does this team project for next year? Is Cutter going to push them to the next level.

Also, if GMDB and POHO Jonesy believed the team as currently constructed was in fact a contender, why would they tell us this is a rebuild that may take patience and time?

I suggest that the team is overachieving right now as I presume those two know much more about the NHL than most of us wouldn’t take that approach unless they were convinced this was a rebuild. Unless they were being less than truthful. 🤔
- mikeyo27

Even when they suck I still enjoy the Flyers. I have had a lower expectation of the team for the last decade because I simply saw a decent core group that wasn’t added too and eventually had to be disbanded. The last 3-4 years were hard to watch, but I was still on board to watch as long as the effort was there and I saw a plan to get better…Fletcher (frank)ed to many things up and now I just hope DB gets it right. I hope they stick to the plan and continue to try and add young skilled guys and or draft capital. I said at the start this team with a healthy Coots and Atkinson along with the advancement of some young guys is a .500 team.

Brink is playing well and looks like he is going to be a good player but he is not as good as Frost is yet. Let me know when Brink leads the team in scoring.
- MJL

well brink is also competing against ex selke a healthy Joel and TK (played 60 games).

Frost was not. He also didn't lead the team in scoring

no interest in paying tk for 8 more years starting at age 28.

Hart may or may not be. Depends how on defines "franchise" goalie.
- hello it's me 2050

Let’s see what type of full year both guys have. It’s early.

Friedman and Marek say other teams are sniffing around Frost now that the healthy scratch count is up to 5 games, and it's an untenable situation.

"We're at five games already - that's a long time"

Friedman and Marek say other teams are sniffing around Frost now that the healthy scratch count is up to 5 games, and it's an untenable situation.

"We're at five games already - that's a long time"
- Feanor

The sharks are circling. Sharp GM’s know Danny has been put in a position of weakness.

no interest in paying tk for 8 more years starting at age 28.

Hart may or may not be. Depends how on defines "franchise" goalie.
- hello it's me 2050

That seems to be a bad habit the Flyers have never broken since the cap was implemented. Such contract terms should be reserved for stars. TK is a very good player but he is not an indispensable centerpiece star. 8/8 unless the cap goes to 125,000,000 is not a good investment.

Friedman and Marek say other teams are sniffing around Frost now that the healthy scratch count is up to 5 games, and it's an untenable situation.

"We're at five games already - that's a long time"
- Feanor

And now expecting a lower price since the coach clearly is diminishing his trade value.

The solution is so easy, but Torts won't do it. Sit ND and put Laughts on the 4th line, and get Frost back in the lineup. This should be a no brainer. That would actually be a formidable 4th line and I've always thought Laughts was a true 4th liner on a good team anyway.
- Phillywhiteout

Do you think Laughton will be pleased with that?

no interest in paying tk for 8 more years starting at age 28.

Hart may or may not be. Depends how on defines "franchise" goalie.
- hello it's me 2050

no. I like tk. but if you are rebuilding you sell high on him. Guessing coots with his contract will be here, but you don't need to tie up the cap with players that will be at the tail end of their career when the rebuild is ending.

I have to watch the out of market games. Over the past three games the other teams announcers have been discussing atkinson as a target for teams at the tdl. just a fyi

Do you think Laughton will be pleased with that?
- missingmike

no. they did this to him before and said he wasn't happy but was professional about it. scott is a interesting player as other teams would be interested in his services with his cap hit. and believe they want to keep him through the rebuild as a vet leader. putting him down may create a precarious situation.

I know it's way too early, but this team looks too good to end up bottom 5 or even bottom 7. Any chance we speed up this rebuild if Brink, Tip, York, Foerster show continued improvement through the season and end up studs? Then bring in Cutter next year, and start bulking this team up.
- West Coast Flyer

Yeah you speed up the rebuild by trading those with real value that don’t fit a realistic timeline.

You're changing your tune again. In the past adamant that they had to get top 5 picks. Other picks were no good. Good luck to Jones doing that.
- MJL

Not at all. Last year I wanted the Fyers to pick in the top 5 and even higher because clearly that draft class was worth it, similar to the 2015 class. This year's class is not as good, at least based on current projections. So since the Flyers didn't tank last season, trying to tank this season would be absolute buffoonery. At this point, the Flyers have a good team. They have good young players coming up in their system, and will have opportunity this trade deadline to move older players and gain more cap space. They will be in the position as early as next season to look to obtain a top pairing defenseman. The free agent market looks lean and there are no defenseman in the Flyers system that projects to be a top pairing defenseman, though they have several good prospects that will be good 3rd-5th NHL potentials, so the draft still looks like the best place to get one. Unfortunately it does not look like the Flyers, on their current pace, will be picking even in the top 10 of this year's draft, but there will be some good options in the top 20. Maybe the Flyers can prove having 6 good defenseman is better than having a stud top pairing defenseman.

The 4th line was bad last night again…I remember only one or two shifts where they seemed to get in on the forecheck. The one shift they were out there for almost 3 minutes!!. Personally I would drop the ineffective so far Laughton down to the 4th line and sit Poehling whom has been underwhelming the last 3-4 games and get Frost back in.
- landros 2

Forget it, it's never going to happen. Laughton is not getting dropped from the top 9, and who the Flyers play on their 4th line has absolutely zero impact on Morgan Frost. Torts has correctly pointed out Frost needs to be playing an offensive role on the team, he is not a checking line guy. Frost is going to have to sit out until an injury or a player starts playing badly in Tort's eyes.

Not at all. Last year I wanted the Fyers to pick in the top 5 and even higher because clearly that draft class was worth it, similar to the 2015 class. This year's class is not as good, at least based on current projections. So since the Flyers didn't tank last season, trying to tank this season would be absolute buffoonery. At this point, the Flyers have a good team. They have good young players coming up in their system, and will have opportunity this trade deadline to move older players and gain more cap space. They will be in the position as early as next season to look to obtain a top pairing defenseman. The free agent market looks lean and there are no defenseman in the Flyers system that projects to be a top pairing defenseman, though they have several good prospects that will be good 3rd-5th NHL potentials, so the draft still looks like the best place to get one. Unfortunately it does not look like the Flyers, on their current pace, will be picking even in the top 10 of this year's draft, but there will be some good options in the top 20. Maybe the Flyers can prove having 6 good defenseman is better than having a stud top pairing defenseman.
- jd250

Yes you were. To anyone who suggested any plan or approach that didn't result in a top 5 pick. Referencing your pet fall back players such as Frost and Sanheim that aren't any good. You never made that theory dependent on the draft class.

I doesn't seem as though you know what a franchise goalie is. Shesterkin and Vasilevsky are franchise goalies.
- MJL

Really? Based on what? What has Shesterkin won? And what would Vasey win without Stankos, Point and Hedman? Did Vegas have a "franchise" goalie last season? Carter Hart is more than good enough to backstop a team to the Cup. When you have such a goalie, why on Earth would you give than up, especially with the Flyers' history at the position?

Yes you were. To anyone who suggested any plan or approach that didn't result in a top 5 pick. Referencing your pet fall back players such as Frost and Sanheim that aren't any good. You never made that theory dependent on the draft class.
- MJL

You're wrong as usual. Both PT21 and I have said consistently that if a team wants a franchise player, the BEST chances of getting that player is picking in the top 5 or higher. BUT I will add that depends on the draft class. Clearly in 2015 there were franchise altering players in the first 20 picks. The 2023 draft class shows a lot of promise to being similar. There are other years however where the class is very weak. As a GM, you have to be looking ahead and projecting strength and depth of upcoming draft classes and feed that into the overall plan for the club. Clearly Fletcher did not do that, and thus the Flyers picked 7th last year instead of in the top 3. This year is an entirely different class and thus the plan might be different. So far anyway, this does not look like a class any team should be tanking for.