I'm glad to hear that the team has plenty of youth playing and contributing. They don't need any more?
- MJL

instead of listening to us you could actually watch them in person and see their youth for yourself... i agree frost needs to play but some of you have an agenda. rinse repeat.. same nonsense over and over again

Only if he doesn't remove the tush push from the playbook.
- hockeylover

And now expecting a lower price since the coach clearly is diminishing his trade value.
- mikeyo27

But there is no urgency to trade is an offer is sub par.

https://twitter.com/Flyer...tatus/1717892582531813832


Someone yells "Stand Up!"


- MBFlyerfan

Hard to see on a phone. Is it Frost in the suit in this video?

Really? Based on what? What has Shesterkin won? And what would Vasey win without Stankos, Point and Hedman? Did Vegas have a "franchise" goalie last season? Carter Hart is more than good enough to backstop a team to the Cup. When you have such a goalie, why on Earth would you give than up, especially with the Flyers' history at the position?
- jd250

so are more than a dozen goalies

take the glasses off then
- hello it's me 2050

Torts luvs the 4th line. He is not breaking them up.
He is not going to sit TK, Bee, Atkinson, Cates, Brink, Tippet Coots or Forester. He won't sit Laughton either but Laughton is not producing.

No one is going to be traded this soon in the season.

So tell me genius, how does Frost get into the lineup?

Really? Based on what? What has Shesterkin won? And what would Vasey win without Stankos, Point and Hedman? Did Vegas have a "franchise" goalie last season? Carter Hart is more than good enough to backstop a team to the Cup. When you have such a goalie, why on Earth would you give than up, especially with the Flyers' history at the position?
- jd250

Based on their performance and statistical data. Do me a favor, name me a top goaltender who has single handedly won a Stanley Cup without great players in front of him?
Your premise was not that he is more than good enough to backstop a team to the Cup. It's that he is a franchise goalie. There is zero information to support that Hart is a franchise goalie.

You're wrong as usual. Both PT21 and I have said consistently that if a team wants a franchise player, the BEST chances of getting that player is picking in the top 5 or higher. BUT I will add that depends on the draft class. Clearly in 2015 there were franchise altering players in the first 20 picks. The 2023 draft class shows a lot of promise to being similar. There are other years however where the class is very weak. As a GM, you have to be looking ahead and projecting strength and depth of upcoming draft classes and feed that into the overall plan for the club. Clearly Fletcher did not do that, and thus the Flyers picked 7th last year instead of in the top 3. This year is an entirely different class and thus the plan might be different. So far anyway, this does not look like a class any team should be tanking for.
- jd250

Nope, you went on and on how they needed top picks. Which is fine but now you're changing your position.

no. I like tk. but if you are rebuilding you sell high on him. Guessing coots with his contract will be here, but you don't need to tie up the cap with players that will be at the tail end of their career when the rebuild is ending.

I have to watch the out of market games. Over the past three games the other teams announcers have been discussing atkinson as a target for teams at the tdl. just a fyi
- Peter Richards

they have to move Cam, be criminal not to.

instead of listening to us you could actually watch them in person and see their youth for yourself... i agree frost needs to play but some of you have an agenda. rinse repeat.. same nonsense over and over again
- 26912 PP1

Are you claiming that you have to watch in person? I'll review for you. My position is not that they don't have youth. My position is that they're not at the point where they have a surplus of youth and can afford to sit a player like Frost out because they have so much youthful depth and a stacked lineup.
Yes, I absolutely have an agenda. I want the Flyers to do the right thing and build a Cup winning team. Improvement or being competitive and just being a playoff team loaded with veteran older player is not good enough for me. I would suggest that if you had any ability whatsoever to make a counter argument to that. You would do more than just label it nonsense.

Briere and the rest of the triumvirate is about to face a real test. A second year Tortorella coached team that is going to over achieve and make the playoffs.

You can’t write a script more Flyers than what is about to happen.
- StepfordSam

A bit presumptuous but it would be interesting to see how they approach the trade deadline if they are within striking distance of a wild card spot.

A bit presumptuous but it would be interesting to see how they approach the trade deadline if they are within striking distance of a wild card spot.
- Pelle31Forever

"It would be unfair to not give these players an opportunity"

Hard to see on a phone. Is it Frost in the suit in this video?
- missingmike

Neither. The second one is Hathaway I believe. The one sitting by the door I'm not sure of.

Torts luvs the 4th line. He is not breaking them up.
He is not going to sit TK, Bee, Atkinson, Cates, Brink, Tippet Coots or Forester. He won't sit Laughton either but Laughton is not producing.

No one is going to be traded this soon in the season.

So tell me genius, how does Frost get into the lineup?
- WhiskeyMan

just 1 simple question even you can answer.

Does the coach have options to get Frost into the lineup?

also not 1 person has suggested sitting laughton.

they have to move Cam, be criminal not to.
- wcorvette

you think there will be a market for him with an extra year left on his contract? Do you think the flyers will have to retain a %?

also you think the coach will give his stamp of approval to trade him?

A bit presumptuous but it would be interesting to see how they approach the trade deadline if they are within striking distance of a wild card spot.
- Pelle31Forever

despite what they say playoffs is always the goal.

just 1 simple question even you can answer.

Does the coach have options to get Frost into the lineup?

also not 1 person has suggested sitting laughton.
- hello it's me 2050

i suggested sitting laughton.

i suggested sitting laughton.
- WhiskeyMan

do not see any point in that at all.

you didn't answer my question.

they have to move Cam, be criminal not to.
- wcorvette

Agree. Also why I don’t drop him to the 4 th line. Let him play and bring back as much as he can.

they have to move Cam, be criminal not to.
- wcorvette

Better chance of that next year, at 5.9M per for this season and next.

no. they did this to him before and said he wasn't happy but was professional about it. scott is a interesting player as other teams would be interested in his services with his cap hit. and believe they want to keep him through the rebuild as a vet leader. putting him down may create a precarious situation.
- Peter Richards

All of these situations have been created by the same man.
Hayes value plummeted because of him
Frost sits and loses value because of him
ND stays in the game because of him
DB is getting his hands tied again because of him
His biases hurt the franchise. I do admit that Torts gets a lot out of his players but his personal biases have gotten very old, especially with a talented kid like frost

How are we feeling about York+Brink over Caufield?
- atibus

I wanted Caufield. But we did get two solid picks over what appears to be a 40-goal scorer. I think Caufield has the higher ceiling but we could have a top 6 forward (maybe 30 goals?) and a top 4 defenseman. York and Brink will continue to develop and they look like strong NHL players. Caufield is a natural scorer and should crack 40 goals every year he is healthy. I think this season will provide a clearer picture.

just 1 simple question even you can answer.

Does the coach have options to get Frost into the lineup?

also not 1 person has suggested sitting laughton.
- hello it's me 2050

Players who will never sit unless forced by injury;

Coots, Laughton, TK, Cates, Atkinson, York, Risto, ND, Hart, Ersson

Players who have a ton of rope before being benched;

Farabee, Tippett, Foerster, Brink, Tippett, Poehling, Hathaway, Sanheim, Seeler, Walker

Players that will be benched as soon as the roster number requires it;

Belpedio, Zamula (100% both will sit when Staal and Risto return and no other d-man is injuried)

Players that get zero leeway;

Frost

Nobody cares;

Mete, Sandstrom

Brink for sure is making the Flyers a better team, under the radar is Farabee, he is playing good hockey and seems to be back to where he was before injury. The two together are really creating havoc. I agree Cates is playing well and he fits with the two, he has a great stick and wins board battles but the offensive flair is coming from Brink and Farabee.

I wanted Caufield. But we did get two solid picks over what appears to be a 40-goal scorer. I think Caufield has the higher ceiling but we could have a top 6 forward (maybe 30 goals?) and a top 4 defenseman. York and Brink will continue to develop and they look like strong NHL players. Caufield is a natural scorer and should crack 40 goals every year he is healthy. I think this season will provide a clearer picture.
- cdearth23

If Brink is a consistent 30 goal and York is a good top 4 d-man I think the Flyers are at least even on the exchange. That is assuming Caulfield is a consistent 40 goal scorer.

None of those things are true right now.