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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:25 PM ET
The team has been playing pretty well without him. Bring him back when a slump happens. Let’s see what he is made of
- Keyser soze


Yep, this team is playing pretty well. They don't need any other players. Good to go! LMAO
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:43 PM ET
The team has been playing pretty well without him. Bring him back when a slump happens. Let’s see what he is made of
- Keyser soze

team is playing well without him only reason to bring him back it to kill chemistry and start losing games
THE EVIL WITHIN
Season Ticket Holder
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Oct 27 @ 6:20 PM ET
team is playing well without him only reason to bring him back it to kill chemistry and start losing games
- 2Real

I guess Torts think Poehling is better defensively. So long they win Torts has the upper hand.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 27 @ 7:53 PM ET
They have Ersson, Kolosov, Bjarnason and Zavragin. They could good get a good return of future assets for Hart. Especially if he is a franchise goalie as you claim.
- MJL

define a good retunr in your opinion
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 27 @ 8:00 PM ET
Russ and bundy referring to the MN game as the brink-out game.
Love it!
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 27 @ 8:04 PM ET
The team looks just fine in the past 5 games ... why can't people just accept that Frost is not that good? They put up 6 goals last night, Geez!
- jd250


A) Because it's not true
B) The Wild have allowed 31 goals in ther last six games. Scoring six on them they way they've been playing isn't a huge feet. It's taking care of business against a team that's a complete mess off puck.
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Oct 27 @ 8:44 PM ET
What’s the obsession with Frost? Seriously. This guy a good half season then held out like he was doing it for years. I’m a little old school as well. I honestly laughed when I saw him out of the lineup. I hope Tortorella keeps him out longer.
- Keyser soze


Frosty is a great topic for debate. I assume part of the obsession is that he was a 1st round pick as part of the Schenn trade (which was a Hexy move). Being a Schenn fan, I wasn't happy with the trade. Then he had the setbacks with injuries, etc. I've always said I was doubtful of Frosty but admit that his performance in the 2nd half last season had me changing my mind. I don't agree with it, but Torts is the kind of guy that doesn't like certain players (I assume work ethic but before MJL jumps down my throat, maybe it's just Torts being Torts) and will try to make an example out of them. I'm old school as well but I do think they need to get Frosty back in the lineup.
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Oct 27 @ 8:51 PM ET
Yep, this team is playing pretty well. They don't need any other players. Good to go! LMAO
- MJL


Wait, you want them to lose so they get rid of Torts, DB, Jonesy, etc and rebuild the proper way. Wouldn't Frosty make them better if he was in the lineup over scrubs like anyone on the 4th line?
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Oct 27 @ 8:52 PM ET
Russ and bundy referring to the MN game as the brink-out game.
Love it!

- Bob Habib


That's great and so awesome seeing Brink not only being given a chance, but producing.
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Oct 27 @ 8:55 PM ET
A) Because it's not true
B) The Wild have allowed 31 goals in ther last six games. Scoring six on them they way they've been playing isn't a huge feet. It's taking care of business against a team that's a complete mess off puck.

- bmeltzer



Good points, Bill. That said, what do you think it will take to get Frosty back in the lineup? Do we need to lose a few in a row or does someone have to get in Torts' doghouse?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Oct 27 @ 8:57 PM ET
A) Because it's not true
B) The Wild have allowed 31 goals in ther last six games. Scoring six on them they way they've been playing isn't a huge feet. It's taking care of business against a team that's a complete mess off puck.

- bmeltzer



They were a tire fire. The amount of turnovers in their own zone was unbelievable.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 27 @ 8:58 PM ET
Good points, Bill. That said, what do you think it will take to get Frosty back in the lineup? Do we need to lose a few in a row or does someone have to get in Torts' doghouse?
- Don Nachbaur


They've recently lost two in a row.
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Oct 27 @ 9:08 PM ET
They've recently lost two in a row.
- MJL


Yes they did and as much as we do not always agree on things, one was an OT loss and both losses were by one point. If we got crushed in those losses, I think Torts might react differently. I should have been more specific...if we lose 3-5 as opposed to a few.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 27 @ 9:31 PM ET
Yes they did and as much as we do not always agree on things, one was an OT loss and both losses were by one point. If we got crushed in those losses, I think Torts might react differently. I should have been more specific...if we lose 3-5 as opposed to a few.
- Don Nachbaur




Honestly, there isn't a situation that is going to make Tortorella change, other than an injury. The GM either doesn't have the balls to stand up to Tortorella and force him to play Frost or he agrees with it. Either way, that's a problem. This coach has to go.


mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Oct 27 @ 9:45 PM ET
A) Because it's not true
B) The Wild have allowed 31 goals in ther last six games. Scoring six on them they way they've been playing isn't a huge feet. It's taking care of business against a team that's a complete mess off puck.

- bmeltzer


The man scored 19 goals in 81 games and added 27 assists. I don’t understand how anyone can’t see he’s an asset. If the guy got to play and improved even slightly, he could be a 25-35-60 guy. That’s not a stretch and very conservative considering his talent. How is that not a worth taking a shot on? Perplexing.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 27 @ 10:02 PM ET
Honestly, there isn't a situation that is going to make Tortorella change, other than an injury. The GM either doesn't have the balls to stand up to Tortorella and force him to play Frost or he agrees with it. Either way, that's a problem. This coach has to go.
- MJL
I'm gonna start taking bets on the over/under on how many times a day you are going to say Torts has to go.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 27 @ 10:07 PM ET
I'm gonna start taking bets on the over/under on how many times a day you are going to say Torts has to go.

- Phillywhiteout


Cool, I'll do the same on how many times you post "Thanks"
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Oct 27 @ 10:09 PM ET
Honestly, there isn't a situation that is going to make Tortorella change, other than an injury. The GM either doesn't have the balls to stand up to Tortorella and force him to play Frost or he agrees with it. Either way, that's a problem. This coach has to go.
- MJL


You might be correct based on Torts' track record. I love DB and hope he does well with this team but he is still new and he will have to adapt to his new role. i've said before that I'm not a Torts hater, but I don't like him for this team. I still think the org will let Torts ride things out so we have to accept it, like it or not. In this case, I do think the powers that be should force the issue and get Frosty back in the lineup to see if he can get back to his spring of 23 form.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 27 @ 10:13 PM ET
so the 5-2 Niners have their starting QB in the concussion protocol and the eagles are the ones in trouble
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 27 @ 10:13 PM ET
You might be correct based on Torts' track record. I love DB and hope he does well with this team but he is still new and he will have to adapt to his new role. i've said before that I'm not a Torts hater, but I don't like him for this team. I still think the org will let Torts ride things out so we have to accept it, like it or not. In this case, I do think the powers that be should force the issue and get Frosty back in the lineup to see if he can get back to his spring of 23 form.
- Don Nachbaur


It was more than just a spring form. He led the team in scoring over the last 56 games of the season. That's 68% of the season. Imagine if Tortorella hadn't stuck him on the 4th line for the first month or so of the season.
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Oct 27 @ 10:15 PM ET
The man scored 19 goals in 81 games and added 27 assists. I don’t understand how anyone can’t see he’s an asset. If the guy got to play and improved even slightly, he could be a 25-35-60 guy. That’s not a stretch and very conservative considering his talent. How is that not a worth taking a shot on? Perplexing.
- mikeyo27


Yes, as a non-Frosty fan in the past, I want to see him play and prove that he belongs.
I'm also one that doesn't want him playing 8-10 mins in the 4th line so it's a tough call. Injuries will occur especially with guys like Coots and Cam in the lineup. They are healthy now so Torts has to figure a way to get Frosty back in.
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Oct 27 @ 10:22 PM ET
It was more than just a spring form. He led the team in scoring over the last 56 games of the season. That's 68% of the season. Imagine if Tortorella hadn't stuck him on the 4th line for the first month or so of the season.
- MJL


Yes, and that's why I changed my tune on him. We can go back and forth on meaningless games, but he did step it up. Bottom line is we aren't that good of a team, so who knows how Frosty would perform if on a contender. No way he is a first liner but perhaps he could be a solid 2-3 liner.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 27 @ 10:34 PM ET
Yes, and that's why I changed my tune on him. We can go back and forth on meaningless games, but he did step it up. Bottom line is we aren't that good of a team, so who knows how Frosty would perform if on a contender. No way he is a first liner but perhaps he could be a solid 2-3 liner.
- Don Nachbaur


Frost actually started stepping up over the last 30 games of the 21/22 season on a line with Cates and Tippett. Of course Tortorella completely dismissed that and saddled Frost on the 4th line to start the 22/23 season. That has escalated to completely scratching him in 23/24
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 27 @ 10:40 PM ET
Cool, I'll do the same on how many times you post "Thanks"
- MJL
Thanks!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 27 @ 10:42 PM ET
Wait, you want them to lose so they get rid of Torts, DB, Jonesy, etc and rebuild the proper way. Wouldn't Frosty make them better if he was in the lineup over scrubs like anyone on the 4th line?
- Don Nachbaur


Where did I say I wanted them to lose?
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