Now the Devils could be the formula to follow, where they get that luck, but also blend in area of need while actually making the playoffs after a short struggle.

The Sabres have some issues and areas they need to improve but the cap is not a problem for them. They're in good shape there.
- MJL

No cap issues for any team

I really wish people could just say that the player is a pleasant surprise and playing well. The trade deadline is far away. We can cross that bridge when we get there. I thought Walker was just a throw in, but he might be the Flyers second best defender behind Sanheim at the moment. If I'm not mistaken he was a pretty good player before his knee injury.
- Phillywhiteout

He was top 4 in LA before his injury and was still working his way back from it.

Was told his value was down 😆
- ClaudeFather

You were told correct… if you traded him this very minute compared to at the last years draft or beginning of Fa which return would be greater?

Here’s a clue it WOULDNT be if you traded him at this very minute. So laugh away. You are wrong. You conveniently forget to add things like cap space draft capital etc etc etc into equation.

And this does not even begin to take into account the risk of future play injury slump etc etc etc

So yeah whoever told you his value is down definitely knows what they are talking about.

Ridiculous. The best part of some players performing well so far is that it’s increasing value. They need to be in a position of strength at the tdl for once and command a very high price. Like I said before. Expedite the rebuild. Make trades for not just picks but teams best prospects close to the nhl. That’s what I expect db to do and I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t.
- Hextall271

For every 1 steal or raping at deadline there are a thousand underwhelming trades in respect to return on the trade that happen. Odds are not good of getting max value for any player at tdl compared to draft time or when new league starts when teams have known exponents to trade. Cap space. Draft capital etc.

They’ve already signed all the guys that matter lol. They need more, the team needs to figure out the goalie and get some guys to help the core. The home grown guys they have are good but they need more, this isn’t it
- ClaudeFather

Need more? Like savoi benson Rosen etc etc etc.
Levi is 21. That team is young. Their core that matters are very young. Where Buffalo (frank)ed up os not bringing a younger vet that’s good into team this season to start and have Levi back up.

This is actually my argument about the tanking that everyone wants (well not everyone). The Sabres seem like they have been tanking forever and they still suck. They've missed the playoffs 12 straight years and look like they are on their way to 13. I'll be surprised if their coach isn't removed soon cause either they are playing uninspired/confused hockey or the Flyers are better than we think.
- Phillywhiteout

They tank 1 season. For mcdavid. Which every poop team SHOULD have been doing so you can’t blame them for that…

The problem and mistake buffalo made was once they got eichel they made the fatal mistake of trying to speed up the rebuild and traded tons of picks for players that didn’t pan out. It pushed them back years and eventually led to eichel trade.

You simply can’t trade picks to speed up a rebuild in vast approach. Sure maybe a pick or so but Buffalo went all in. Once they course corrected and traded Lehner oreilly eichel Reinhardt etc etc you see the results. They really are in like year 4 of rebuild maybe year 5.

If philly didn’t suck cock so much they’d be doing same thing Buffalo did but they won’t because they suck.

Lehner oreilly Reinhardt etc etc etc
Hart tk laughts etc etc etc

One team turned those into young guys that are now part of real future and locked up and producing at upper league levels and well… the other team? Trodding along with really no hope at all.

You were told correct… if you traded him this very minute compared to at the last years draft or beginning of Fa which return would be greater?

Here’s a clue it WOULDNT be if you traded him at this very minute. So laugh away. You are wrong. You conveniently forget to add things like cap space draft capital etc etc etc into equation.

And this does not even begin to take into account the risk of future play injury slump etc etc etc

So yeah whoever told you his value is down definitely knows what they are talking about.
- SMS4016

Get a clue bud, they would be trading him at the deadline again or in the offf season. Where his value will be just as high or higher than last year. You trying to slap on an irrelevant time period like after game 10 when no one is making trades is asinine.

Need more? Like savoi benson Rosen etc etc etc.
Levi is 21. That team is young. Their core that matters are very young. Where Buffalo (frank)ed up os not bringing a younger vet that’s good into team this season to start and have Levi back up.
- SMS4016

I’ve already stated they blew the goaltending situation. Let’s keep waiting, I’m sure this will turn around for them 😂

Get a clue bud, they would be trading him at the deadline again or in the offf season. Where his value will be just as high or higher than last year. You trying to slap on an irrelevant time period like after game 10 when no one is making trades is asinine.
- ClaudeFather

Sort of like taking his 10 game timeline of what he’s done so far this season? Isn’t that asinine? Isn’t that also irrelevant because you are projecting his future from now to tdl or next draft etc etc etc.

I love how people deal in hypotheticals while disregarding the known. Could his trade value go up? Yes certainly it COULD. Could it also go into the tank? Yes it certainly could. Regression to the means, injury, etc etc etc these variables are always overlooked.

We know he had a high trade value at draft. This minute his value is lower than that. What is gained by keeping him until tdl or next draft. Nothing is gained. Please tell me what’s gained? The chance his value can go up? At the expense of rebuilding? Or prolonging it? Same goes for hart. Same for laughts. Etc etc etc

Edit: obviously they have to keep him now. I was more speaking to that he should’ve been traded at last years draft time or around then. I’m not saying just give him away now. Might as well stick it out and hope the variables go in his favor now

Buff +135 on the goal line. That the play
- hello it's me 2050

good call dope

Sort of like taking his 10 game timeline of what he’s done so far this season? Isn’t that asinine? Isn’t that also irrelevant because you are projecting his future from now to tdl or next draft etc etc etc.

I love how people deal in hypotheticals while disregarding the known. Could his trade value go up? Yes certainly it COULD. Could it also go into the tank? Yes it certainly could. Regression to the means, injury, etc etc etc these variables are always overlooked.

We know he had a high trade value at draft. This minute his value is lower than that. What is gained by keeping him until tdl or next draft. Nothing is gained. Please tell me what’s gained? The chance his value can go up? At the expense of rebuilding? Or prolonging it? Same goes for hart. Same for laughts. Etc etc etc

Edit: obviously they have to keep him now. I was more speaking to that he should’ve been traded at last years draft time or around then. I’m not saying just give him away now. Might as well stick it out and hope the variables go in his favor now
- SMS4016

I personally agree with you that trading him in the off season around the draft has the potential to fetch a higher return. However you're talking nonsense when you state that others are dealing in hypotheticals and dismissing the known. Everything you're stating is a hypothetical. You also don't know for a fact that his value is lower now. It only takes one team to make a deal with. I can certainly provide some facts to support why trading him in the off season has a higher potential for a better return but I can't state it as fact. Neither can you. You also can't state it as a fact that they could've gotten a better return last off season versus trading him any time in the future.

good call dope
- hello it's me 2050

Sort of like taking his 10 game timeline of what he’s done so far this season? Isn’t that asinine? Isn’t that also irrelevant because you are projecting his future from now to tdl or next draft etc etc etc.

I love how people deal in hypotheticals while disregarding the known. Could his trade value go up? Yes certainly it COULD. Could it also go into the tank? Yes it certainly could. Regression to the means, injury, etc etc etc these variables are always overlooked.

We know he had a high trade value at draft. This minute his value is lower than that. What is gained by keeping him until tdl or next draft. Nothing is gained. Please tell me what’s gained? The chance his value can go up? At the expense of rebuilding? Or prolonging it? Same goes for hart. Same for laughts. Etc etc etc

Edit: obviously they have to keep him now. I was more speaking to that he should’ve been traded at last years draft time or around then. I’m not saying just give him away now. Might as well stick it out and hope the variables go in his favor now
- SMS4016

Forgive my ignorance, but are we talking about TK here? The guy has 40 goals in his last 71 games, so how has his trade value dropped?

Forgive my ignorance, but are we talking about TK here? The guy has 40 goals in his last 71 games, so how has his trade value dropped?
- Phillywhiteout

The reason why his value has potentially dropped from the time frame of the last draft compared to now, is not due to any difference in Konecny as a player. It's due to factors such as the cap and more teams as potential trade partners. The more teams involved, the bidding process can drive up the return. Now of course, it only takes one team to make a deal with so it also possible the same level of deal could be made now versus at the past draft.

They tank 1 season. For mcdavid. Which every poop team SHOULD have been doing so you can’t blame them for that…

The problem and mistake buffalo made was once they got eichel they made the fatal mistake of trying to speed up the rebuild and traded tons of picks for players that didn’t pan out. It pushed them back years and eventually led to eichel trade.

You simply can’t trade picks to speed up a rebuild in vast approach. Sure maybe a pick or so but Buffalo went all in. Once they course corrected and traded Lehner oreilly eichel Reinhardt etc etc you see the results. They really are in like year 4 of rebuild maybe year 5.

If philly didn’t suck cock so much they’d be doing same thing Buffalo did but they won’t because they suck.

Lehner oreilly Reinhardt etc etc etc
Hart tk laughts etc etc etc

One team turned those into young guys that are now part of real future and locked up and producing at upper league levels and well… the other team? Trodding along with really no hope at all.
- SMS4016

Boy that escalated…with the whole Fellatio analogy.😂

Forgive my ignorance, but are we talking about TK here? The guy has 40 goals in his last 71 games, so how has his trade value dropped?
- Phillywhiteout

There’s games where by he looks elite. He’s carrying the play and making others around him better. If they do move on from him they had better get a couple of important future pieces.

The reason why his value has potentially dropped from the time frame of the last draft compared to now, is not due to any difference in Konecny as a player. It's due to factors such as the cap and more teams as potential trade partners. The more teams involved, the bidding process can drive up the return. Now of course, it only takes one team to make a deal with so it also possible the same level of deal could be made now versus at the past draft.
- MJL

I would think if TK plays this season at the level he has started and also based on last year he would have plenty of suitors. I'm not sure I part ways with him or Hart though. I think that is part of the problem with the Sabres. They have a bunch of young kids trying to find their way and a bunch of worthless veterans. I think you need some younger vets to mix in with when the kids are cutting their teeth in the NHL. Laughts is a no brainer to be traded IMO, but he won't fetch a package that the other two will.

I would think if TK plays this season at the level he has started and also based on last year he would have plenty of suitors. I'm not sure I part ways with him or Hart though. I think that is part of the problem with the Sabres. They have a bunch of young kids trying to find their way and a bunch of worthless veterans. I think you need some younger vets to mix in with when the kids are cutting their teeth in the NHL. Laughts is a no brainer to be traded IMO, but he won't fetch a package that the other two will.
- Phillywhiteout

I think Konecny is a really good player but is he a player you sign to an 8 year deal for 8M a year or so? I don't know. I guess it depends on what one thinks the timeline is for the Flyers to get to contention. Have to think that any team you're going to trade Konecny to, is going to be a team that thinks it can win. So, you won't get a top 5 or top 10 pick likely. If you're not going to tank, then you should probably re-sign Konecny.

The reason why his value has potentially dropped from the time frame of the last draft compared to now, is not due to any difference in Konecny as a player. It's due to factors such as the cap and more teams as potential trade partners. The more teams involved, the bidding process can drive up the return. Now of course, it only takes one team to make a deal with so it also possible the same level of deal could be made now versus at the past draft.
- MJL

But no one assumes a trade is happening today, and like you said it only takes one team. He’s having another good season, his value at this deadline or upcoming off season will not be lowered. If he keeps filling the net, it could be higher

But no one assumes a trade is happening today, and like you said it only takes one team. He’s having another good season, his value at this deadline or upcoming off season will not be lowered. If he keeps filling the net, it could be higher
- ClaudeFather

The value of a player is not just about how good the player is. It's also about the market. There would potentially be a bigger market in the off season then at the deadline. Certainly a bigger market in both situations then there likely is now. The Flyers have control. They don't need to trade Konecny at any point this season. You set a price and if a team meets it, you make the deal. The other poster is wrong in stating that there are knowns. It's all speculation.

The value of a player is not just about how good the player is. It's also about the market. There would potentially be a bigger market in the off season then at the deadline. Certainly a bigger market in both situations then there likely is now. The Flyers have control. They don't need to trade Konecny at any point this season. You set a price and if a team meets it, you make the deal. The other poster is wrong in stating that there are knowns. It's all speculation.
- MJL

Yes, but saying his value is lower is asinine. Just because no one is making trades doesn’t mean we would sell a guy for less. That’s the part he seems to be missing. His value will still be high when the trades pick up whenever that is

Yes, but saying his value is lower is asinine. Just because no one is making trades doesn’t mean we would sell a guy for less. That’s the part he seems to be missing. His value will still be high when the trades pick up whenever that is
- ClaudeFather

His point is correct but he's just not phrasing it correctly. The Flyers set the price. If they're going to trade him, again they don't have to trade him. They won't deal him if they don't get the return they want. What changes is the market at different times. Right now, there probably isn't much of market. Doesn't mean that Konecny's value is lower. The market is what potentially changes. Not the player's value in terms of being lower. The Flyers won't or at least shouldn't take less just because of a market fluctuation based on time of season. Certain times can increase the return but again, it only takes one team.

His point is correct but he's just not phrasing it correctly. The Flyers set the price. If they're going to trade him, again they don't have to trade him. They won't deal him if they don't get the return they want. What changes is the market at different times. Right now, there probably isn't much of market. Doesn't mean that Konecny's value is lower. The market is what potentially changes. Not the player's value in terms of being lower. The Flyers won't or at least shouldn't take less just because of a market fluctuation based on time of season. Certain times can increase the return but again, it only takes one team.
- MJL

all that needs to be said, pretending his value is lower is incorrect

I think Konecny is a really good player but is he a player you sign to an 8 year deal for 8M a year or so? I don't know. I guess it depends on what one thinks the timeline is for the Flyers to get to contention. Have to think that any team you're going to trade Konecny to, is going to be a team that thinks it can win. So, you won't get a top 5 or top 10 pick likely. If you're not going to tank, then you should probably re-sign Konecny.
- MJL

Guess that's why I'm glad I'm not a GM. I simply don't know if I'd want to give that kind of money/term to TK. He also isn't the biggest guy in the world and he goes to the dirty areas. Problem is that he does tend to get banged up at times. The other factor is that they already have Coots signed to that 8 year deal and there is only so much to go around (even though the cap is going up next year). Same with Hart. He's won everywhere he has been and he played well in the 2020 playoffs, so I'd like to see him get the chance behind a good team, but I think he can officially be labeled as injury prone with this latest injury.

I also want more than picks back for a guy like TK. A couple almost NHL ready prospects (at least one) would have to be included to even get me to listen to someone's offer.