Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 11/4/23 vs LA; BUF Wrap; Phantoms

We can get a good luck at what prospects and players we will get from LA for Carter hart tonight

"He will miss at least one more game but should hopefully be OK for the upcoming west coast road trip."

So in flyers medical talk does this mean he is officially week to week?
Is it multilayered?
Has anyone confirmed that he is still alive?

"He will miss at least one more game but should hopefully be OK for the upcoming west coast road trip."

So in flyers medical talk does this mean he is officially week to week?
Is it multilayered?
Has anyone confirmed that he is still alive?
- Bob Habib

Who is this "he" we're talking?

Who is this "he" we're talking?
- Pelle31Forever

Couturier.

Couturier.
- bmeltzer

I think it's pretty obvious that this is an ongoing issue from earlier when he missed a practice and was doubtful for a game and then played. Something lingering. Now it's day-to-day and "he should be ready for the road trip" This is what the Flyers do. They don't let a minor injury fully heal. The player "plays through it" and it eventually becomes a bigger issue. When will they learn?

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 11/4/23 vs LA; BUF Wrap; Phantoms
- bmeltzer

Is rr going to be ready for opening night next season?

I think it's pretty obvious that this is an ongoing issue from earlier when he missed a practice and was doubtful for a game and then played. Something lingering. Now it's day-to-day and "he should be ready for the road trip" This is what the Flyers do. They don't let a minor injury fully heal. The player "plays through it" and it eventually becomes a bigger issue. When will they learn?
- MJL

Sadly, I'd assume that in most to all cases the player is the one responsible for playing... they either play down the injury... or, when possible, hide it. The coaches, trainers, and/or medical staff must detect the injury, determine the severity, and overrule the player to shut them down. Now, I'm not saying you are in any way wrong... nor am I defending the organization... I'm merely pointing out hurdles that has to be somehow jumped over... and wondering how certain the Fkyers would have to be before they shut down a player insisting they are basically good to go... err on the side of caution, or err on the side of icing the best team to win the game. I guess I'm saying it is not cut and dried... and pointing to past history does not justify discerning a current individual specific case. Coots is definitely an all-out player, but I'm certain he doesn't want to risk another longterm injury; with him, I'd tend be more trusting.

They’re going to get crushed tonight.10 1. (Side note: every time I post something like this, they win haha )

Good to see tuomaala finding his way. I hope to see him continue to put it all together

Who is this "he" we're talking?
- Pelle31Forever

Didn't you read Bill's excellent article?

Sadly, I'd assume that in most to all cases the player is the one responsible for playing... they either play down the injury... or, when possible, hide it. The coaches, trainers, and/or medical staff must detect the injury, determine the severity, and overrule the player to shut them down. Now, I'm not saying you are in any way wrong... nor am I defending the organization... I'm merely pointing out hurdles that has to be somehow jumped over... and wondering how certain the Fkyers would have to be before they shut down a player insisting they are basically good to go... err on the side of caution, or err on the side of icing the best team to win the game. I guess I'm saying it is not cut and dried... and pointing to past history does not justify discerning a current individual specific case. Coots is definitely an all-out player, but I'm certain he doesn't want to risk another longterm injury; with him, I'd tend be more trusting.
- ForeverFlyer16

What is cut and dry. Feedback from the player is always part of it but the Flyers can certainly be more cautious and hold a player out longer. This early in the season, a player tweeks something, sit him out for a game or two. Rather than it's something he can play through.

The player is always going to want to play. It’s up to the Flyers to manage injuries better.

We all saw what happened with Deangelo when he ate lunch with the team when injured. He was labeled a girly man by Tortorella and he held a grudge.

What is cut and dry. Feedback from the player is always part of it but the Flyers can certainly be more cautious and hold a player out longer. This early in the season, a player tweeks something, sit him out for a game or two. Rather than it's something he can play through.
- MJL

Certainly... but I'm speaking about cases where the player is very insistent... and secretive. They team has vowed to try and win every game, so they often tread a fine line at times when decerning the honestly of the player. I do understand though that strict supporters of rebuilding could go with the side of caution... even without certainty, or at least more than surmising. In this case, it does appear that they are with Coots... although we have no idea what Couturier is telling them, and he may be shutting himself down due to caution. I'm praying he is merely a tad banged up.

The player is always going to want to play. It’s up to the Flyers to manage injuries better.

We all saw what happened with Deangelo when he ate lunch with the team when injured. He was labeled a girly man by Tortorella and he held a grudge.
- StepfordSam

TDA was never a Torts guy... he like Hayes were doomed no matter what.

Certainly... but I'm speaking about cases where the player is very insistent... and secretive. They team has vowed to try and win every game, so they often tread a fine line at times when decerning the honestly of the player. I do understand though that strict supporters of rebuilding could go with the side of caution... even without certainty, or at least more than surmising. In this case, it does appear that they are with Coots... although we have no idea what Couturier is telling them, and he may be shutting himself down due to caution. I'm praying he is merely a tad banged up.
- ForeverFlyer16

We know with Couturier that it was not secretive. He was held out of a prior practice. We were told he wasn't going to play I think the day before and then on game day, he played. Why would I place blame on the Flyers if they didn't know about a player injury because the player was hiding it?

I feel need to clarify a little with debates of trade value of players. I do concede that while the “value” of a player today changes everyday and therefore can CERTAINLY increase in future and that is definitely a projection game and players like tk hart etc do stand a decent if not good chance to increase their value. But what also needs to be considered is the dip in the trade markets. Counting on a “just need 1 team” or “a bidding war” simply is a risk one shouldn’t take. Yes it can work out but the odds are against it. For every deal done where player was held when value was decent or high and it went higher and great deal was struck there’s a 100 where the value dipped.

So yea I believe those players should’ve been moved.

They weren’t. The question is at what point do they move them? Do they move them? Etc etc etc

Certainly... but I'm speaking about cases where the player is very insistent... and secretive. They team has vowed to try and win every game, so they often tread a fine line at times when decerning the honestly of the player. I do understand though that strict supporters of rebuilding could go with the side of caution... even without certainty, or at least more than surmising. In this case, it does appear that they are with Coots... although we have no idea what Couturier is telling them, and he may be shutting himself down due to caution. I'm praying he is merely a tad banged up.
- ForeverFlyer16

Wade Allison comes to mind for me right away. There is no way he will tell the staff he has an injury unless it is so serious he has no choice. After Torts "he's always hurt" comments there is just no way. And it makes me wonder if there is something to that, in the way he is playing right now.

That guy would have to be dying before he would admit he has an injury IMO

Risto on LTIR to make room for Cal.

I feel need to clarify a little with debates of trade value of players. I do concede that while the “value” of a player today changes everyday and therefore can CERTAINLY increase in future and that is definitely a projection game and players like tk hart etc do stand a decent if not good chance to increase their value. But what also needs to be considered is the dip in the trade markets. Counting on a “just need 1 team” or “a bidding war” simply is a risk one shouldn’t take. Yes it can work out but the odds are against it. For every deal done where player was held when value was decent or high and it went higher and great deal was struck there’s a 100 where the value dipped.

So yea I believe those players should’ve been moved.

They weren’t. The question is at what point do they move them? Do they move them? Etc etc etc
- SMS4016

There was little risk to the Flyers not trading those players this past off season. When you're a team in the Flyers position. You don't lock yourself into a time frame and say, we have to trade this player now. They are in control here. They don't have to trade either player unless they first, want to trade the player. Secondly that they get the right deal. Flyers have screwed themselves a bunch of times by putting themselves in a position of announcing to the world that they're going to trade a player. Or putting themselves in a position of taking it on the chin because they have to move a player because of an issue with the coach or a cap issue.

We know with Couturier that it was not secretive. He was held out of a prior practice. We were told he wasn't going to play I think the day before and then on game day, he played. Why would I place blame on the Flyers if they didn't know about a player injury because the player was hiding it?
- MJL

You wouldn't/shouldn't... the response was about the insinuation that the Flyers not holding out injured players (in caution), and i commented on how players hold back info in order to play... Coots was merely in the discussion. The point was, while the organization has not had a great track record with injuries, the coaches and staff are not always the driving force, and in fact are caught up in the player's desire to stay in lineup... and the organization's intention to attempt to try and win each game. I hope we all can basically agree on that.

You wouldn't/shouldn't... the response was about the insinuation that the Flyers not holding out injured players (in caution), and i commented on how players hold back info in order to play... Coots was merely in the discussion. The point was, while the organization has not had a great track record with injuries, the coaches and staff are not always the driving force, and in fact are caught up in the player's desire to stay in lineup... and the organization's intention to attempt to try and win each game. I hope we all can basically agree on that.
- ForeverFlyer16

It doesn't matter what the reasoning is. The Flyers have a track record of players going in and out of the lineup. With injuries escalating from day to day, into week to week and worse. It happens frequently. Couturier is the most recent example. It needs to be corrected. The Flyers make the lineup and control which players play and which ones don't.

MM 1 and 1 today, go roof

Goal!! Look at this shot

https://x.com/ungertaker/...&t=KsmjLq4WG_yy0GPJkp-SFg

MM 1 and 1 today, go roof

Goal!! Look at this shot

https://x.com/ungertaker/...&t=KsmjLq4WG_yy0GPJkp-SFg
- wcorvette

I think he’s going to be quite the addition to the team if he ever comes over.

I think he’s going to be quite the addition to the team if he ever comes over.
- Hextall271

GM’s always have risk in what they do, hope your top 5 and 7 pick hit their lid and on MM, come over. Next 1-3 years will be interesting for the Flyers