That first line is just not working. Kreider is doing what he is supposed to do, but Zib and Kakko I know Kakko is the focus, and he has been terrible, but Zib is just as terrible and hes supposed to drive that line.
- mdw7413

Zib needs the frosted tips

I mean you're not wrong. Zibanejad is more noticeable that Kakko. Kakko has been terrible. That lines works when it comes to looking at in a deeper dive. But I'm almost at the end of my rope with Kakko. He, Jones and Schneider were flat out terrible Saturday.
- blacksheep1

l disagree with many on this point. The top line has not produced, obviously. But, they have only given up 1 goal against a 5v5. Hardly a situation that MUST be addressed before any other. There has not been one season that Zibanejad hasn't started out slowly and then gone off like a firecracker. I say, if they can continue to not cost us on the scoreboard, let them work it out. We have limited options for shuffling. I think, while probably ending up short of expectations, KK will still end up making progress on the season as a whole.

I would say that if you're getting both of those players, both at 50% discounts, you're going to be giving up more than one piece that you don't want to part with
- eichiefs9

which means Othman or Perrault...I might consider it if extensions would be worked out.

Like a large majority of this team, consistently inconsistent.

https://hockeystatcards.com/skater?id=8482073
- blacksheep1

Oof, I'm guessing its bad when expected goals against are more than expected goals for....

Zib needs the frosted tips
- TPC

Rangers are 8 2 1 and sit in first place, 4th in the league only 11 games in and already we have people clamoring to trade the few young players we have to let them go and become top players on another team. Didnt the Sens do that with Zib??

Do we really need a major trade??? Cap space be damned!!!

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l disagree with many on this point. The top line has not produced, obviously. But, they have only given up 1 goal against a 5v5. Hardly a situation that MUST be addressed before any other. There has not been one season that Zibanejad hasn't started out slowly and then gone off like a firecracker. I say, if they can continue to not cost us on the scoreboard, let them work it out. We have limited options for shuffling. I think, while probably ending up short of expectations, KK will still end up making progress on the season as a whole.
- Tonybere

You know the most active player Kakko has a similarity score to?

Chris Tierney.

Oof, I'm guessing its bad when expected goals against are more than expected goals for....
- mdw7413

Yes.

- mdw7413

Lol

So my thinking is we are very proactive here and see what it would take to steal Lebanc from San Jose. Guy has 1 assist through 7 games he’s still young and feel like he could be had for peanuts. Cap hit isn’t so bad. Thoughts???
- Awolff9

I’d get on board with getting Duclair from SJ. Speed guy who shoots the puck. I know he’s been hurt but I doubt he’d cost much other than a draft pick. Cap wise he’s fairly cheap at 3 million bucks. Anything they do can’t be until the TDL most likely

Rangers are 8 2 1 and sit in first place, 4th in the league only 11 games in and already we have people clamoring to trade the few young players we have to let them go and become top players on another team. Didnt the Sens do that with Zib??

Do we really need a major trade??? Cap space be damned!!!



- Brukie

Through 281 games with the Sens, Zibanejad had 151 points. Through 250 games Kaapo Kakko has 100 points and is comparable to Chris Tierney. Zibanejad was 2x 20 goal scorer at the time of this trade and 50 point player. Kakko has accomplished all of that... ZERO times thus far.

We might have to just face facts that Kakko might be bad comparable to the rest of the NHL.

You know the most active player Kakko has a similarity score to?

Chris Tierney.
- blacksheep1

Right now is the worst he’s ever looked. By the eye test. Not a good sign

I’d get on board with getting Duclair from SJ. Speed guy who shoots the puck. I know he’s been hurt but I doubt he’d cost much other than a draft pick. Cap wise he’s fairly cheap at 3 million bucks. Anything they do can’t be until the TDL most likely
- Slimtj100

Lindholm, Duclair, Tarasenko That's the wish list for me. Get one of them.


(Wouldn't hate Corey Perry.)

Right now is the worst he’s ever looked. By the eye test. Not a good sign
- Slimtj100

https://hockeystatcards.com/skater?id=8481554

And you are correct. He's not getting better. This now no longer on the rangers and it's not on Laviolette, he's put him in spot to thrive and he's reverting.

Through 281 games with the Sens, Zibanejad had 151 points. Through 250 games Kaapo Kakko has 100 points and is comparable to Chris Tierney. Zibanejad was 2x 20 goal scorer at the time of this trade and 50 point player. Kakko has accomplished all of that... ZERO times thus far.

We might have to just face facts that Kakko might be bad comparable to the rest of the NHL.
- blacksheep1

True, but then again you are comparing 2 players who had very different roles on their teams. Zib was playing top 6 minutes and PP time on the Sens before they traded him. KK has had very little, consistent top 6 minutes until this year and lets face it almost zero PP time.

Mika has always had slow starts, if he nets a few goals KK stats look a little better. Give him a little more than 11 games in the top 6 before you give up on him and trade away a cost controlled asset.

Right now is the worst he’s ever looked. By the eye test. Not a good sign
- Slimtj100

Not as much anger hear as it sounds like, but...

you guys are all fucked.
Like Brukie said, we are off to one of the best starts in team history and sit in 1st place in the division. And, people want to make major changes because our young winger isn't scoring 10 games in?????? WT actual F?
He is not the worst he's ever looked. He is statistically fine outside of not scoring. His linemates are not producing 5v5, either. He is a +1, with 4 takeaways and 3 giveaways.
These are stats belonging to someone that is not putting the puck in the net, not someone who can't figure out how to play in the NHL.
This fanbase must ALWAYS have something to female dog about. Leave the fucking kid alone to figure shit out. He hasn't cost us anything.

True, but then again you are comparing 2 players who had very different roles on their teams. Zib was playing top 6 minutes and PP time on the Sens before they traded him. KK has had very little, consistent top 6 minutes until this year and lets face it almost zero PP time.

Mika has always had slow starts, if he nets a few goals KK stats look a little better. Give him a little more than 11 games in the top 6 before you give up on him and trade away a cost controlled asset.
- Brukie

It's a crazy day when you and I are the voice of reason around here!!!!

Not as much anger hear as it sounds like, but...

you guys are all fucked.
Like Brukie said, we are off to one of the best starts in team history and sit in 1st place in the division. And, people want to make major changes because our young winger isn't scoring 10 games in?????? WT actual F?
He is not the worst he's ever looked. He is statistically fine outside of not scoring. His linemates are not producing 5v5, either. He is a +1, with 4 takeaways and 3 giveaways.
These are stats belonging to someone that is not putting the puck in the net, not someone who can't figure out how to play in the NHL.
This fanbase must ALWAYS have something to female dog about. Leave the fucking kid alone to figure shit out. He hasn't cost us anything.
- Tonybere

My first course of action is switching Kakko and wheeler. Not a major shakeup lol.

How long we supposed to wait for this “kid”? That’s the point too, he isn’t a kid anymore. He’s in his 5th season ffs

It's a crazy day when you and I are the voice of reason around here!!!!
- Tonybere

I dont understand how people want to acquire players regardless of the Cap hit. I also love the "Bring Othmann up and put him on the first line" Chant. Like that will work out well, kid hasnt played a shift in an NHL game but we will put him on the first line, yeah that doesnt look like its penned to be a disaster.

I dont understand how people want to acquire players regardless of the Cap hit. I also love the "Bring Othmann up and put him on the first line" Chant. Like that will work out well, kid hasnt played a shift in an NHL game but we will put him on the first line, yeah that doesnt look like its penned to be a disaster.
- Brukie

So a rookie has never ever played on a NHL first line? He’s fast. Kreider is fast. Zib is fast. You know who isn’t fast? Kakko

My first course of action is switching Kakko and wheeler. Not a major shakeup lol.

How long we supposed to wait for this “kid”? That’s the point too, he isn’t a kid anymore. He’s in his 5th season ffs
- Slimtj100

Wheeler looks like he is skating in mud!!

Give the "Kid" more than 11 games on the first line. I dont think he has looked that bad and he is very reliable defensively. Mika hasnt done anything but we haven't heard the demote Mika to the third line chants. How come???

Wheeler looks like he is skating in mud!!

Give the "Kid" more than 11 games on the first line. I dont think he has looked that bad and he is very reliable defensively. Mika hasnt done anything but we haven't heard the demote Mika to the third line chants. How come???
- Brukie

They need him to score goals, or at least set them up lol you guys are missing that point.

So a rookie has never ever played on a NHL first line? He’s fast. Kreider is fast. Zib is fast. You know who isn’t fast? Kakko
- Slimtj100

Once you have something in your head, its stuck there, there is no reasoning with you so Im not going to bother.

KK doesnt look slow to me. I havent heard anyone complain about his speed before.

They need him to score goals, or at least set them up lol you guys are missing that point.
- Slimtj100

Score goals or setting them up??? You just contradicted your self. Wheeler has one assist and zero goals in 11 games. He is doing neither.

5v5 Mika and CK20 have always been slow to start. Give them time.