The Flyes have an 8.9% Power play right, second worst in the league behind the Blues. Meanwhile the 1-10-1 San Jose Sharks are 16th in the league clicking at 18%. This is embarrassing. There is no way San Jose has more talent than the Flyers. Another black-eye against this coaching staff.

Yes, Morgan Frost is worth it. It's not just about Frost. It's about the commitment to playing the kids. He's going back on that. Briere needs to step in there and have a talk with Tortorella. Tortorella's actions and comments with Frost are embarrassing.
- MJL

He bully players out with his antics. Just the tip of the iceberg.

"March 2, 2014, Tortorella sparked controversy when he chose to start Eddie Läck in the 2014 Heritage Classic held in Vancouver over Roberto Luongo[16] Luongo was openly disappointed and was traded two days later."

And on top of this ... Sanheim plays 27 minutes in a normal game (crazy for a non OT game), and Couts, coming back from injury, plays 22 minutes, yet Brink only plays 10 minutes (the same as Hathaway), Zamula plays 12 minutes and Belpedio is in the lineup at all! How does this make any sense? Isn't the idea of a rebuilding team to play the kids in all situations so they can develop?
- jd250

They have to play Belpedio. Need to have 6 defenseman.

The Flyes have an 8.9% Power play right, second worst in the league behind the Blues. Meanwhile the 1-10-1 San Jose Sharks are 16th in the league clicking at 18%. This is embarrassing. There is no way San Jose has more talent than the Flyers. Another black-eye against this coaching staff.
- jd250

Are you turning against this coach?

Giroux on fire! 🔥

And on top of this ... Sanheim plays 27 minutes in a normal game (crazy for a non OT game), and Couts, coming back from injury, plays 22 minutes, yet Brink only plays 10 minutes (the same as Hathaway), Zamula plays 12 minutes and Belpedio is in the lineup at all! How does this make any sense? Isn't the idea of a rebuilding team to play the kids in all situations so they can develop?
- jd250

I don’t think much of the kids or the roster to really care about it. If they do this right, maybe there are two top 6 wingers on this team right now and one top 3 defensemen in 3 years when they start to compete. When the high end talent gets here and Torts pulls this stuff I will join the outrage but hard to get outraged over a roster full of depth players.

I don’t think much of the kids or the roster to really care about it. If they do this right, maybe there are two top 6 wingers on this team right now and one top 3 defensemen in 3 years when they start to compete. When the high end talent gets here and Torts pulls this stuff I will join the outrage but hard to get outraged over a roster full of depth players.
- psuhockey

Doesn't make sense. You'd only be outraged if they mishandle an elite talent? As if a so called "depth" player can't be mishandled and cause the player not to meet their potential. There are some teams that have elite talent but lack the "depth" players. They're all important.

Are you going to say this about every Flyers front office? You said this about the Scott/Fletcher front office also, and in hindsight with good reason. But don't you think it's a bit early to conclude this for the Hilferty/Jones/Briere front office?
- jd250

No not at all. Stupid is as stupid does. Unless players with real value that don’t fit the timeline are traded then it’s not a rebuild. Same as the past couple regimes.

Nothing to do with losing.

Just don’t lie to a fanbase about a rebuild when you are chicken poop to move Laughton, TK, or Hart. When you employ a moron HC when it comes to developing young players in 2023.

Better yet, don’t lie about a rebuild then bench talented kids to play known low ceiling veterans.

It’s all bullpoop - but thank god everyone other than Fletcher or Camillo got to keep a job right?

New era indeed.
- flyer_nutter

To be fair… and I 100% agree with you as I’ve been beating that drum for long long time but the vast majority of flyers fans are morons. That continue to FINANCIALLY support the team. Status quo. Why would you fix it if it’s not broken? In the eyes of ownership and bean counters it’s not broke. The game is to lie and deceive to maximize profits. And the stupid flyers fans eat it up. And buy (literally) into it.

Obviously not all flyers fan but the once screaming about what’s been going on are easily outweighed by the paying morons

To be fair… and I 100% agree with you as I’ve been beating that drum for long long time but the vast majority of flyers fans are morons. That continue to FINANCIALLY support the team. Status quo. Why would you fix it if it’s not broken? In the eyes of ownership and bean counters it’s not broke. The game is to lie and deceive to maximize profits. And the stupid flyers fans eat it up. And buy (literally) into it.

Obviously not all flyers fan but the once screaming about what’s been going on are easily outweighed by the paying morons
- SMS4016

I really don't agree with this assessment. I think the people that are morons have been the people in charge for the last 10 years. This organization has been mismanaged for a long time and it's gotten to the point that they are just chasing their tails. I think a large part of the fan base is very disgruntled. I know many folks that won't pay for this product, but are still hardcore fans. I still consider myself to be a hardcore fan and I stayed up until 12:30 last night (had to get up early) to watch that sh!tshow of a game (made it until the end of the second period). However, we haven't paid for a ticket in 11 years and I think most hardcore fans won't support this. I'm still a fan and watch games whenever I can unless it just gets too painful to watch. I just don't agree with the premise that these people are sitting there saying we are still getting 18,000 a night, so phuck it. They just don't know how to dig themselves out of the deep hole that they find themselves in. It's still early with this new regime, and I want to see how they handle the rest of this season and the next off season before I go bonkers and say that they are clueless. Torts shouldn't be the coach and it seems to be more and more apparent every day. Benching Frost again and starting the friggin 4th line in last night's game were his 2 latest blunders.

Nothing to do with losing.

Just don’t lie to a fanbase about a rebuild when you are chicken poop to move Laughton, TK, or Hart. When you employ a moron HC when it comes to developing young players in 2023.

Better yet, don’t lie about a rebuild then bench talented kids to play known low ceiling veterans.

It’s all bullpoop - but thank god everyone other than Fletcher or Camillo got to keep a job right?

New era indeed.
- flyer_nutter

I think they tried to move Laughton and I'd love to see them get out from underneath that Couturier contract. I mean, he is 30 and has 7 more years left on it. He is injury prone and I'd love to move on from that, but doubt there will be takers. I think Laughton will be moved. I notice everyone likes to scream about getting rid of players, but you can't give them away. If you are going to trade TK and Hart you damn well better get a good return. Right now is certainly not the time to trade either one unless a desperate Edmonton team throws a kings ransom at you for Hart. Although I don't know that the Oil have anything that the Flyers would want.

I really don't agree with this assessment. I think the people that are morons have been the people in charge for the last 10 years. This organization has been mismanaged for a long time and it's gotten to the point that they are just chasing their tails. I think a large part of the fan base is very disgruntled. I know many folks that won't pay for this product, but are still hardcore fans. I still consider myself to be a hardcore fan and I stayed up until 12:30 last night (had to get up early) to watch that sh!tshow of a game (made it until the end of the second period). However, we haven't paid for a ticket in 11 years and I think most hardcore fans won't support this. I'm still a fan and watch games whenever I can unless it just gets too painful to watch. I just don't agree with the premise that these people are sitting there saying we are still getting 18,000 a night, so phuck it. They just don't know how to dig themselves out of the deep hole that they find themselves in. It's still early with this new regime, and I want to see how they handle the rest of this season and the next off season before I go bonkers and say that they are clueless. Torts shouldn't be the coach and it seems to be more and more apparent every day. Benching Frost again and starting the friggin 4th line in last night's game were his 2 latest blunders.
- Phillywhiteout

Everything they do is geared not only toward money but to cater to the baggies that pay them the money. That’s the idiots that provide the gravy train. Die hard fans don’t want for example to deal with the orange monster sideshow as a main attraction at a game. Yet he’s still marketed left and right. There’s a difference between making profit and it being an objective with sports teams compared to being a not objective but core principle. They can’t get off their own way because it’s simply not a way to run a sports team.

We all see this. True diehards will watch yes etc but the morons are the ones buying seasons and merch and etc etc etc.

It’s not that they sit they are see 18k and say oh (frank) it it’s that they say no matter what happens let’s make sure we see 18k sitting there.

Blunders like frost are borderline criminal. Everyone sees this. Yet 18k come out and cheer when poop glhapoens againsdt their own best interest like goals or wins

I think they tried to move Laughton and I'd love to see them get out from underneath that Couturier contract. I mean, he is 30 and has 7 more years left on it. He is injury prone and I'd love to move on from that, but doubt there will be takers. I think Laughton will be moved. I notice everyone likes to scream about getting rid of players, but you can't give them away. If you are going to trade TK and Hart you damn well better get a good return. Right now is certainly not the time to trade either one unless a desperate Edmonton team throws a kings ransom at you for Hart. Although I don't know that the Oil have anything that the Flyers would want.
- Phillywhiteout

Picks. I want picks. 1st and 3rd and he’s all yours

Are you turning against this coach?

- MJL

I am being fair, something I told you I would do. I like a lot of what Torts has done here, but there are also things that I don't like. 1. I didn't like him rushing Couts back into the lineup and then when it's clear the kid is still hampered plays him 22 minutes anyway, 2. I am tired of this Frost drama, the kid signed a two year deal and needs to be in the lineup whether Torts likes him or not. This has got to be a clear disconnect between the coach and GM and that is the LAST thing this organization needs right now, and 3. I am sick of this embarrassing powerplay. The Flyers have enough talent to have a middle of the pack powerplay, they just look lost out there and that 100% on the coaching. I've given Rocky Thompson enough time with this, he is not being an effective coach and its time for Torts to do something about it.

Picks. I want picks. 1st and 3rd and he’s all yours
- SMS4016

So you’d take a 2026 1st rounder lottery protected (likely to be a low first round for him?). I’d want more. A first and a top prospect either in the nhl or close. Otherwise, it’s not worth it. As the team grows, you’re going to need a tender or it’s all for nothing. I also fear that we’ll regret having him develop here only to see him flourish elsewhere while we search in vain for a tender when the team is ready. I think you undervalue the importance of goaltending. Oilers leafs and others are being held from contention largely because of this. If it was easy to find a goalie when your window is open, then they’d all have done it. It isn’t and not everyone can build a d corps like Vegas has to mitigate any shortcomings in net.

I see the broader fanbase has begun to catch on... Torts is a self-righteous moron, always has been, always will be.

(Does nice work off the ice with doggos tho)

Neck guard Giroux strikes
- ClaudeFather

he's still plugging away.

I think they tried to move Laughton and I'd love to see them get out from underneath that Couturier contract. I mean, he is 30 and has 7 more years left on it. He is injury prone and I'd love to move on from that, but doubt there will be takers. I think Laughton will be moved. I notice everyone likes to scream about getting rid of players, but you can't give them away. If you are going to trade TK and Hart you damn well better get a good return. Right now is certainly not the time to trade either one unless a desperate Edmonton team throws a kings ransom at you for Hart. Although I don't know that the Oil have anything that the Flyers would want.
- Phillywhiteout

i think the report was they denied an offer for him. but it was just reports, not sure if anything was ever confirmed

Picks. I want picks. 1st and 3rd and he’s all yours
- SMS4016

absolutely. if the previous report was true, that someone offered a 1st and 2nd for him, they should've moved then. this rebuild will take a while.

To be fair… and I 100% agree with you as I’ve been beating that drum for long long time but the vast majority of flyers fans are morons. That continue to FINANCIALLY support the team. Status quo. Why would you fix it if it’s not broken? In the eyes of ownership and bean counters it’s not broke. The game is to lie and deceive to maximize profits. And the stupid flyers fans eat it up. And buy (literally) into it.

Obviously not all flyers fan but the once screaming about what’s been going on are easily outweighed by the paying morons
- SMS4016

That is absurd. As if a Father who wants to take his Son to a Flyers is a moron for doing so. Some people are just in it for the enjoyment of going to a game. They're not morons for doing so. Calling them morons is moronic.

I am being fair, something I told you I would do. I like a lot of what Torts has done here, but there are also things that I don't like. 1. I didn't like him rushing Couts back into the lineup and then when it's clear the kid is still hampered plays him 22 minutes anyway, 2. I am tired of this Frost drama, the kid signed a two year deal and needs to be in the lineup whether Torts likes him or not. This has got to be a clear disconnect between the coach and GM and that is the LAST thing this organization needs right now, and 3. I am sick of this embarrassing powerplay. The Flyers have enough talent to have a middle of the pack powerplay, they just look lost out there and that 100% on the coaching. I've given Rocky Thompson enough time with this, he is not being an effective coach and its time for Torts to do something about it.
- jd250

Nah, it's not about being fair. You see more of the tide turning against this coach so you jump on the back of the bus. You only have one leg in though. If the Flyers win a few games, you'll be right back on the "Torts" bus. Time will tell.

He bully players out with his antics. Just the tip of the iceberg.

"March 2, 2014, Tortorella sparked controversy when he chose to start Eddie Läck in the 2014 Heritage Classic held in Vancouver over Roberto Luongo
- THE EVIL WITHIN[16] Luongo was openly disappointed and was traded two days later."

Yes, Torts has been a 🫏 for a very long time.

I see the broader fanbase has begun to catch on... Torts is a self-righteous moron, always has been, always will be.

(Does nice work off the ice with doggos tho)
- Tomahawk

I wish he'd do that full time.

No not at all. Stupid is as stupid does. Unless players with real value that don’t fit the timeline are traded then it’s not a rebuild. Same as the past couple regimes.
- SMS4016

The Flyers are not trying to blow this up and to a rebuild from the studs. That's not going to happen here. And to be fair, many teams have tried this approach and failed, Edmonton for example. The Flyers are taking more of the Bruins approach, trying to rebuild while putting a competitive product on the ice, and trading off veteran pieces as younger players are ready to take their place. Right now the Flyers do not have many younger players ready to supplant veteran players, at least in their eyes. I think the Flyers should have traded Laughton this past offseason given he had a career year last year and Couts and Cam were coming back, but alas they didn't and now players are blocked from being in the lineup, like Frost. It's a real problem right now.

we should get Kerr and LeClair to run the PP?
- Bayareaflyer

Absolutely!