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Forums :: Blog World :: Mike Augello: The Battle Of Ontario – Pt. I; Leafs vs. Sens
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Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 04.11.2018

Nov 8 @ 9:00 PM ET
I'm not picking any fights, I'm merely stating that surface level AHL statistics are not very relevant in assessing goaltender quality.

If you want to carry - or defend - a narrative that he is or isn't NHL-quality based on minor league statistics, knock yourself out.

- mjones242



Man the organization doesn’t even k it of he’s a quality Pro goalie yet. He just hasn’t played enough. I think he is all day a Pro goalie but in all seriousness you can’t say that yet at 32 games high in one season.

I personally think he will be and NHL backup when all said and done. Best case at an NHL level is a 1b in a 1a/1b situation.
Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 04.11.2018

Nov 8 @ 9:01 PM ET
Fortunately, there are scouts/mgmt who assess goalies on more than minor leagues stats and/or how cool their name sounds.
- mjones242



Agreed. How they play in a full season of Pro hockey - so they will wait until Woll does.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Nov 8 @ 9:01 PM ET
Fortunately, there are scouts/mgmt who assess goalies on more than minor leagues stats and/or how cool their name sounds.
- mjones242

Leafs should use those sometime eh
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Nov 8 @ 9:01 PM ET
I'm not picking any fights, I'm merely stating that surface level AHL statistics are not very relevant in assessing goaltender quality.

If you want to carry - or defend - a narrative that he is or isn't NHL-quality based on minor league statistics, knock yourself out.

- mjones242



My comment was more on the overarching part of the discussion. Do I think Woll is an AHL calibre goalie? I think he's better than that. Do I think he's established himself in the NHL? Almost there. Do I think he doesn't look as good tonight? Yes.

That simple.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Nov 8 @ 9:02 PM ET


This is a very pro Ottawa broadcast.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Nov 8 @ 9:03 PM ET
I think I sort of recall that place. Been years since was out there
- Roadrunner75

It’s in a quonset hut on the side of a road in the middle of nowhere.

If you’ve been, you remember it.

But yeah, I don’t think I’ve eaten there in over a decade.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Nov 8 @ 9:03 PM ET
Man the organization doesn’t even k it of he’s a quality Pro goalie yet. He just hasn’t played enough. I think he is all day a Pro goalie but in all seriousness you can’t say that yet at 32 games high in one season.

I personally think he will be and NHL backup when all said and done. Best case at an NHL level is a 1b in a 1a/1b situation.

- Big23Questions

The Leafs aren't exactly making things easy for their goalies. Klinger is being relied on too much and our 4th line is an absolute disaster.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Nov 8 @ 9:04 PM ET
My comment was more on the overarching part of the discussion. Do I think Woll is an AHL calibre goalie? I think he's better than that. Do I think he's established himself in the NHL? Almost there. Do I think he doesn't look as good tonight? Yes.

That simple.

- Monkeypunk

I don't think anyone is arguing that he doesn't look good tonight?
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Nov 8 @ 9:04 PM ET
Leafs should use those sometime eh
- 21peter

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Nov 8 @ 9:10 PM ET
Whoot - there it is!
Roadrunner75
Seattle Kraken
Location: ON
Joined: 03.01.2013

Nov 8 @ 9:11 PM ET
Makin up for the earlier gaffe. Good hard working shift and Robertson finishes it off beautifully.
Drapz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 07.10.2007

Nov 8 @ 9:11 PM ET
Well worked goal. All shifts playing smart.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Nov 8 @ 9:11 PM ET
self-portrait??
- 21peter

just got back in to see Robertson sweet goal!!!!!!!!




BOO Yeah !!!!!!
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 8 @ 9:11 PM ET
How about instead of picking an unnecessary fight - Woll isn't looking as comfortable tonight. His glove has been a bit slow, it's been more ineffective at trapping the puck, his rebounds have been ok, but not as controlled as we've seen them and his net positioning / poise is a lot busier than it is when it's on top of his game.

For all intents and purposes he is an AHL goalie until he's established himself as an NHL goalie. He's been excellent more often than not in his short NHL career - but so far this year he has a 40% quality start percentage. His two elite games that have buoyed his stats were relief games against Tampa after Sammy crapped the bed.

So I want this kid to be great - but so far he has work to do on his consistency and especially as a starter - where I do have higher expectations.

- Monkeypunk


No sorry.

If Woll had to go through waivers today he’d be claimed 100%.

NHL goalie.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Nov 8 @ 9:11 PM ET
well deserved
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Nov 8 @ 9:11 PM ET
Robertson from Domi!! Sweet!!
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 8 @ 9:13 PM ET
Beauty goal, it didnt even hit the ice.
Nice battle by domi
Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 04.11.2018

Nov 8 @ 9:13 PM ET
The Leafs aren't exactly making things easy for their goalies. Klinger is being relied on too much and our 4th line is an absolute disaster.
- mjones242




On that I completely agree man. Awful D.
Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 04.11.2018

Nov 8 @ 9:15 PM ET
No sorry.

If Woll had to go through waivers today he’d be claimed 100%.

NHL goalie.

- Santo_44





No sorry.

Being claimed off waivers doesn't mean you automatically are an NHL goalie. Means you have the potential to be one or they like you for their AHL team (or potential for AHL). It doesn’t mean you are definitely having an NHL career.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Nov 8 @ 9:16 PM ET
Kitty-bar-the-door, go to OT.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Nov 8 @ 9:16 PM ET
Beauty goal, it didnt even hit the ice.
Nice battle by domi

- Fakepartofme

And Jarnkrok to get the puck to Domi
Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 04.11.2018

Nov 8 @ 9:18 PM ET
Veteran play by Giroux there. Go to a knee squeeze stick in arm. Always gets me how refs don’t catch on to those plays. Give 2 cause stick was there interfering but give the 2 for embellishment
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Nov 8 @ 9:18 PM ET
No sorry.

If Woll had to go through waivers today he’d be claimed 100%.

NHL goalie.

- Santo_44


Easier way to view this: Let's say every goalie made $5m flat, regardless.

Would Woll be claimed on waivers? I think probably - but it would be dicey to determine where in the list of 64 goalies he'd slot in . . .

This type of conversation - and I would love it if you could have one without moving the goalposts - works best if you figure what an adequate level of talent and consistency to be an NHL goalie is.

The point is that he has a lot of potential but he is still working on consistency.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 8 @ 9:19 PM ET
Remember when people were hating on Jarnkrok?
Good player to have
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 8 @ 9:20 PM ET
Captain marvel was a good movie


The marvels looks like crap.

Too bad
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