It's a pattern with Torts. He picks a player, denigrates his game, refuses to play him and then the Flyers are forced to pay to get rid of him. Hayes, TDA, and now probably Frost. I still can't believe that the Flyers went with 5 defenseman rather than put TDA in the lineup at the end of last year. That's crazy.

Torts was on board with the TDA signing but somehow his "eye and gut test" missed TDA's deficiencies in the defensive zone.
- Flyers_01

I am glad Hayes and TDA are not Flyers. I do not care for either of them as a player.

Seeing Addison traded and the return certainly caused me to ask the same question. Why aren’t the Flyers buying low on young players with great potential upside?
- mikeyo27

No idea. This is the same team that could've had Tolvanen for free last year. Although, he'd probably be scratched right now. And Addison would probably be a healthy scratch as well. I wonder if Briere wants to buy low on these types of guys but then realizes they'd be benched if they miss one defensive assignment or turn the puck over.

I fully expect Zamula to sit for extended games if and when Staal and Risto are both healthy. It would be nice to feel that the GM of this team is actually the one in charge. But we all predicted this to be the case when the triumvirate schtick started playing out last summer.

I agree, Frosty is Tort's new whipping boy. Its (frank)ed up how he is being handled. The kid does have some upside, he is never going to be a 30 goal scorer, but he has good hands and has played more disciplined late last year and pre season this year, i get there is only enough room on roster, but to have him sit as a black ace almost every night is crazy, rotate the healthies.


That being said, this team's future is bright, i just hope tort's message doesnt wear thin by the time this team is ready to compete. But i think we all know the answer to that.

as for the loss in SJ, i mean seriously that game was awful, i mean this flyers team plays off emotion because we lack the talent to take us there, and when you play vs a team that really has nothing to lose and wont get into the after whistle poop, in front of 150 people, its hard to get up for those or keep your drive. the after whistle stuff TK tried to start at end of game was way too late, should have started that stuff early on in 1st.
- jjackels55

Honestly, with what is obviously going on in the front office, what is so bright about this team's future?

Realize it now. With Jones and Tortorella in charge, Flyers fans are screwed. We are in for another round of the same period we went through with Fletcher and Scott.

Philly could be the new Buffalo, missing the playoffs for a whole decade. After this season, the streak will already be up to four years in a row.

I agree, Frosty is Tort's new whipping boy. Its (frank)ed up how he is being handled. The kid does have some upside, he is never going to be a 30 goal scorer, but he has good hands and has played more disciplined late last year and pre season this year, i get there is only enough room on roster, but to have him sit as a black ace almost every night is crazy, rotate the healthies.


That being said, this team's future is bright, i just hope tort's message doesnt wear thin by the time this team is ready to compete. But i think we all know the answer to that.

as for the loss in SJ, i mean seriously that game was awful, i mean this flyers team plays off emotion because we lack the talent to take us there, and when you play vs a team that really has nothing to lose and wont get into the after whistle poop, in front of 150 people, its hard to get up for those or keep your drive. the after whistle stuff TK tried to start at end of game was way too late, should have started that stuff early on in 1st.
- jjackels55

The future is being dimmed by the coach who's currently signed for two more years after this one. And outside of Gauthier and Michkov, it's not like this prospect pool is chock full of future potential stars.

been a fan and have watched almost all games for 40 plus years, I am ashamed but I wanted the Flyers to lose vs the Sharks, I smiled when they scored early, all because Torts is acting like a child who had his toy stolen. Funny thing, I like Torts as a coach, when he is being fair I am ok with him, but blatant favoritism I have no time for, nor should the fanbase. I could stomach Hayes, he is a magnet to some extent with how he appears lazy but follow that up with Frost, just picking on a kid because you can, it is now more than an isolated incident with a polarizing player, it is a trend, that will effect players wanting to play in Philly, for Torts, for Jones and for Briere. That leaves us 3 years out, praying we drafted well enough, got some luck and when they are ready to contend, ownership hears the fanbase and runs the leadership group out of town. I hold hope Torts can change course, but that is all it is, hope.

Hey Bill, can you clarify that it is indeed Jones and Torts against Briere regarding Frost?

I am glad Hayes and TDA are not Flyers. I do not care for either of them as a player.
- mickel25

That's understandable. TDA never should've been signed by the Flyers which was known by anyone who looked at his analytics (which Torts and Fletcher refused to do and Torts still ignores I believe) but at that point they were on the team and there were better ways of handling the players, especially if the goal was to find someone to trade for them.

Torts went scorched earth on both and let Briere deal with the fallout.

Hey Bill, can you clarify that it is indeed Jones and Torts against Briere regarding Frost?
- StepfordSam

Clarification isn't needed. He pretty much said it.

Who would you take out of this lineup though? Everybody is really trying hard and producing except for Frost.
- mickel25

Slowly sinking to the bottom, maybe they're worse than I thought they were going to be. But that's fine. When is the right time to start trading some veteran players for picks and or youth?
- Dave21Brown

LAST YEAR!!!!!!

Clarification isn't needed. He pretty much said it.
- MJL

True

What is laughable is the Flyers feeble attempt to hoodwink an already jaded fan base into buying into this “rebuild”.

Dan Hilferty, John Tortorella, Keith Jones as POHO. Come on guys at least next time don’t be so obvious.

Reading through all the Flyers sites and social media that arent in HERE, I think the situation with Frost has become untenable. The way it seems to me is that the vast majority of the fanbase is with Torts. They think Frost stinks and many say he isnt even an NHL player. There has been a campaign that started ripping Bill Meltzer constantly for "defending" Frost.

Frost has no rope, no leeway. I have no idea why the Flyers decided to sign him at all, other than to use him as a trade piece, which by the way has been severely devalued by Torts and the front office. (where have we heard that before?)

This is personal with Torts, just like it was with Hartnell, Luongo, and many other players who arents "Torts" guys.

Briere really has no recourse since it is obviously 2 against 1 in the triumphirate.

Frost needs to go, and soon, he has become a distraction at this point. And the kind of distraction that splits a locker room. Because if they dont think the players see what is happening, they are blind.

It's an absolute embarrassment.

You really don't like to see the newly anointed President of the Flyers siding with a coach with an expiration date from about 6-7 years ago. The best thing Keith Jones ever did was get a gig talking color for hockey broadcasts. He does not come across as eloquent, organized, or very intelligent. He's a warm, kind, albeit aloof hockey guy, with inside jokes and locker room hijinks. He was a middling player from the same town as The Great One that was awarded playing time with some of the leagues HOF players in the 90s.

Frost is the definition of what the NHL is in 2023. Creativity/vision, speed, hands, and skating ability. It's funny when posters on here say things like "He'll never score 30 goals, or he' could be a 75 point player". We'll never know in Flyersland, because the kid isn't even getting into games. Thank goodness Tyson Foerster is playing a regular shift, and Bobby Brink playing a tick over 10 minutes TOI. I'm not sure if this is a backhanded jab at the recently put-out-to-pasture Bobby Clarke because as I remember it Clarke had ties/friendship with Frost's father from the Leafs.

Makes me want to root for Frost to make it on another team, become a top 6 skater, contributing regularly and scoring consistently.

If we acquired Connor McDavid, I truly believe that the Flyers would turn him into a very responsible 200-foot player capable of playing in a top 9 role for a good 45 to 55 points a year.

If not, he's sitting. So, this is a good thing for Frost. Once he learns his lesson and is a good boy, he can put up his 25-30 points.

#NewEraofBS

Reading through all the Flyers sites and social media that arent in HERE, I think the situation with Frost has become untenable. The way it seems to me is that the vast majority of the fanbase is with Torts. They think Frost stinks and many say he isnt even an NHL player. There has been a campaign that started ripping Bill Meltzer constantly for "defending" Frost.

Frost has no rope, no leeway. I have no idea why the Flyers decided to sign him at all, other than to use him as a trade piece, which by the way has been severely devalued by Torts and the front office. (where have we heard that before?)

This is personal with Torts, just like it was with Hartnell, Luongo, and many other players who arents "Torts" guys.

Briere really has no recourse since it is obviously 2 against 1 in the triumphirate.

Frost needs to go, and soon, he has become a distraction at this point. And the kind of distraction that splits a locker room. Because if they dont think the players see what is happening, they are blind.
- MBFlyerfan

I'd like to know how a fan views Frost as not an NHL player with the production he had last season. It's hysterical.

Reading through all the Flyers sites and social media that arent in HERE, I think the situation with Frost has become untenable. The way it seems to me is that the vast majority of the fanbase is with Torts. They think Frost stinks and many say he isnt even an NHL player. There has been a campaign that started ripping Bill Meltzer constantly for "defending" Frost.

Frost has no rope, no leeway. I have no idea why the Flyers decided to sign him at all, other than to use him as a trade piece, which by the way has been severely devalued by Torts and the front office. (where have we heard that before?)

This is personal with Torts, just like it was with Hartnell, Luongo, and many other players who arents "Torts" guys.

Briere really has no recourse since it is obviously 2 against 1 in the triumphirate.

Frost needs to go, and soon, he has become a distraction at this point. And the kind of distraction that splits a locker room. Because if they dont think the players see what is happening, they are blind.
- MBFlyerfan

The Jones hire was a joke, you don’t sign up the class clown to make any real decisions. And I really like Danny but this is clearly not his team.

It’s becoming clear that the team is just as dysfunctional and rudderless as it was this time last year.

Frost's Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds statistics for context compared with other borderline NHL'ers:

Joe Thorton at 17 y/o 122 pts.
Steve Sullivan at 19 y/o 113 pts.
Morgan Frost at 18 y/o 112 pts.
Morgan Frost at 19 y/o 109 pts.
Rick Tocchet at 19 y/o 108 pts.

Mr. Miyagi was right about walking and karate and the same could be about a hockey team.
Rebuild ‘Yes’ rebuild ‘no’: you rebuild ‘guess so’ squish like grape

I'd like to know how a fan views Frost as not an NHL player with the production he had last season. It's hysterical.
- MJL

the common theme I read from that section of the fanbase is he only performs well against bad teams.

I'd like to know how a fan views Frost as not an NHL player with the production he had last season. It's hysterical.
- MJL

Go to the Flyers subreddit for a real laugh riot. The Cult of Tortorella has a big influence outside of Hockeybuzz.

The Jones hire was a joke, you don’t sign up the class clown to make any real decisions. And I really like Danny but this is clearly not his team.
- ClaudeFather

With the way the Flyers front office wanted to organize the hockey power structure, the class clown was the only guy left open to taking the job.

the common theme I read from that section of the fanbase is he only performs well against bad teams.

- hockeylover

All they have to do is look at his game logs to know that is not true.