With the incompetence of this front office obviously run by Jones and Tortorella in cahoots. Is there such a thing as the right time?
- MJL

But is Danny Briere completely guilt-free here?

He signed Morgan Frost to the same term, but less money that Noah Cates. Does that really say "we have confidence you're part of our future plans?"

I don't necessarily believe what Morgan Frost can bring to the table matches the talent (or lack thereof) currently on the Flyers roster, nor does it match the direction the head coach is currently taking the team. If Frost is smart, he goes full Denis Lemieux and screams "trade me right f*cking now." If the Flyers only get pennies on the dollar in return, that's on them for seeming to not understand hard work without talent will only take you so far.

With the way the Flyers front office wanted to organize the hockey power structure, the class clown was the only guy left open to taking the job.
- StepfordSam

Correct. No serious outside candidate would take the job under those conditions. It's how we got stuck with Jones.

But is Danny Briere completely guilt-free here?

He signed Morgan Frost to the same term, but less money that Noah Cates. Does that really say "we have confidence you're part of our future plans?"

I don't necessarily believe what Morgan Frost can bring to the table matches the talent (or lack thereof) currently on the Flyers roster, nor does it match the direction the head coach is currently taking the team. If Frost is smart, he goes full Denis Lemieux and screams "trade me right f*cking now." If the Flyers only get pennies on the dollar in return, that's on them for seeming to not understand hard work without talent will only take you so far.
- BaronVonShiznit

Noah Cates got a slightly higher AAV simply because he had arbitration rights and Frost didn't. That's about the NHL salary structure and not about who they had more confidence in.

What does "what Morgan Frost can bring to the table matches the talent (or lack thereof) currently on the Flyers roster mean?

the common theme I read from that section of the fanbase is he only performs well against bad teams.

- hockeylover

Perhaps the dumbest argument there is. What player in the history of the sport didn’t do better against weaker opponents?

But is Danny Briere completely guilt-free here?

He signed Morgan Frost to the same term, but less money that Noah Cates. Does that really say "we have confidence you're part of our future plans?"

I don't necessarily believe what Morgan Frost can bring to the table matches the talent (or lack thereof) currently on the Flyers roster, nor does it match the direction the head coach is currently taking the team. If Frost is smart, he goes full Denis Lemieux and screams "trade me right f*cking now." If the Flyers only get pennies on the dollar in return, that's on them for seeming to not understand hard work without talent will only take you so far.
- BaronVonShiznit

No… anyone with decision making ability are dropping the ball. Again they started the year talking about the organizations poor record in development…. This was literally 6 (frank)ing weeks ago.

Noah Cates got a slightly higher AAV simply because he had arbitration rights and Frost didn't. That's about the NHL salary structure and not about who they had more confidence in.

What does "what Morgan Frost can bring to the table matches the talent (or lack thereof) currently on the Flyers roster mean?
- MJL

I see Morgan Frost as more of a set-up guy... someone who's going to produce by feeding pucks to a player or players who can consistently put the puck in the back of the net. Right now, that does not match up with the coach, and I don't necessarily think the Flyers will see a consistent finisher (or finishers) on the roster for a few more years.

EDIT And thanks for the arbitration rights comment... was not aware of that.

Perhaps the dumbest argument there is. What player in the history of the sport didn’t do better against weaker opponents?
- landros 2

Exactly! and all the more reason to put him in versus the Sharks. But hey at least they started that game with their Phd line.

Anyone else think it's weird that the Flyers only have one Alternate captain...

https://www.eliteprospect...-flyers/captaincy-history

Last season they had four alternates (Hayes, Laughton, Provorov, Couturier), and in the decade prior it was always Giroux as captain with two or three alternates. One of which was Daniel Briere in 12-13.

Why did Torts strip the "A" off Couturier's jersey?

I'd like to know how a fan views Frost as not an NHL player with the production he had last season. It's hysterical.
- MJL

No kidding. The "fans" ripping Meltzer for questioning the Frost mismanagement are likely huge Deslaurier and Risto fans.

I don't think I can say it any better than what was said above. The rebuild is a farce. Frost has done nothing but bust his ass for this franchise to try and make a career in the NHL for himself. It's not as though he is a fringe player. If they're not going to play the kid and don't view him as part of their future. They need to do the right thing and trade him. Even if they don't get the return they want. That is the position they have put themselves in. It's not as if they could keep playing him to try and maximize return. That apparently is not an option and they're too dumb to think of doing that. What a disgrace.
- MJL

No doubt about it. They just can't help themselves.

Anyone else think it's weird that the Flyers only have one Alternate captain...

https://www.eliteprospect...-flyers/captaincy-history

Last season they had four alternates (Hayes, Laughton, Provorov, Couturier), and in the decade prior it was always Giroux as captain with two or three alternates. One of which was Daniel Briere in 12-13.

Why did Torts strip the "A" off Couturier's jersey?
- Feanor

Cap Friendly has Coots listed as an "A" still

I see Morgan Frost as more of a set-up guy... someone who's going to produce by feeding pucks to a player or players who can consistently put the puck in the back of the net. Right now, that does not match up with the coach, and I don't necessarily think the Flyers will see a consistent finisher (or finishers) on the roster for a few more years.

EDIT And thanks for the arbitration rights comment... was not aware of that.
- BaronVonShiznit

I understand now and I agree with you. Maybe the Flyers goal scorers would finish better with better playmaking in the lineup.

No kidding. The "fans" ripping Meltzer for questioning the Frost mismanagement are likely huge Deslaurier and Risto fans.
- dubc55

I was going to post that exact thought. Maybe if Frost would drop them or run around crashing into people. He would get more love.

No kidding. The "fans" ripping Meltzer for questioning the Frost mismanagement are likely huge Deslaurier and Risto fans.
- dubc55

I haven’t seen a single post stating that frost should be sitting the way he is. Everyone her has said the kid should be playing.

Reading through all the Flyers sites and social media that arent in HERE, I think the situation with Frost has become untenable. The way it seems to me is that the vast majority of the fanbase is with Torts. They think Frost stinks and many say he isnt even an NHL player. There has been a campaign that started ripping Bill Meltzer constantly for "defending" Frost.

Frost has no rope, no leeway. I have no idea why the Flyers decided to sign him at all, other than to use him as a trade piece, which by the way has been severely devalued by Torts and the front office. (where have we heard that before?)

This is personal with Torts, just like it was with Hartnell, Luongo, and many other players who arents "Torts" guys.

Briere really has no recourse since it is obviously 2 against 1 in the triumphirate.

Frost needs to go, and soon, he has become a distraction at this point. And the kind of distraction that splits a locker room. Because if they dont think the players see what is happening, they are blind.
- MBFlyerfan

That's what puzzles me the most. They had to have had, or I would think, they talked to Torts about signing him?

Again much like with Fletcher, there seems to be a huge disconnect between coach and GM.

No idea. This is the same team that could've had Tolvanen for free last year. Although, he'd probably be scratched right now. And Addison would probably be a healthy scratch as well. I wonder if Briere wants to buy low on these types of guys but then realizes they'd be benched if they miss one defensive assignment or turn the puck over.

I fully expect Zamula to sit for extended games if and when Staal and Risto are both healthy. It would be nice to feel that the GM of this team is actually the one in charge. But we all predicted this to be the case when the triumvirate schtick started playing out last summer.
- TobyFlenderson

If there were no injuries he would be in the pressbox each and every night - This organizations coach and front office just gaslights its fan base

No kidding. The "fans" ripping Meltzer for questioning the Frost mismanagement are likely huge Deslaurier and Risto fans.
- dubc55

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I was going to post that exact thought. Maybe if Frost would drop them or run around crashing into people. He would get more love.
- MJL

He should tell torts if he gets back in the lineup he will drop the gloves on his first shift to show that he understands Flyer hockey

He should tell torts if he gets back in the lineup he will drop the gloves on his first shift to show that he understands Flyer hockey
- corduroy

I think the reality is that "Flyer" hockey permeates both the fan base and the organization like a disease. So many have no clue how utterly terrible having Tortorella as the coach is for the future of this team.

That's what puzzles me the most. They had to have had, or I would think, they talked to Torts about signing him?

Again much like with Fletcher, there seems to be a huge disconnect between coach and GM.
- Pelle31Forever

Based on what Bill stated. The coach apparently doesn't need to have a connection with the GM. He has Jones in his pocket. It's playing out exactly like I thought it would with Tortorella.

If there were no injuries he would be in the pressbox each and every night - This organizations coach and front office just gaslights its fan base
- corduroy

No doubt about it

the common theme I read from that section of the fanbase is he only performs well against bad teams.

- hockeylover

Snow the Goalie Russ brought that up as well. It took Bundy to crush him by pointing out Tippett's stats against non playoff teams vs playoff teams.

Where did the strong improvement and how it's different this year that I've been hearing about go?
- MJL

can they be improved and play better though still lose? or is that not possible?

wonder if Danny boy would resign at some point before the year is over.....

I think my position on Frost has been made crystal clear. I vehemently disagree with the Flyers about their handling of him. Long-term, I think it's clear that the coach and the POHO do not value the player. Such is how it goes sometimes in hockey. Not my decision to make.
- Bill Meltzer

So Bill, is this the first example of real dissent between Briere (who I presume signed Frost to the two year extension) and Torts/Jones? I agree with you about Frost even though I am not a fan of the player, he was signed and should be playing and given a chance to show what he can and at the very least create a market for himself.