Your ignorant if you think the NFL is a cash cow just because of fantasy football and sports betting. It's a bad opinion that it is a bad product. The facts say otherwise. Stating that many folks share it is a fallacy.
- MJL

Of course, if I use a quote the comment will be at variance.

The NFL and all other football leagues have an innate advantage in that they never play more than two games in a week's time. It allows promotions and media coverage to fully saturate the fanbase. You can plan on meeting fellow fans ONCE a week to do football watching or attending. If you have season tickets, you only have to inconvenience yourself every other week to take part in the rituals. Nine home games maybe, compared to 41.
17 total games as opposed to 82 with a by-week to lessen the strain on your ovoid attentions.
Four 1/2 months compared to six.
Football is packaged better for the fans to be interested but not dominated by a season.
Unless, you know, SUPERBOWL
Even that is ONE AND DONE.
Once again, the packaging fits the fans. Efficient and without muss, unless you want the fuss, and then there is plenty to go around.

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You're just giving more ammo against yourself. Even after it has been explained to you, you still don't get it. So looking at those points, lets do some simple math. With McAvoy, 52 points in 67 games is .77 points per game. With Lindholm, 53 points 80 games is .66 points per game.

You have your eyes closed permanently. Explain to me, how any of that shows that McAvoy is not an elite defenseman in the NHL? Lindholm had an outstanding season last year. No doubt. How does that change that McAvoy is universally considered a top 10 NHL defensman, including two top 5 finishes in Norris trophy voting?

Now for some resource material for you to study.

https://www.thehockeyfana...ts/top-20-nhl-defenseman/

https://www.nhl.com/news/...p-20-defensemen-345580664

https://www.cbssports.com...rs-adam-fox-lead-the-way/

https://bleacherreport.co...-season-top-10-defensemen

https://www.sportingnews..../ddp3qnwutfkby2dxqlecie8j
- MJL

What you don't understand is that most of the writers of these articles don't spend time watching the games. They are looking at stats and maybe making a call to local beat writer they know or someone on the team. But just rewatch last year's playoff series with Florida, that will tell you everything you need to know about McAvoy. Yes he can put up numbers and lay a big cheap shot on a player that is not looking, but McAvoy, like Lindholm, is a product of the Bruins goaltending and system. I bet you Sanheim would put up 50 points and be a +30 playing for the Bruins also, but that wouldn't make him elite.

I guess I have explain to you what is meant by having a future with the team. That means that he is a player that would be considered part of the rebuild moving forward. Part of the team's long term vision. Walker is not that player. Sanheim belongs playing on the PP over Walker.
- MJL

why would you be against a 3 year ext for Walker? Who is replacing him? What is your plan?

You have always said you need some vets for stability no?

Of course, if I use a quote the comment will be at variance.

The NFL and all other football leagues have an innate advantage in that they never play more than two games in a week's time. It allows promotions and media coverage to fully saturate the fanbase. You can plan on meeting fellow fans ONCE a week to do football watching or attending. If you have season tickets, you only have to inconvenience yourself every other week to take part in the rituals. Nine home games maybe, compared to 41.
17 total games as opposed to 82 with a by-week to lessen the strain on your ovoid attentions.
Four 1/2 months compared to six.
Football is packaged better for the fans to be interested but not dominated by a season.
Unless, you know, SUPERBOWL
Even that is ONE AND DONE.
Once again, the packaging fits the fans. Efficient and without muss, unless you want the fuss, and then there is plenty to go around.

- Pompous

also gambling has and always will be a huge part of why the nfl is popular. IMO peeps underestimate that aspect.

I guess I have explain to you what is meant by having a future with the team. That means that he is a player that would be considered part of the rebuild moving forward. Part of the team's long term vision. Walker is not that player. Sanheim belongs playing on the PP over Walker.
- MJL

Depends on the timing of the rebuild. If its 5+ years as you have been posting than yes, Walker would not make sense. But if you believe the Flyers are a lot closer than people think, like I do, then Walker may be a nice veteran, bottom pairing RHS defenseman that could really help a younger team.

Depends on the timing of the rebuild. If its 5+ years as you have been posting than yes, Walker would not make sense. But if you believe the Flyers are a lot closer than people think, like I do, then Walker may be a nice veteran, bottom pairing RHS defenseman that could really help a younger team.
- jd250

how much you paying walker on a 3 year deal?

What you don't understand is that most of the writers of these articles don't spend time watching the games. They are looking at stats and maybe making a call to local beat writer they know or someone on the team. But just rewatch last year's playoff series with Florida, that will tell you everything you need to know about McAvoy. Yes he can put up numbers and lay a big cheap shot on a player that is not looking, but McAvoy, like Lindholm, is a product of the Bruins goaltending and system. I bet you Sanheim would put up 50 points and be a +30 playing for the Bruins also, but that wouldn't make him elite.
- jd250

You seriously need to stop. You are embarrassing yourself at a ridiculously high level. Were the voters for end of season awards also not watching the games when they voted him 2 years in a row in the top 5 in Norris trophy voting? After all this time, no matter how many times it has been explained to you. You still don't understand sample size.

Depends on the timing of the rebuild. If its 5+ years as you have been posting than yes, Walker would not make sense. But if you believe the Flyers are a lot closer than people think, like I do, then Walker may be a nice veteran, bottom pairing RHS defenseman that could really help a younger team.
- jd250

Explain how they are closer than 5 years?

By the way, just to inform you of the facts. On the PP

Walker CF/60 64.52 GF/60 0 GF% NADA xGF/60 2.85 SCF/60 12.9 HDCF/60 0
Sanheim CF/60 91.93 GF/60 5.84 GF%80 xGF/60 5.85 SCF/60 49.61 HDCF/60 18.97

You seriously need to stop. You are embarrassing yourself at a ridiculously high level. Were the voters for end of season awards also not watching the games when they voted him 2 years in a row in the top 5 in Norris trophy voting? After all this time, no matter how many times it has been explained to you. You still don't understand sample size.
- MJL

who are you to tell peeps to stop? Is this now taking the kid gloves off?

Explain how they are closer than 5 years?
- MJL

5 years to what?

Depends on the timing of the rebuild. If its 5+ years as you have been posting than yes, Walker would not make sense. But if you believe the Flyers are a lot closer than people think, like I do, then Walker may be a nice veteran, bottom pairing RHS defenseman that could really help a younger team.
- jd250

If guys like Farabee, Foerster, York Zamula, Tippet, Brink, Cates and Ersson all progress or at least improve (which they will) then it hopefully won’t be 5 years…the Flyers lack Elite Skill but have some talent in these guys and some good prospects in Lehigh. They also have their last two high end 1rst round pick on the horizon. It’s not like they started with nothing. It was only 2-3 years ago that that the prospect pool was considered near the top of the league…some of those guys have not quite progressed to what many thought they would be but some are starting to show glimpses. Could it take 5 years? Sure. But if that’s the case then it to me is another failed FO.

Edit: 5 years the “Hextall plan”.

Hockey you only really need an old stick and a ball.

And ironically basketball was created by a Canadian.

IMHO... there was a point in time (late-80's, early-90's) when hockey could have really blown up. But that tragically coincided with the rise of the dead puck era, trap, clutch n grab, and general goonery. The games became a slog to watch. If the league had stepped in and made the rule changes a decade earlier, and didn't do the OLN thing, and didn't lock the players out repeatedly, I really believe the NHL would be much closer to the NBA today, despite it being Canadian and kinda expensive to play on ice.
- Tomahawk

This is interesting. I realize that hockey is a niche sport, but there was a time when it was right there with the NBA. I'm thinking 1994 after the Rags won the Cup. There was an article in the Sports Illustrated stating that the NHL was hot and the NBA was not. That was their chance to take the puck and skate! However, we all know what happened after that. They locked the players out and the following season didn't start until the end of January. Then you had the bore ass Devils win the Cup in 1995 with their bore ass trap. Momentum gone!

If guys like Farabee, Foerster, York Zamula, Tippet, Brink, Cates and Ersson all progress or at least improve (which they will) then it hopefully won’t be 5 years…the Flyers lack Elite Skill but have some talent in these guys and some good prospects in Lehigh. They also have their last two high end 1rst round pick on the horizon. It’s not like they started with nothing. It was only 2-3 years ago that that the prospect pool was considered near the top of the league…some of those guys have not quite progressed to what many thought they would be but some are starting to show glimpses. Could it take 5 years? Sure. But if that’s the case then it to me is another failed FO.
- landros 2

Not true. They may and you hope they do. No guarantee. The younger guys (frost cates york tippet forest ersson) have had slow starts and not looked all that great.

what good prospects in LHV? I see a a couple depth players is all right now.

oh schitt. The kid gloves are off. Very intimidating. Cliff means business.
- hello it's me 2050

Everyone else is uninformed and we apparently are just walking through Cleo's world.

I guess I have explain to you what is meant by having a future with the team. That means that he is a player that would be considered part of the rebuild moving forward. Part of the team's long term vision. Walker is not that player. Sanheim belongs playing on the PP over Walker.
- MJL

How do you know Walker isn't that player? You can't just go with all kids on defense. He actually was a good player before he had his knee injury. He has looked good to me so far, so I wouldn't be so quick to write him off. Thanks!

Everyone else is uninformed and we apparently are just walking through Cleo's world.
- Phillywhiteout

Actually there are many informed posters on this site. You can learn from them.

Actually there are many informed posters on this site. You can learn from them.
- MJL

would you be opposed to the flyers hiring back Ronald Hextall in some capacity?

How do you know Walker isn't that player? You can't just go with all kids on defense. He actually was a good player before he had his knee injury. He has looked good to me so far, so I wouldn't be so quick to write him off. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Walker is 28 years old and he is what he is. A depth defenseman in this league. That's not the kind of player you consider part of your core future. How do you not know that he isn't that player?

also gambling has and always will be a huge part of why the nfl is popular. IMO peeps underestimate that aspect.
- hello it's me 2050

Absolutely!

This is interesting. I realize that hockey is a niche sport, but there was a time when it was right there with the NBA. I'm thinking 1994 after the Rags won the Cup. There was an article in the Sports Illustrated stating that the NHL was hot and the NBA was not. That was their chance to take the puck and skate! However, we all know what happened after that. They locked the players out and the following season didn't start until the end of January. Then you had the bore ass Devils win the Cup in 1995 with their bore ass trap. Momentum gone!
- Phillywhiteout

It depends where you live. Hockey is # 1 here. Always has been. But Basketball has really gained popularity especially with the younger generations coming up. It’s also the ethnicity of the Canada has changed in the last 20 years. Other sports are gaining on Hockey.
I’m no fan of how the Bettman regime has changed the game overall, but from strictly a financial perspective his stewardship has overseen changes that have allowed the sport to expand into area’s no one ever thought would work…and the over all value of the league has exploded.
You are bang on when you say the US saw and probably still does see the NHL as a Niche sport…easily the #4. But the Bettman era ushered in changes that he and others all hoped would help change that perspective. I’m not sure with the different demographics that will ever change.

Actually there are many informed posters on this site. You can learn from them.
- MJL

Walker is 28 years old and he is what he is. A depth defenseman in this league. That's not the kind of player you consider part of your core future. How do you not know that he isn't that player?
- MJL

I don't, and that's the point. You don't either. I'd see how things play out. He's probably the Flyers second best defenseman right now and he plays the right side. He has my interest either as trade bait or an extension for a couple of years.

Walker is 28 years old and he is what he is. A depth defenseman in this league. That's not the kind of player you consider part of your core future. How do you not know that he isn't that player?
- MJL

so to re-sign someone means he has to be a core player? Not 1 person said or indicated he is a core player or part of the core future.

Define what you think is a depth dman please. He was a top 4 dman in LA. That is a little more than depth. Playing 20 minutes a night here is more than depth.

I don't, and that's the point. You don't either. I'd see how things play out. He's probably the Flyers second best defenseman right now and he plays the right side. He has my interest either as trade bait or an extension for a couple of years.
- Phillywhiteout

You may not know but I do. He is not a player that is considered part of the future core. He is a stop gap veteran. That you state that he's probably the Flyers second best defenseman, is an indictment on the Flyers defense core rather than a statement that he is part of the core future.

Not true. They may and you hope they do. No guarantee. The younger guys (frost cates york tippet forest ersson) have had slow starts and not looked all that great.

what good prospects in LHV? I see a a couple depth players is all right now.
- hello it's me 2050

That’s your “opinion” not fact. Lol. I see growth. Maybe not a linear as I want but it’s there.

Lehigh has 7-8 guys that need grooming but have potential to make the NHL…no I do not know what the over all impact of these guys would be.

Tuomaala
Lycksell
Gendron
Desnoyers
Grans
Samson
Ginning
Andrae
Attard.

Again, all prospects that are at least this far along that they are playing pro hockey in the 2nd toughest league in the world.