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Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Nov 14 @ 10:35 AM ET
Are you implying the Oilers gave him that big contract and lucked out?!? How dare you sir?
- Scabeh



no clue, did they gave him that big contract already in 2016 and in his 2nd season ?
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Nov 14 @ 10:36 AM ET
but we all knew Weber was 5 years older than PK
- fidopro



and a much better guy to have around

dont tell me you think this was a bad trade seeing how PK was not average at best in his last 4 years ?
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 14 @ 10:39 AM ET
no clue, did they gave him that big contract already in 2016 and in his 2nd season ?
- Xizord


They gave it to him in august 2017.

His best season at that point was 77 points. They through a 8 years, 8.5M contract at him (huge considering what the cap was at the time).

He then turned into that 100+ points unstoppable monster.


Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Nov 14 @ 10:41 AM ET
They gave it to him in august 2017.

His best season at that point was 77 points. They through a 8 years, 8.5M contract at him (huge considering what the cap was at the time).

He then turned into that 100+ points unstoppable monster.

- Scabeh



so I was right, the date on the rumour is june 2016, didnt know back then he would be that good !
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Nov 14 @ 10:42 AM ET
and a much better guy to have around

dont tell me you think this was a bad trade seeing how PK was not average at best in his last 4 years ?

- Xizord

I' not saying it was a bad trade, I'm saying the Draisaitl one would have been a much much better one.
but what am I thinking?!? #1C are impossible to get on the trade market.
remember that one?

une autre preuve du manque de vision de la précédente administration. SI la rumeur est vraie. big if.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 14 @ 10:46 AM ET
I' not saying it was a bad trade, I'm saying the Draisaitl one would have been a much much better one.
but what am I thinking?!? #1C are impossible to get on the trade market.
remember that one?

- fidopro


I know we're just having fun discussing a rumour here.

But I reealy doubt Edmonton ever offered Draisaitl.

Considering how obsessed Bergevin was in finding a #1 centre, he would have jumped on that.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Nov 14 @ 10:46 AM ET
I know we're just having fun discussing a rumour here.

But I reealy doubt Edmonton ever offered Draisaitl.

- Scabeh

we'll never know. on jase.
but maybe it's not too late to get Draisaitl? what would you package to get him?
start with one of Caufield/Suzuki.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Nov 14 @ 10:55 AM ET
I know we're just having fun discussing a rumour here.

But I reealy doubt Edmonton ever offered Draisaitl.

Considering how obsessed Bergevin was in finding a #1 centre, he would have jumped on that.

- Scabeh

if he was really obsessed he sure didn't show it and failed big time lol
not only did he not find any, he let Danault walk! ok, not a #1, but a solid #2.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 14 @ 10:59 AM ET
if he was really obsessed he sure didn't show it and failed big time lol
not only did he not find any, he let Danault walk! ok, not a #1, but a solid #2.

- fidopro


He drafted two guys at #3 because he wanted a centre. One of them being somewhat of a reach.

He traded for Jonathan Drouin hoping he would magically turn into a centre.

If someone offered to him former #3 overall Draisaitl for unliked Norris winner P.K. Subban, he would have jumped at it.

And this is not defending Bergevin at all, I agree he lacked vision.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 14 @ 11:00 AM ET
we'll never know. on jase.
but maybe it's not too late to get Draisaitl? what would you package to get him?
start with one of Caufield/Suzuki.

- fidopro


What's Draisaitl's next contract going to be? Same as Matthews? More?

I'm not sure trading for him fits the plan and where we're going.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Nov 14 @ 11:00 AM ET
He drafted two guys at #3 because he wanted a centre. One of them being somewhat of a reach.

He traded for Jonathan Drouin hoping he would magically turn into a centre.

If someone offered to him former #3 overall Draisaitl for unliked Norris winner P.K. Subban, he would have jumped at it.

And this is not defending Bergevin at all, I agree he lacked vision.

- Scabeh


you seem pretty sure of yourself
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 14 @ 11:01 AM ET
you seem pretty sure of yourself
- fidopro


Because I've been Marc Bergevin this whole time!!

I don't know man, it just feels like it fits what I know of the guy.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Nov 14 @ 11:01 AM ET
What's Draisaitl's next contract going to be? Same as Matthews? More?

I'm not sure trading for him fits the plan and where we're going.

- Scabeh


oh for sure. but we need a player of that caliber. we don't have any, and none in the pipeline.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 14 @ 11:03 AM ET
oh for sure. but we need a player of that caliber. we don't have any, and none in the pipeline.
- fidopro


Agreed.

And we'll get that player at some point.

Either through free agency or a trade.

Ideally though, I'd like that player not to cost over 12M per season.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Nov 14 @ 11:38 AM ET
What's Draisaitl's next contract going to be? Same as Matthews? More?

I'm not sure trading for him fits the plan and where we're going.

- Scabeh

Caps going up. Might be higher than Matthews.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 14 @ 11:44 AM ET
Caps going up. Might be higher than Matthews.
- AdamFrench


Most likely yes.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
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Nov 14 @ 12:00 PM ET
Most likely yes.
- Scabeh

rightfully so
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Nov 14 @ 12:30 PM ET
Caps going up. Might be higher than Matthews.
- AdamFrench


Lots of things are going up..
jugkope
Location: Possibly at the Zoo
Joined: 07.19.2009

Nov 14 @ 12:44 PM ET
Lots of things are going up..
- pete26


Don't need to know details of you and the missus Pete.
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Nov 14 @ 12:54 PM ET
Don't need to know details of you and the missus Pete.
- jugkope



at his age, its wishfull thinking !
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Nov 14 @ 12:56 PM ET
at his age, its wishfull thinking !
- Xizord

yeah, it the blood pressure which is going up
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Nov 14 @ 1:01 PM ET
yeah, it the blood pressure which is going up
- fidopro



and the cholestérol !
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Nov 14 @ 2:22 PM ET
Everybody checking their blood pressure ?
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Nov 14 @ 2:33 PM ET
I meant groceries, taxes, etc..
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Nov 14 @ 2:42 PM ET
I meant groceries, taxes, etc..
- pete26



I think its starting to go back down, at least a little...for the groceries

taxes is because you make too much money man !
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