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Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Nov 16 @ 10:28 AM ET
Ironic, the camera is on them and Edzo goes they are looking for some bounces.
- hockeylover


That was hysterical.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Nov 16 @ 10:29 AM ET
If you have access to a game replay, she showed up behind Rod when he took his timeout in the final minute.
- Feanor


Oh yeah! She's a looker.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 16 @ 10:29 AM ET
I’d swap Foerester and Brink
- ClaudeFather


That's fine. Just so long as they both play in the top 9.

Swap Cates and Poehling, too. Either way, that's a much better 4th line than one carrying Nic D around like an anchor.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 16 @ 10:29 AM ET
Oh yeah! She's a looker.
- Letterkenney


A looker who struggles to keep her jacket all the way on.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Nov 16 @ 10:32 AM ET
That's fine. Just so long as they both play in the top 9.

Swap Cates and Poehling, too. Either way, that's a much better 4th line than one carrying Nic D around like an anchor.

- Feanor

I also think it’s dumb to have Foerester play on the first line and all these minutes and all the other guys watch as he doesn’t produce. I don’t think he’s played bad, but let the kid play on the third line and have him find his game. Torts trying to win games yet he lets that kid plant himself top line and not contribute.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 16 @ 10:34 AM ET
I see him being traded at the deadline for a high pick, and the Flyers resigning him in the offseason if the price is reasonable. He is a lot better than I thought ... but then again I don't watch LA games all that often.
- jd250


Not a single person in this world would trust your evaluation of any player
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 16 @ 10:35 AM ET
I also think it’s dumb to have Foerester play on the first line and all these minutes and all the other guys watch as he doesn’t produce. I don’t think he’s played bad, but let the kid play on the third line and have him find his game. Torts trying to win games yet he lets that kid plant himself top line and not contribute.
- ClaudeFather


yeah, Farabee-Coots-TK is a really obvious first line that can do it all.

Let Foerster get easier matchups playing with Frost and Tippett.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:49 AM ET
Give credit where it is due, Carter was fantastic and those 2 stellar 1st period saves were key. The Flyers were outplayed for most of the 2nd and third periods, but you can win games like that when you get clutch goaltending.

Now the not so good stuff:
Giving Brink one game off is fine, but he needed to play last night. It’s not like Foerster is doing anything special but the guy who should have sat last night was Nic D. Carolina certainly isnt a team that’s going to goon things up so there was zero need for the plug to be dressed last night.

And seriously, the powerplay? I mean it’s beyond ridiculous at this point. Do something! I would suggest replacing Rocky as pp coach, but hey, what do I know? I’ve only followed the team for over half a century!

My preseason fear was that this team would be just good enough to miss the playoffs by just a few points and that’s the worst place to be.

- BiggE


I get the reasoning on being in a spot to just miss the playoffs but what’s more important? Having guys like Brink, York, Tippet, Foerster, Zamula, Farabee take some steps to become closer to their full potential or getting the 5th pick in the upcoming draft rather than the 11th?
As well, to have guys like Sanheim and Hart both have their best seasons by staying healthy and becoming cornerstones going forward?
I thought at the start of the year they were a .500 team, I haven’t changed my mind. I just think that’s where they are at. A healthy Coots and Atkinson and a Konecny that looks like an 80 point winger with pest qualities of a Brad Marchand.
Simply put there young guys are to good for there to be a tank, so to me the next best thing is for further development for the kids that are already here.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:49 AM ET
I see him being traded at the deadline for a high pick, and the Flyers resigning him in the offseason if the price is reasonable. He is a lot better than I thought ... but then again I don't watch LA games all that often.
- jd250


It is extremely doubtful that Walker is traded for a high pick. At best I would think a 3rd round pick. He's better than Ristolainen as a RH 3rd pair option. Moves the puck better and is better defensively.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:50 AM ET
Agree and I can't stand Seeler because he is the poster child of the Flyers - lunch pail player, no skill (slight over statement) who would most likely be toiling in the AHL save for one team that traditionally avoids youth like te plague
- mr4tno


Seeler is the perfect player to have on your team as a 6/7 on a rebuilding team.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:51 AM ET
yeah, Farabee-Coots-TK is a really obvious first line that can do it all.

Let Foerster get easier matchups playing with Frost and Tippett.

- Feanor


Foerster is certainly noticeable and somewhat effective in his game…I think the last 6-7 games he’s played well…just needs a couple of breaks to hopefully get going. They need him to score and for where this team is at there’s no reason to sit him or cut back his minutes just yet.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 16 @ 10:53 AM ET
He's better than I thought he would be. A better RH shot option than Ristolainen for the 3rd pair. That they didn't have to pay a boat load for and actually gained assets to take on.
- MJL

how an he be better than you thought when you never watched him play and no very little about him.

He has always been a better option than RR. Not sure why you keep saying that cliff.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Nov 16 @ 10:54 AM ET
I get the reasoning on being in a spot to just miss the playoffs but what’s more important? Having guys like Brink, York, Tippet, Foerster, Zamula, Farabee take some steps to become closer to their full potential or getting the 5th pick in the upcoming draft rather than the 11th?
As well, to have guys like Sanheim and Hart both have their best seasons by staying healthy and becoming cornerstones going forward?
I thought at the start of the year they were a .500 team, I haven’t changed my mind. I just think that’s where they are at. A healthy Coots and Atkinson and a Konecny that looks like an 80 point winger with pest qualities of a Brad Marchand.
Simply put there young guys are to good for there to be a tank, so to me the next best thing is for further development for the kids that are already here.

- landros 2

Were you alive during the Hextall era? The most important thing about this season was getting a top 5 pick. Developing middle of the roster try hards without having multiple elite talents in the pipeline particular at center and defense leads to one thing; mediocrity. But let’s roll the rebuild a little compete a little plan right back expecting different results.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 16 @ 10:56 AM ET
Foerster is certainly noticeable and somewhat effective in his game…I think the last 6-7 games he’s played well…just needs a couple of breaks to hopefully get going. They need him to score and for where this team is at there’s no reason to sit him or cut back his minutes just yet.
- landros 2


There are plenty of reasons to reduce his minutes from the 20 he had last night. He's struggling playing that much, and a better player is riding the pine partly so he can get undeserved top line ice time.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 11:00 AM ET
Were you alive during the Hextall era? The most important thing about this season was getting a top 5 pick. Developing middle of the roster try hards without having multiple elite talents in the pipeline particular at center and defense leads to one thing; mediocrity. But let’s roll the rebuild a little compete a little plan right back expecting different results.
- psuhockey


Have you been alive at all during the span of the Flyers as an organization? They don't and they won't tank. Barring some serious injuries or making moves at the deadline. They won't be picking top 5.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Nov 16 @ 11:02 AM ET
Have you been alive at all during the span of the Flyers as an organization? They don't and they won't tank. Barring some serious injuries or making moves at the deadline. They won't be picking top 5.
- MJL

Then don’t expect different results. This is not a rebuild so they should stop selling it as one.
Quetzalcoatl
Location: Buffalo Sabres / Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 12.02.2009

Nov 16 @ 11:03 AM ET
Are we counting the teams who haven't won a cup despite having #1 or #2 overall picks in their lineup? There are far more of them over the last 15 years.
- atibus


Well, 1 out of 32 teams have won a Cup without a top 2 pick, while 8 out of 32 teams have won a Cup with a top 2 pick in the last 15 years. Which group would you rather be in??? Is a top 2 pick a guarantee? Of course not, see the bungled pick of Nolan Patrick. And, obviously, the talent level at the top of the draft varies year to year. But, not having a top 2 pick is a HUGE hurdle to overcome.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 16 @ 11:04 AM ET
Foerster got 20 minutes of ice time and looked about as likely to score an NHL goal as that lady in the red shirt sitting behind Brindy.

That was a good win on the road, but it's bizarre to have Bobby Brink sitting in the stands while Deslauriers is basically unplayable and only gets 7 minutes, Foerster is gifted way too much ice time that he doesn't deserve, and now they're trying to make Poehling the 3C after giving up on Cates.

Poehling had 14:55 at ES, Cates had 7:25.

- Feanor


yea, add in, they are winning and playing decent games, mix all that up in a bowl and just an odd feeling. ND last night was a waste of a roster spot, as bad as the Frost thing was, the Cates thing is coming in a close 2nd. Cates is in year 2, give him a break. Brink sits, Farabee gets Laughton, while Farabee is still playing well, Laughton is not helping Farabee, kind of wasting Farabee's efforts, running the risk of putting Farabee in a slump.

Sit ND, Add Laughton to Cates and Hath, Figure out who plays with Farabee and Brink. I do agree Brinks skating was an issue the last few games.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 16 @ 11:07 AM ET
It is extremely doubtful that Walker is traded for a high pick. At best I would think a 3rd round pick. He's better than Ristolainen as a RH 3rd pair option. Moves the puck better and is better defensively.
- MJL

Walker would definitely fetch a 3rd round pick. However I think if Walker keeps playing like this a team would be willing to part with a 2nd round pick, especially since this draft is not as deep as last year's draft. that is what I meant by high pick.

Your continued hatred of Risto is laughable. I like Walker so far but he is no Risto!
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Nov 16 @ 11:09 AM ET
Are we counting the teams who haven't won a cup despite having #1 or #2 overall picks in their lineup? There are far more of them over the last 15 years.
- atibus


This really is a bad argument that does nothing to refute what the previous poster was saying. Nobody said every #1 overall pick wins a cup.

Elite talent does not guarantee you a cup but NOT having elite talent guarantees you WILL NOT win a cup. That elite/generational talent required to win the cup is usually only able to be obtained in the top 3-4 picks of the draft and most cup winning teams have at least 2 of those talents.

The Elite Talent is only one ingredient in the TEAM, supporting players and coaching all have a role. You need all 3 to win the cup and not all teams have all 3 ingredients and even when they do, only one team can win the cup.

The question is, do you want the Flyers to win the cup, or are you happy with a 1st round series loss?

Nobody gives a crap how bad Chicago was 20 years ago or how bad Pittsburgh tanked over the years or how many times Colorado drafted top 5. They were all just as bad as Edmonton at one point.

There was a lot of complaining about tanking when the Penguins drafted Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury. 20 years later what do people remember?

Those teams got to rewrite their history by winning cups. Nobody cares how you got there as long as you win. It's the teams that never get there that take the brunt of history and it's why Chicago is repeating a recipe that worked for them before.
Thors-Hammer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Joined: 08.12.2013

Nov 16 @ 11:10 AM ET
If you have access to a game replay, she showed up behind Rod when he took his timeout in the final minute.
- Feanor


There always seems to be a good looking, big breasted woman in a low cut shirt behind every NHL hockey bench. Do hockey arenas keep those seats open and look for hot girls to fill those seats? LOL
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 16 @ 11:11 AM ET
I’d swap Foerester and Brink
- ClaudeFather


Brink seems redundant with Frost
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 16 @ 11:17 AM ET
Were you alive during the Hextall era? The most important thing about this season was getting a top 5 pick. Developing middle of the roster try hards without having multiple elite talents in the pipeline particular at center and defense leads to one thing; mediocrity. But let’s roll the rebuild a little compete a little plan right back expecting different results.
- psuhockey


Again what’s more important….the development of the young core here or 6-7 draft spots? If all those young guys flop and we don’t have some of them continue to grow then drafting some kid with the 5th pick and gonna mean poop. Sure it’s tougher to draft kids not in the top two or three spots that can develop into elite…but to me it’s just as important to develop the talent here even if none fit the elite profile everyone needs.
For them to tank, they would of had to move 5-6 other guys this past summer.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 16 @ 11:17 AM ET
I get the reasoning on being in a spot to just miss the playoffs but what’s more important? Having guys like Brink, York, Tippet, Foerster, Zamula, Farabee take some steps to become closer to their full potential or getting the 5th pick in the upcoming draft rather than the 11th?
As well, to have guys like Sanheim and Hart both have their best seasons by staying healthy and becoming cornerstones going forward?
I thought at the start of the year they were a .500 team, I haven’t changed my mind. I just think that’s where they are at. A healthy Coots and Atkinson and a Konecny that looks like an 80 point winger with pest qualities of a Brad Marchand.
Simply put there young guys are to good for there to be a tank, so to me the next best thing is for further development for the kids that are already here.

- landros 2


a good numbers of peeps said this beginning of the year, if the youngens stepped forward again, vets healthy and good goaltending, they would not get a top 5 pick. Best to hope for is winning the lottery, or go ahead and squeak into the playoffs.

Their youngens step forward you could trade and re-shape the pool. They should make a ton of moves the TDL, selling off vets and re-shaping.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Nov 16 @ 11:18 AM ET
Oh yeah! She's a looker.
- Letterkenney


I noticed that as well. I don’t think brindy was watching the game at all haha.

Omfg. Lol at the Ed o comment about getting bounces. I didn’t hear that but would have fallen over.
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