So Gretzky said he would probably not play for Torts, he prefers a more O minded coach, he believes Torts prefers D and it was mentioned Briere has pushed Torts to promote a more O approach.
- wcorvette

You’d never see Torts hired to coach McDavid or any elite player at this point in time.

looks like MM and 1 and 1 and went after a guy who hit one of his peeps.

So Gretzky said he would probably not play for Torts, he prefers a more O minded coach, he believes Torts prefers D and it was mentioned Briere has pushed Torts to promote a more O approach.
- wcorvette

.. and yet here with sit with the leagues worst pp at under 7 percent gone of for their last 30 is it? It’s so bad, I expect to not score and just look at the clock to say well hopefully we can just pass it around our own zone and kill 2 mins. Seriously.

Agree 100%
- landros 2

he is getting to the puck and the right areas, he competes on the board, he does not need to improve skating for that but I do believe if he can improve his skating, he will have a much better chance to hit the ceiling of the rest of his skill set. He needs better feet and that can be improve, but he has to play to improve it.

This really is a bad argument that does nothing to refute what the previous poster was saying. Nobody said every #1 overall pick wins a cup.
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- Flyers_01

You wrote a lot to what was a simple statement about correlation does not equal causation. The assertion I replied to was that having #1 or #2 picks somehow influences championships. It's completely irrelevant objectively because many teams have those players and yet don't win championships.

Anyone can cherry pick some insight that is irrelevant. My data shows that more teams with #1 and #2 overall picks on their roster do not win the SC every year. Does that make them losers? Of course not. Does having more #1 and #2 overall picks make a team winners? No (see Edmonton, Toronto, and Buffalo every year for the last ~10 years). So even saying that X out of Y teams that win have #1 and #2 picks is as useful as saying 12 out of the last 15 teams that have won have plural names. It's true and it's irrelevant to the conversation.

This Flyers team needs more talent - obviously. It's a higher likelihood that they find it in the top of the draft - obviously. But they need to draft and develop and have a system that works for the people they have while also being extremely lucky with injuries.

.. and yet here with sit with the leagues worst pp at under 7 percent gone of for their last 30 is it? It’s so bad, I expect to not score and just look at the clock to say well hopefully we can just pass it around our own zone and kill 2 mins. Seriously.
- Hextall271

at one point it was they could not get in the zone, now they get in and one player of the other makes a bad choice (shot or pass) and it turns over the puck and out they go. With the talent, it will not be a good PP but they need a couple goals to get some confidence.

.. and yet here with sit with the leagues worst pp at under 7 percent gone of for their last 30 is it? It’s so bad, I expect to not score and just look at the clock to say well hopefully we can just pass it around our own zone and kill 2 mins. Seriously.
- Hextall271

coach preaches accountability, just not when he is involved.

I fully get that the Flyers are in a rebuild, and the winning streak will not continue... and that the goal is to morph into a constant cup contender, as the better prospects filter in over the next few seasons... but come on, guys buck up.

I came on here expecting to see an upbeat group of Flyers Fans -- hopefully not fighting amongst themselves -- basking in a stretch of good character wins... maybe even giving some props to the coaching staff that has pulled the proper strings to enable road wins against better teams... but what do I find? I find on here miserable Flyers fans enjoying themselves, doing what they love best; being Debbie Downers who are not happy unless they are miserable and complaining.

I'm not saying that we should pretend we have a playoff team that is where it should be... I'm just saying; take a breath and relax.. enjoy a team that is over achieving and actually fun to watch on a daily basis for a change... and maybe admit that Torts, with all his many faults, has the Flyers actually playing in a manner that can win games. But I suppose I seem to forget that the Flyers have all of a sudden become tankers.

Negadelphia reigns... and has crept into the once proud and honorable Flyers family of fans. Chill and support your team as it is hopefully on the upswing because it could be much worse as they could be doing all the wrong things as they continue to string together non-contending seasons... take a break and maybe discuss the good points, and enjoy the hard work, and recent decent play. Save the biatching for games were they schit the bed. 🙄 //Rant

Sorry for the lecture.. but frankly, this forum deserves one. 😒
- ForeverFlyer16

Honestly, you should be sorry for the lecture and honestly, I didn't read it all. Now here is my lecture. This team hasn't been truly relevant in over a decade. They've been a debacle of incompetence and misguided judgement. Which still continues in my opinion. My bar is set higher. A team winning a few games and overachieving a you put it, does not move the needle. Does not satisfy me as a fa anymore. I want a legitimate cup contender. They're not on that path in my opinion. I know the limitations of this coach and the carnival circus that he is. Why are you so easily pleased and satisfied as a fan? Where just having a team be competitive is enough? With the history and the last decade plus, why is that good enough? I would seriously up your standards.

I'll bring this up every time... the last time the Flyers had a strong playoff run, they needed a miracle in game 82 just to make the playoffs after finishing the regular season ranked 18th= in a 30 team league.

You wrote a lot to what was a simple statement about correlation does not equal causation. The assertion I replied to was that having #1 or #2 picks somehow influences championships. It's completely irrelevant objectively because many teams have those players and yet don't win championships.

Anyone can cherry pick some insight that is irrelevant. My data shows that more teams with #1 and #2 overall picks on their roster do not win the SC every year. Does that make them losers? Of course not. Does having more #1 and #2 overall picks make a team winners? No (see Edmonton, Toronto, and Buffalo every year for the last ~10 years). So even saying that X out of Y teams that win have #1 and #2 picks is as useful as saying 12 out of the last 15 teams that have won have plural names. It's true and it's irrelevant to the conversation.

This Flyers team needs more talent - obviously. It's a higher likelihood that they find it in the top of the draft - obviously. But they need to draft and develop and have a system that works for the people they have while also being extremely lucky with injuries.
- atibus

There are many flies in your ointment. For one beginning with that there are 32 teams in the league and only one wins the Stanley Cup. The very fact that when looking at Cup winning teams, they all have elite players. All except a handful have players drafted at the top of the draft. The point isn't that more teams with a player drafted in the top 2 win the cup then don't. The point is to win the Cup, your odds are much greater to win it with a players drafted in the top 2 then without.

how desperate would Tampa be to get into the playoffs? No cap space, no picks, who could they trade. Seems Stamkos and Hedman are coming up on new deals. Sergachev has the 8.5 hit with term but he is 25. If they are out of contention for the cup should they sell Stamkos? Assume when Vas comes back they will be better but there window is???

The Canes were unbeaten at home going into last night. I was watching and thinking in the last 8 minutes that the Canes would score and then it would be buckle up for the Flyers. Give them credit for not giving up that 2nd goal.

For what, a 5th round pick?
- MJL

If that's the best they were offered I'd keep him. I'm thinking Seeler would fetch higher than a 5thhe continues this kind of play.

I'll bring this up every time... the last time the Flyers had a strong playoff run, they needed a miracle in game 82 just to make the playoffs after finishing the regular season ranked 18th= in a 30 team league.
- Feanor

Your comment piqued my interest so I went to search on who the last Presidents Trophy winner was that also won the cup - been awhile - last one to do it was the Black Hawks in 2012 - 13 and outside of the Rangers who lost in the Conference Finals the otehrs didnt get past the 1st or 2nd round. Guess it goes to show that its all about syncing at the right time even if it was a miracle! Thanks for that

I have ESPN plus but don’t see this Ottawa game? It doesn’t say nhl network,nvm says nhl network elsewhere

The problem is they are tied to some good players who have immovable contracts… they have a bunch of guys drafted in the first round that are decent or becoming decent players. Yes they lack that elite C and that elite D… I just don’t think there is a logical way to get to where you want them to go. Is it a true tear down rebuild ? No… and with where they were at the start of the Torts era… it was never going to be.
- landros 2

It could easily be. Hart moved. Konecny moved. Laughton moved. Go nowhere vets on the blue line replaced with rookies and living with their mistakes. That’s a recipe for a bottom 5 team and completely justifiable moves for a rebuild. But instead there’s Staal, Belpedio, or Seeler on the blue line and Poehling and Hathaway on the front end.

Everyone associated with this franchise including some of its pundits can talk about playing the right way, building a foundation, good in the room or whatever other catchphrase they can think of but in the end talent wins. They don’t have enough of it and are still living with a precap mentality on how to obtain it.

Anyone stream site. Stream east is not working

It could easily be. Hart moved. Konecny moved. Laughton moved. Go nowhere vets on the blue line replaced with rookies and living with their mistakes. That’s a recipe for a bottom 5 team and completely justifiable moves for a rebuild. But instead there’s Staal, Belpedio, or Seeler on the blue line and Poehling and Hathaway on the front end.

Everyone associated with this franchise including some of its pundits can talk about playing the right way, building a foundation, good in the room or whatever other catchphrase they can think of but in the end talent wins. They don’t have enough of it and are still living with a precap mentality on how to obtain it.
- psuhockey

I would like to see GMDB expedite the process for sure. I do not think a complete teardown can be accomplished in the next year or two though. Their are a handful of players that are essentially untradable at this point.

Continue to add assets and shed salary when possible. Draft effectively and develop the players you draft. I would not retain any UFA pending player. Trade them all if possible. I sure do not want any longterm (3+ years) deals being signed.

Your comment piqued my interest so I went to search on who the last Presidents Trophy winner was that also won the cup - been awhile - last one to do it was the Black Hawks in 2012 - 13 and outside of the Rangers who lost in the Conference Finals the otehrs didnt get past the 1st or 2nd round. Guess it goes to show that its all about syncing at the right time even if it was a miracle! Thanks for that
- jackfrost

And of course we had Boston setting records last regular season only to choke like dogs in the first round.

If that's the best they were offered I'd keep him. I'm thinking Seeler would fetch higher than a 5thhe continues this kind of play.
- Pelle31Forever

he is a free agent to be. Why keep him? You plan on re-signing him?

It could easily be. Hart moved. Konecny moved. Laughton moved. Go nowhere vets on the blue line replaced with rookies and living with their mistakes. That’s a recipe for a bottom 5 team and completely justifiable moves for a rebuild. But instead there’s Staal, Belpedio, or Seeler on the blue line and Poehling and Hathaway on the front end.

Everyone associated with this franchise including some of its pundits can talk about playing the right way, building a foundation, good in the room or whatever other catchphrase they can think of but in the end talent wins. They don’t have enough of it and are still living with a precap mentality on how to obtain it.
- psuhockey

It depends on what they could get for the key pieces such as tk and hart. Sure you could dump a lot of players by retaining salary etc but we don’t want that and we want to get a lot for these guys. That’s why I think it may be at the draft where you see the big pieces moved. Contenders don’t normally have a lot of cap space.

It depends on what they could get for the key pieces such as tk and hart. Sure you could dump a lot of players by retaining salary etc but we don’t want that and we want to get a lot for these guys. That’s why I think it may be at the draft where you see the big pieces moved. Contenders don’t normally have a lot of cap space.
- Hextall271

I would retain on TK 100%. A team getting TK for 2 playoff runs at 2.5 or what ever it is per is a sweet deal and it should bring in a very very nice haul.

I would retain on TK 100%. A team getting TK for 2 playoff runs at 2.5 or what ever it is per is a sweet deal and it should bring in a very very nice haul.
- hello it's me 2050

100%, not a long term retain but one where we maximize the asset

It depends on what they could get for the key pieces such as tk and hart. Sure you could dump a lot of players by retaining salary etc but we don’t want that and we want to get a lot for these guys. That’s why I think it may be at the draft where you see the big pieces moved. Contenders don’t normally have a lot of cap space.
- Hextall271

I understand that but are they going to move these pieces if they make the playoffs or just miss the playoffs? Briere could have moved them at the last draft.

They don’t just have to move the high priced vets like Couturier. Atkinson or Sanheim. He needs to move the lower prices younger talent before he ends up signing them to the same bloated immovable contracts as those players.

I would retain on TK 100%. A team getting TK for 2 playoff runs at 2.5 or what ever it is per is a sweet deal and it should bring in a very very nice haul.
- hello it's me 2050

So say, the contender offers you a late first and late 2nd and we retain 50%? I don’t do that. They have to pay up big time. 1st top prospect or young roster player and a 2nd. I just don’t want to trade him for the sake of making us worse and getting a higher pick. I want premium rebuild capital.