Sorry, I don't think you are close on this one. Again, just a speculation, but I think Torts looks at Frost's game and thinks to himself, yeah, this kid has talent, vision and skill, but will his game translate to the playoffs where the intensity is ratcheted up 100% and the space on the ice is limited? I don' the answer because, alas, Frost has not played an NHL playoff game, but I can see this being a factor. Not saying it is, just saying I can see that it might be.
- jd250

Honestly you think it's about Tortorella thinking that Frost's game won't translate to the playoffs so that's why he's scratching him in October and November? The teams leading ES scorer from last year? You don't think the other poster is close? How about Poehling? Do you think Tortorella thinks his game will translate to the playoffs? How absurd.

Yea, I know just like all the other of hundreds of irrational things you've thought about hockey.
- MJL

It's not irrational. You said it yourself, Torts is good at getting teams to bond, buy in and play together. Isn't that the MOST important aspect of an NHL head coach?? It's not about Xs and Os with a head coach, that is what the assistants do. It's about getting the locker room right and building a culture of accountability. Cam Atkinson stated two years ago before Torts arrived that it was a country club culture here, and in less than two seasons Torts has fixed this. It's not irrational, its fact, and to me that makes Torts the best coach in the league, hands down.

It is not up tp Torts on how the rebuild goes, he cannot sit top layers or make Hart the backup.

It is all up to DB, if he wants to trade away all the good players like Chicago did then he should.
- WhiskeyMan

You're wrong. It is absolutely up to Tortorella. He is making the lineup decisions and scratching young players. He is favoring winning over rebuilding.

Honestly you think it's about Tortorella thinking that Frost's game won't translate to the playoffs so that's why he's scratching him in October and November? The teams leading ES scorer from last year? You don't think the other poster is close? How about Poehling? Do you think Tortorella thinks his game will translate to the playoffs? How absurd.
- MJL

Poehling is a heavy player, and Yes, his game will translate to the playoffs. Torts like's heavy players, lets face it. Look at the transformation with Sanheim, he has gone from soft to heavy in 1 off-season! Again, Torts was the catalyst.

when he took that penalty yesterday Torts was more happy than Vegas.

I hope he calls his agent to formally request a trade. Now put in Staal and sit Zamula.
- hello it's me 2050

what about the 3 penalties taken before that. how come they all didn't sit.

As usual, you hear what you want to hear. That is NOT what Torts said, you are being disingenuous here! Unless you want us to add "fountain of misinformation" to your list of titles? Torts said he has to BALANCE the rebuild with winning, because as not just Torts has mentioned recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFADcfQHVpI, a rebuild fails when you have a culture or standard that accepts losing. No matter what the lineup is, a team has to have the attitude that they have to win every single game and every single shift in every single game! What does it matter if you have McDavid and Draisaitl if you have a culture that losing is acceptable! You honestly do not know what you are talking about!
- jd250

It's exactly what he said and his actions and his decisions back up my premise. He is putting winning over rebuilding. He said exactly that in that press conference. You keep bringing up this fantasy of culture and standard that Tortorella has you brainwashed into believing. You ignore the teams who went through periods of losing, only to rebuild and be successful. I wish I had a dollar for every time you told me I don't know what I'm talking about the inevitable happens. I turn out right and you turn on wrong. On virtually everything. You have zero standing. I'm waiting for your reply on the ridiculously uninformed post you made on the other thread where you told me I didn't know what I was talking about in regard to the system that Tortorella plays. Showing that you have no clue.

Teams winning or losing doesn't have squat to do with a culture or a standard. It has to do with talent, skill, speed and quality coaching.

It's not irrational. You said it yourself, Torts is good at getting teams to bond, buy in and play together. Isn't that the MOST important aspect of an NHL head coach?? It's not about Xs and Os with a head coach, that is what the assistants do. It's about getting the locker room right and building a culture of accountability. Cam Atkinson stated two years ago before Torts arrived that it was a country club culture here, and in less than two seasons Torts has fixed this. It's not irrational, its fact, and to me that makes Torts the best coach in the league, hands down.
- jd250

No, it's not the most important aspect of a NHL head coach! Winning is!


The coach institutes the system. When a head coach is hired, whose system do they play? The assistants? LOL You honestly don't a dam thing about hockey.

Getting the locker room right. Accountability. Culture ,a standard. You have bought into Tortortella's bullpoop hook line and sinker.

Poehling is a heavy player, and Yes, his game will translate to the playoffs. Torts like's heavy players, lets face it. Look at the transformation with Sanheim, he has gone from soft to heavy in 1 off-season! Again, Torts was the catalyst.
- jd250

This is how completely full of poop you are. Just a few minutes ago, you posted that you don't know if Frost's game will translate to the NHL because he has never played a playoff game. Now with Poehling, you state his game will translate to the playoffs. Guess what Poehling has never played? An NHL playoff game. LMAO

Feanor is right, your ability to assess an NHL player or anything in hockey for that matter is downright comical. It's pathetically embarrassing.

This is how completely full of poop you are. Just a few minutes ago, you posted that you don't know if Frost's game will translate to the NHL because he has never played a playoff game. Now with Poehling, you state his game will translate to the playoffs. Guess what Poehling has never played? An NHL playoff game. LMAO

Feanor is right, your ability to assess an NHL player or anything in hockey for that matter is downright comical. It's pathetically embarrassing.
- MJL

You are a complete buffoon that does not know how to read. My post was speculation of what Torts might think based on the things he has said he values, for example stick on puck. I personally think Poehling's game will translate to the NHL and yes, he plays a heavy game. Frost does not play a heavy game. Does this mean Frost's game will not translate to an NHL PLAYOFF game? I don't know, but I think there is a chance it won't. You and Feanor can take a long walk, hand in hand, off a short pier.

No, it's not the most important aspect of a NHL head coach! Winning is!


The coach institutes the system. When a head coach is hired, whose system do they play? The assistants? LOL You honestly don't a dam thing about hockey.

Getting the locker room right. Accountability. Culture ,a standard. You have bought into Tortortella's bullpoop hook line and sinker.
- MJL

And this post sums up your inability to comprehend the sport of hockey, again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Sorry, I don't think you are close on this one. Again, just a speculation, but I think Torts looks at Frost's game and thinks to himself, yeah, this kid has talent, vision and skill, but will his game translate to the playoffs where the intensity is ratcheted up 100% and the space on the ice is limited? I don' the answer because, alas, Frost has not played an NHL playoff game, but I can see this being a factor. Not saying it is, just saying I can see that it might be.
- jd250

So he's sitting Frost at the beginning of the year because he thinks Frost might be soft in the playoffs? Gotcha.....Jack Ass of the year trophy winner for sure.
Meanwhile, ND has 14 minutes in the box in the first half of the game, but is essential to the team. Very flawed logic. Frost sits so ND can sit in the box.

As usual, you hear what you want to hear. That is NOT what Torts said, you are being disingenuous here! Unless you want us to add "fountain of misinformation" to your list of titles? Torts said he has to BALANCE the rebuild with winning, because as not just Torts has mentioned recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFADcfQHVpI, a rebuild fails when you have a culture or standard that accepts losing. No matter what the lineup is, a team has to have the attitude that they have to win every single game and every single shift in every single game! What does it matter if you have McDavid and Draisaitl if you have a culture that losing is acceptable! You honestly do not know what you are talking about!
- jd250

Your new favorite word.....STANDARD...lol

It's exactly what he said and his actions and his decisions back up my premise. He is putting winning over rebuilding. He said exactly that in that press conference. You keep bringing up this fantasy of culture and standard that Tortorella has you brainwashed into believing. You ignore the teams who went through periods of losing, only to rebuild and be successful. I wish I had a dollar for every time you told me I don't know what I'm talking about the inevitable happens. I turn out right and you turn on wrong. On virtually everything. You have zero standing. I'm waiting for your reply on the ridiculously uninformed post you made on the other thread where you told me I didn't know what I was talking about in regard to the system that Tortorella plays. Showing that you have no clue.

Teams winning or losing doesn't have squat to do with a culture or a standard. It has to do with talent, skill, speed and quality coaching.
- MJL

I invite every here to re-watch this Torts presser and decide for yourself what he said. MJL, as typical is being disingenuous and misleading!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66DWHDNLCJA

Start at 1:21 minutes in and go to the 2:52 mark. "Trying to win goes hand in hand with development"!

Now, compare what Torts said here to what Mike Felger said here about the Buffalo Sabres rebuild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFADcfQHVpI

And then decide for yourselves, which one of us knows what we are talking about. I think its very, very clear.

Poehling is a heavy player, and Yes, his game will translate to the playoffs. Torts like's heavy players, lets face it. Look at the transformation with Sanheim, he has gone from soft to heavy in 1 off-season! Again, Torts was the catalyst.
- jd250

100% disagree. Sanheim stepping up was all on Sanheim. You are 100% wrong with this opinion.

You are a complete buffoon that does not know how to read. My post was speculation of what Torts might think based on the things he has said he values, for example stick on puck. I personally think Poehling's game will translate to the NHL and yes, he plays a heavy game. Frost does not play a heavy game. Does this mean Frost's game will not translate to an NHL PLAYOFF game? I don't know, but I think there is a chance it won't. You and Feanor can take a long walk, hand in hand, off a short pier.
- jd250

I'm referring to the part where you said that you don't know if Frost's game will translate to the playoffs because he has never played a playoff game in the NHL. You posted that. Do I need to link to it?
Then you posted that Poehling's will yet he has never played a playoff game. You posted that. Do I need to link to it?
You don't see the contradiction there? You make a fool of yourself every single day.


Hits/60

Frost 2.85
Poehling 2.58


Goals against/60

Frost 1.58 (Best on the team)
Poehling 1.9

CA/60 shot prevention. (Higher is worst)

Frost 56.21
Poehling 71

Expected goals against/60 (Shot quality)

Frost 2.27
Poehling 2.53


Goals for %

Frost 70%
Poehling 37.50%

And this post sums up your inability to comprehend the sport of hockey, again, you don't know what you are talking about.
- jd250

There is a public record of all of your posts and mine. That speaks for itself and does all the talking I need.

I invite every here to re-watch this Torts presser and decide for yourself what he said. MJL, as typical is being disingenuous and misleading!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66DWHDNLCJA

Start at 1:21 minutes in and go to the 2:52 mark. "Trying to win goes hand in hand with development"!

Now, compare what Torts said here to what Mike Felger said here about the Buffalo Sabres rebuild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFADcfQHVpI

And then decide for yourselves, which one of us knows what we are talking about. I think its very, very clear.
- jd250

What everyone should do is listen to the full presser. Not just the excerpt that you want people to listen to. The only conclusion that can be made from that is that Tortorella is putting winning over rebuilding and loyalty to the older players and what is fair to them and winning over developing young players and rebuilding. It is crystal clear. Everyone should listen to the full press conference. Everyone already knows that you don't have a clue.

100% disagree. Sanheim stepping up was all on Sanheim. You are 100% wrong with this opinion.
- TheFreak

Within the last two weeks jd250 has stated that Sanheim is a stiff and is not good both offensively and defensively. Now he is stating that Tortorella is the catalyst for Sanheim's play. What play? His play as a stiff that is bad offensively and defensively? He again, has contradicted himself and has no clue that he did.

I invite every here to re-watch this Torts presser and decide for yourself what he said. MJL, as typical is being disingenuous and misleading!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66DWHDNLCJA

Start at 1:21 minutes in and go to the 2:52 mark. "Trying to win goes hand in hand with development"!

Now, compare what Torts said here to what Mike Felger said here about the Buffalo Sabres rebuild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFADcfQHVpI

And then decide for yourselves, which one of us knows what we are talking about. I think its very, very clear.
- jd250

I watched this twice already. The excuses Torts is giving for sitting talented young players for goons is comical. I agree with MJL...he is putting winning above all else. Yes losing non stop is bad for young players...but is removing ND and putting Frost in with Brink and Foerster playing as well really going to be the difference between winning and losing? You really think that by putting LESS talented players into the lineup is good for the team and their chances of winning?Torts is a smug wiener, and this video shows that through and through. How can you be so gullable?

PS...no one cares who is right or wrong in yours and MJL's pissing match

Good win for the boys yesterday. All points accumulated by the players are "Giroux Points" right?

Laine a healthy scratch last night. Ha, it seems Torts can sure weed out the softies. Was listening to Ken Danyko (could be spelled wrong) on NHL Network last night and when they were done showing the highlights he had nothing but praise for Torts. He said he likes what he is doing with the young players. He said that he is teaching them how to be consistent at the NHL level and what it takes to compete every night at the highest level. Eh what? Personally, I think the disdain for Torts on here is overblown. While he is far from perfect I think he has this team humming along right now and I have no problem with it with the exception of how he is dealing with Frost.

Laine a healthy scratch last night. Ha, it seems Torts can sure weed out the softies. Was listening to Ken Danyko (could be spelled wrong) on NHL Network last night and when they were done showing the highlights he had nothing but praise for Torts. He said he likes what he is doing with the young players. He said that he is teaching them how to be consistent at the NHL level and what it takes to compete every night at the highest level. Eh what?
- Phillywhiteout

Well he is at least teaching one of the young players. Kinda but not really.

Well he is at least teaching one of the young players. Kinda but not really.
- mickel25

I added on to this comment. I think he is fine with the exception of Frost. He should be playing.

Laine a healthy scratch last night. Ha, it seems Torts can sure weed out the softies. Was listening to Ken Danyko (could be spelled wrong) on NHL Network last night and when they were done showing the highlights he had nothing but praise for Torts. He said he likes what he is doing with the young players. He said that he is teaching them how to be consistent at the NHL level and what it takes to compete every night at the highest level. Eh what? Personally, I think the disdain for Torts on here is overblown. While he is far from perfect I think he has this team humming along right now and I have no problem with it with the exception of how he is dealing with Frost.
- Phillywhiteout

Sure, as Columbus matches the Flyers in 5 on 5 play, shot generation and chance generation yet can't finish. The coach sits the best goal scorer on the team while the Flyers win the game because they finished.

Danyko is a dinosaur. Let me know when he coaches or GM's a team to contention.

I watched this twice already. The excuses Torts is giving for sitting talented young players for goons is comical. I agree with MJL...he is putting winning above all else. Yes losing non stop is bad for young players...but is removing ND and putting Frost in with Brink and Foerster playing as well really going to be the difference between winning and losing? You really think that by putting LESS talented players into the lineup is good for the team and their chances of winning?Torts is a smug wiener, and this video shows that through and through. How can you be so gullable?

PS...no one cares who is right or wrong in yours and MJL's pissing match
- TheFreak

I'm not against sitting Deslauriers and seeing what happens. But your entire argument is Torts is putting winning ahead of everything else because Frost is sitting, and I just don't believe that is true. I also believe that you have to balance winning with development, otherwise you end up the Buffalo Sabres with talent up and down the lineup playing in front an empty building because they don't know how to win a game.