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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 4:41 PM ET
Points...plus/minus and hits.
- Phillywhiteout


Seriously? Not the numbers I would look at but when you look at those and other numbers. There aren't numbers that scream one player over the other to this point.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 19 @ 4:42 PM ET
Call it out in what way? Journalists are just there to report what happens. Plenty of writers, like Bill, have given their opinion on Tortorella’s treatment of Frost.
- Dkos

do their job and ask questions directly to the coach as to why's.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 19 @ 4:43 PM ET
The issue is that Tortorella is irrational in deciding what players he likes and what ones he doesn't. Frost is not a soft player. The sooner they get rid of Tortorella the better.
- MJL

who would you hire right now to replace him? any names?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Nov 19 @ 5:00 PM ET
Seriously? Not the numbers I would look at but when you look at those and other numbers. There aren't numbers that scream one player over the other to this point.
- MJL
It stuns me that Cates is a minus player and has 4 total hits on the season. Not good for what is supposed to be a defensive stalwart.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 5:04 PM ET
It stuns me that Cates is a minus player and has 4 total hits on the season. Not good for what is supposed to be a defensive stalwart.
- Phillywhiteout


Cates has not had a strong start to the season but the last thing that should happen is to sit him. It's actually the opposite. A good coach would find a way to get him going. Move him up in the lineup to play with a player that is playing well. Play him in different situations. However the only bullet in Tortorella's gun is to scratch players. Contrary to the statements of some. All of the young players on the team are not currently progressing well and Tortorella is not a good developer of young players.
THE EVIL WITHIN
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Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Nov 19 @ 5:09 PM ET
Brink in. Frost out. Wow
- Dkos

And Sandstrom on waivers
THE EVIL WITHIN
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Nov 19 @ 5:12 PM ET
if he is traded hope it it is for Grant older guy type. Need to be entertained. I like the hawks as his destination.
- hello it's me 2050

Torts would prefer Ulysses Grant
Dkos
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 19 @ 5:14 PM ET
Torts would prefer Ulysses Grant
- THE EVIL WITHIN


Does he block shots?
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 19 @ 5:14 PM ET
Bill, I know you have been vocal about the Frost situation, but anyone just asked Torts

Why is Frost held to a different standard? A little conflict is good for ratings and Torts is a dope, that is all
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

Nov 19 @ 5:16 PM ET
if he is traded hope it it is for Grant older guy type. Need to be entertained. I like the hawks as his destination.
- hello it's me 2050

Maybe they could pry Ryan Reaves away from Toronto .
Dkos
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 19 @ 5:16 PM ET
do their job and ask questions directly to the coach as to why's.
- hello it's me 2050


He’s answered that question plenty of times. You just don’t like his answer.
wcorvette
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Nov 19 @ 5:17 PM ET
With vets coming back Torts will show himself, I hope he put his Ego aside and makes the right calls. But I’m back where I was with the Sharks game, it would serve Torts right if the Flyers lost, hate even thinking it but he deserves it
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 19 @ 5:19 PM ET
He’s answered that question plenty of times. You just don’t like his answer.
- Dkos


Yea but journalists can ask direct questions, then follow up with drill down questions, at the very least push him, it will be obvious.

Could not get Frost in because they were winning, not so much to get Frost out, vs better teams
Dkos
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Nov 19 @ 5:24 PM ET
Yea but journalists can ask direct questions, then follow up with drill down questions, at the very least push him, it will be obvious.

Could not get Frost in because they were winning, not so much to get Frost out, vs better teams

- wcorvette


Do you think there is some magic question that will make Tortorella admit he just doesn’t like Frost?
THE EVIL WITHIN
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Nov 19 @ 5:25 PM ET
Bill, I know you have been vocal about the Frost situation, but anyone just asked Torts

Why is Frost held to a different standard? A little conflict is good for ratings and Torts is a dope, that is all

- wcorvette

Frost absolutely gets no rope. I am sure Frost would have been scratched over a done player like Jeff Carter.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 5:28 PM ET
With vets coming back Torts will show himself, I hope he put his Ego aside and makes the right calls. But I’m back where I was with the Sharks game, it would serve Torts right if the Flyers lost, hate even thinking it but he deserves it
- wcorvette


Tortorella all but confirmed in a recent press conference that rebuilding is not the Flyers priority. Winning is. He stated he owes that to the players in the room.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 19 @ 5:30 PM ET
Do you think there is some magic question that will make Tortorella admit he just doesn’t like Frost?
- Dkos



Of course not, but facial expression and body language will do. Just like he lashed out when asked was it hard to scratch him, you get a direct question in and then we he gives his line of “he has to” you jump back in and drill down. Torts ego will show.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Nov 19 @ 5:32 PM ET
I said it last week, i cant fully get back until Jorts is gone

Jonesy and Jorts, The Great Gaslighters
THE EVIL WITHIN
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Nov 19 @ 5:38 PM ET
Do you think there is some magic question that will make Tortorella admit he just doesn’t like Frost?
- Dkos

Well, he called him a toilet 🚽 seat last season.
Dkos
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 19 @ 5:44 PM ET
Of course not, but facial expression and body language will do. Just like he lashed out when asked was it hard to scratch him, you get a direct question in and then we he gives his line of “he has to” you jump back in and drill down. Torts ego will show.
- wcorvette


I’m not sure what the point of this is? You just want to see a reporter argue with the coach?
THE EVIL WITHIN
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Nov 19 @ 5:47 PM ET
🐝
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Nov 19 @ 5:49 PM ET
Buzzing for a back to back.
THE EVIL WITHIN
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Nov 19 @ 5:57 PM ET
Here comes the rejuvenated PP 🥳
wcorvette
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Nov 19 @ 5:59 PM ET
I’m not sure what the point of this is? You just want to see a reporter argue with the coach?
- Dkos



I do, don’t like bullies, don’t like what I consider unprofessional and like it less when they are not called out. Really not arguing, legitimate questioning based upon Torts actions
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 5:59 PM ET
Columbus really struggling to move the puck. Can't handle the Flyers forecheck. Shooting mentality on the PP. Pucks and traffic on net.
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