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Torts wields a LOT of power in the organization. He's not "just" the coach and absolutely not a "mouthpiece". More than Danny becoming GM, the scales-tipper in balance of power was with Jonesy becoming POHO because he and Torts are in lockstep about most (not all, but most) hockey ops matters. It is very much the "triumvirate" that was described in the summer. - bmeltzer
This is why the Flyers had to stay in house in elevating Briere to GM. No proven or visionary GM is going to work in a hierarchy where his power is muted in a triumvirate
where he is stuck in the middle between two kindred spirits.
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This is why the Flyers had to stay in house in elevating Briere to GM. No proven or visionary GM is going to work in a hierarchy where his power is muted in a triumvirate
where he is stuck in the middle between two kindred spirits. - Minnyhock
Same with Jones and POHO position. No serious candidate would take the job with that kind of arrangement. Which is why they had to hire Jones. What a mess. Disguised by a little bit of regular season success.
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This is why the Flyers had to stay in house in elevating Briere to GM. No proven or visionary GM is going to work in a hierarchy where his power is muted in a triumvirate
where he is stuck in the middle between two kindred spirits. - Minnyhock
No one is saying they aren’t a triumvirate. In fact, that’s exactly what I said - they all work together on this. What I take exception with is that Torts controls Danny and Jonesy which is just ridiculous. You may not like how they are doing things but it’s all three of them in on this together, not just Torts.
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Same with Jones and POHO position. No serious candidate would take the job with that kind of arrangement. Which is why they had to hire Jones. What a mess. Disguised by a little bit of regular season success. - MJL
Wow! Nothing like having an open mind and given people a fair chance. Good job! ![;)](https://hbcf.s3.amazonaws.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif) All because your favorite cause sits in the press box. |
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Then the annual good Friday day game against the Rangers. Which I'm pissed I won't be able to watch. - MJL
Well, you may not be able to watch it live but if you have Espn+ you can watch the game from the beginning whenever you can. |
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Same with Jones and POHO position. No serious candidate would take the job with that kind of arrangement. Which is why they had to hire Jones. What a mess. Disguised by a little bit of regular season success. - MJL
I don’t think anyone is under the delusion that we are now some powerhouse team. The team could most certainly come back to Earth and once we start losing tons of games and the players tune out the coach I’ll be right there with ya saying it’s not working.
But we aren’t there yet. We look pretty good. Got rid of some dead weight. The team doesn’t look as lost or hopeless. I’m not going to bring out the pitchforks and torches like some of you just because I don’t like the way we are doing it or whatever people are upset about. We are winning, we look pretty good doing it thus far and until that changes I’ll root for my team and not go on suicide watch whenever a player I like has to sit.
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The Flyers 4th line sure looks expensive now.
Delsauriers - $1,750,000
Cates - $2,625,000
Hathaway - $2,375,000
Three guys who can't score, and have been handily outscored, all for the bargain price of $6,750,000. |
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It was the same way with the issue of the old guard and Clarke and Barber involved. Pretty much the same group didn't want to believe that either. It's staring you right in the face. - MJL
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This is why the Flyers had to stay in house in elevating Briere to GM. No proven or visionary GM is going to work in a hierarchy where his power is muted in a triumvirate
where he is stuck in the middle between two kindred spirits. - Minnyhock
I remember so many names of “up and comers” being bandied about for POHO and guys like Tulsky and others on this site. So this notion kind of makes some sense. Would those guys want to come in if they weren’t gonna be handed the keys but only 1/3 of the power? Nothing ruled by committee works. There’s a reason there is a power structure in business. Someone has to make the call. Someone has to make the decision. The Board sets the parameters and the executives execute. Flyers? Not so much. |
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The Flyers 4th line sure looks expensive now.
Delsauriers - $1,750,000
Cates - $2,625,000
Hathaway - $2,375,000
Three guys who can't score, and have been handily outscored, all for the bargain price of $6,7500,000. - Feanor
Still less than -50 Kevin Hayes lol
If your top guys are too fragile to throw a hit in the NHL then you gotta pay guys to do it for them |
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Wow! Nothing like having an open mind and given people a fair chance. Good job! All because your favorite cause sits in the press box. - jd250
What a rhetorical failure. You told me the same thing when I told you what Fletcher was doing wasn't going to work.
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The Flyers 4th line sure looks expensive now.
Delsauriers - $1,750,000
Cates - $2,625,000
Hathaway - $2,375,000
Three guys who can't score, and have been handily outscored, all for the bargain price of $6,7500,000. - Feanor
I think he has been weighed down some by the dead weight of Deslauriers but I'm disappointed so far with Hathaway. I thought he would be much better.
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Same with Jones and POHO position. No serious candidate would take the job with that kind of arrangement. Which is why they had to hire Jones. What a mess. Disguised by a little bit of regular season success. - MJL
I would rather they took on a more innovative and visionary coach lacking in experience. Then putting in a proven GM with all his normal powers. The GM can encourage the coach to take an assistance who is proven to mitigate any inexperience flaws.
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I think he has been weighed down some by the dead weight of Deslauriers but I'm disappointed so far with Hathaway. I thought he would be much better. - MJL
Yeah, me too.
I'd love to see what a 4th line of Cates-Poehling-Hathaway could do.
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I remember so many names of “up and comers” being bandied about for POHO and guys like Tulsky and others on this site. So this notion kind of makes some sense. Would those guys want to come in if they weren’t gonna be handed the keys but only 1/3 of the power? Nothing ruled by committee works. There’s a reason there is a power structure in business. Someone has to make the call. Someone has to make the decision. The Board sets the parameters and the executives execute. Flyers? Not so much. - mikeyo27
![:thumbsup:](https://hbcf.s3.amazonaws.com/images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif) Really though, for me, it's more about who I think has the most power and pull and that's Tortorella. That's a problem. |
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I would rather they took on a more innovative and visionary coach lacking in experience. Then putting in a proven GM with all his normal powers. The GM can encourage the coach to take an assistance who is proven to mitigate any inexperience flaws. - Minnyhock
Same here but another issue with this franchise is that not only is it poor in developing players. It's awful in developing coaches. Not a single coach in the organization that has any prayer of developing into a moder day NHL coach.
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I remember so many names of “up and comers” being bandied about for POHO and guys like Tulsky and others on this site. So this notion kind of makes some sense. Would those guys want to come in if they weren’t gonna be handed the keys but only 1/3 of the power? Nothing ruled by committee works. There’s a reason there is a power structure in business. Someone has to make the call. Someone has to make the decision. The Board sets the parameters and the executives execute. Flyers? Not so much. - mikeyo27
It’s kind of mind boggling when you have a committee of three where the guy who holds the position that’s supposedly at the bottom of the power structure is the only one with experience. |
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Same here but another issue with this franchise is that not only is it poor in developing players. It's awful in developing coaches. Not a single coach in the organization that has any prayer of developing into a moder day NHL coach. - MJL
I’m sure we will get a list of those guys from you any day now 😂 |
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I’m sure we will get a list of those guys from you any day now 😂 - black_francis
What are you alternate/former accounts here?
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Same here but another issue with this franchise is that not only is it poor in developing players. It's awful in developing coaches. Not a single coach in the organization that has any prayer of developing into a moder day NHL coach. - MJL
what criteria you using to make this statement? Any facts or links to share?
How do they compare to other nhl teams using whatever criteria you apply. |
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What are you alternate/former accounts here? - Feanor
Maybe I’m bmeltzer, Editor. Just driving up site interaction! |
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You are right. Jones and Torts have a lot of NHL management experience. - hello it's me 2050
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It's a good feeling. Unfortunately, the thought lingers in the back of my head that Eagles did not beat Chiefs, Chiefs lost themselves a game. Too many unforced errors in the second half that doomed them, not the Eagles play, unfortunately. - missingmike
so we don't beat teams, teams just find ways to lose to us |
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At least this I what I have heard from people who have been with the team longer than you. - black_francis
Bill > Your Dad when it comes to the pulse of the team, apparently. |
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Bill > Your Dad when it comes to the pulse of the team, apparently. - Tomahawk
Yeah, clearly 😆 |
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