I would rather be losing these games. Same ole BS, we win some games then forget that a rebuild needs to take place.

Briere needs to trade ND, and force the nipplehead coach to play Frost or fire him. This player is more important than the coach and his OG ways!!!

Glad some players are doing well, atkinson, coots, sanheim, TK, laughton, Hart and I would trade all of them at the TDL for the right return.

I would rather be losing these games. Same ole BS, we win some games then forget that a rebuild needs to take place.

Briere needs to trade ND, and force the nipplehead coach to play Frost or fire him. This player is more important than the coach and his OG ways!!!

Glad some players are doing well, atkinson, coots, sanheim, TK, laughton, Hart and I would trade all of them at the TDL for the right return.
- Flyerloon

all vets who are "carrying" the team.

I would rather be losing these games. Same ole BS, we win some games then forget that a rebuild needs to take place.

Briere needs to trade ND, and force the nipplehead coach to play Frost or fire him. This player is more important than the coach and his OG ways!!!

Glad some players are doing well, atkinson, coots, sanheim, TK, laughton, Hart and I would trade all of them at the TDL for the right return.
- Flyerloon

I’d say try to move Laughton, Atkinson and Frost (if he’s not in their plans) and get the most you can. Not sure anyone is touching the Coots or Sanheim contracts. While we may get a haul for TK and Hart, I think they are both special players who aren’t exactly going to be over the hill by the time Cutter and Michkov get here.

I’d say try to move Laughton, Atkinson and Frost (if he’s not in their plans) and get the most you can. Not sure anyone is touching the Coots or Sanheim contracts. While we may get a haul for TK and Hart, I think they are both special players who aren’t exactly going to be over the hill by the time Cutter and Michkov get here.
- black_francis

Completely agree. Tk and hart aren’t going to be 35 when we are back in contention imo. I worry so much that we’re going to trade hart and then be in the position that Edmonton, and Toronto are in. teams looking to contend but held back by lack of goaltending. Soldi tending isn’t as plentiful as some think or these teams would Bev solved the issue by now.

I’d say try to move Laughton, Atkinson and Frost and get the most you can. Not sure anyone is touching the Coots or Sanheim contracts. While we may get a haul for TK and Hart, I think they are both special players who aren’t exactly going to be over the hill by the time Cutter and Michkov get here.
- black_francis

They have zero intention of moving those 2 imo.

Also do not think Hart or TK are special players at all.

I’d say try to move Laughton, Atkinson and Frost (if he’s not in their plans) and get the most you can. Not sure anyone is touching the Coots or Sanheim contracts. While we may get a haul for TK and Hart, I think they are both special players who aren’t exactly going to be over the hill by the time Cutter and Michkov get here.
- black_francis

i do not want to trade hart. TK i would if there was a good offer. Not saying he is easily replaced, but could potentially bring a lot back. He may play this way deep into his 30's. but his style of play and his size....usually players like this fall off as they age. Understand your viewpoint though.

atkinson is next year

Completely agree. Tk and hart aren’t going to be 35 when we are back in contention imo. I worry so much that we’re going to trade hart and then be in the position that Edmonton, and Toronto are in. teams looking to contend but held back by lack of goaltending. Soldi tending isn’t as plentiful as some think or these teams would Bev solved the issue by now.
- Hextall271

or maybe those GM's dont place a high value on goaltending. Can be other reasons as well.

for the flyers to keep them both it will have to be a an 8 year deal and not discounted in any way. Maybe even an overpay. I am not interested in that

other teams have game/games in hand
- hello it's me 2050

Sssshhhhh - do not ruin the narrative!

or maybe those GM's dont place a high value on goaltending. Can be other reasons as well.

for the flyers to keep them both it will have to be a an 8 year deal and not discounted in any way. Maybe even an overpay. I am not interested in that
- hello it's me 2050

I feel like the goaltending landscape around the league is changing. Look at Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa, Carolina, and a few others. It’s hard to win without consistent goaltending and consistent goaltending has become very hard to come by. Hart would be an upgrade over a lot of goalies.

or maybe those GM's dont place a high value on goaltending. Can be other reasons as well.

for the flyers to keep them both it will have to be a an 8 year deal and not discounted in any way. Maybe even an overpay. I am not interested in that
- hello it's me 2050

what cap hit is too much for you? just curious.

One that gets the most out of his teams that lack talent? Absolutely.

Don’t let your love for one player keep you from enjoying the wins and the overall better play.
- black_francis

Has nothing to do with my "love" for any player. Has to do with what have been limitations he hasn't been able to overcome except for one magical season 19 years ago when Tampa was almost freakishly injury-free all season. When he's misjudged players, he's missed spectacularly (see Mats Zuccarello, who was about to go back to Europe before NY coaching changes to Vigneault turned his career, see William Karlsson, who was pegged as a 4th liner in Columbus and then scored 40 the next year in Vegas).

I never said he isn't a good coach. He is. But I wouldn't call him a great one or a HOF builder candidate. An innovator? No. A great teaching coach? Debatable. A great communicator?

or maybe those GM's dont place a high value on goaltending. Can be other reasons as well.

for the flyers to keep them both it will have to be a an 8 year deal and not discounted in any way. Maybe even an overpay. I am not interested in that
- hello it's me 2050

It’s still shown that you need an exceptionally strong d corp to win if you want to cheap out on the goaltending. To me those gms have not head measurable success because this aspect is holding them back. The oilers are starting pickard tonight for gods sake.

what cap hit is too much for you? just curious.
- Peter Richards

If they keep Hart it needs to be a reasonable AAV.

I think 8 years, $6mil per would be good for both sides if both want to make that type of commitment. I have not looked at the goalie market but $6mil was the first number that popped into my head.

I am fine with trading Hart as well. In fact, I probably would trade him if I was calling the shots.

Completely agree. Tk and hart aren’t going to be 35 when we are back in contention imo. I worry so much that we’re going to trade hart and then be in the position that Edmonton, and Toronto are in. teams looking to contend but held back by lack of goaltending. Soldi tending isn’t as plentiful as some think or these teams would Bev solved the issue by now.
- Hextall271

Edmonton and Toronto are cases of pure negligence. I'm ok with trading Hart IF

1. It's a good return.

2. There's a plan in place that you have a goalie coming in that is ready ie Kolosov.

You can't nickel and dime your way with Skinners and Sasonovs of the world.

It’s still shown that you need an exceptionally strong d corp to win if you want to cheap out on the goaltending. To me those gms have not head measurable success because this aspect is holding them back. The oilers are starting pickard tonight for gods sake.
- Hextall271

those teams have also had incompetent management. that is the bigger issue

what cap hit is too much for you? just curious.
- Peter Richards

I just dont want to commit 8 years to either player. That is likely what it will take.

TK gonna get over 7.5 to start. Hart probably over 5.5.

Has nothing to do with my "love" for any player. Has to do with what have been limitations he hasn't been able to overcome except for one magical season 19 years ago when Tampa was almost freakishly injury-free all season. When he's misjudged players, he's missed spectacularly (see Mats Zuccarello, who was about to go back to Europe before NY coaching changes to Vigneault turned his career, see William Karlsson, who was pegged as a 4th liner in Columbus and then scored 40 the next year in Vegas).

I never said he isn't a good coach. He is. But I wouldn't call him a great one or a HOF builder candidate. An innovator? No. A great teaching coach? Debatable. A great communicator?
- bmeltzer

Bill,

Have the Flyers chatted with Hart regarding an extension?

Has nothing to do with my "love" for any player. Has to do with what have been limitations he hasn't been able to overcome except for one magical season 19 years ago when Tampa was almost freakishly injury-free all season. When he's misjudged players, he's missed spectacularly (see Mats Zuccarello, who was about to go back to Europe before NY coaching changes to Vigneault turned his career, see William Karlsson, who was pegged as a 4th liner in Columbus and then scored 40 the next year in Vegas).

I never said he isn't a good coach. He is. But I wouldn't call him a great one or a HOF builder candidate. An innovator? No. A great teaching coach? Debatable. A great communicator?
- bmeltzer

But you can’t conveniently leave out that he’s done this with players like Anthony Duclair or Pierre Luc Dubois who have both been better players after Torts. Does it work with everyone? No. Could you lose a player? Sure. It happens.

Not sure he’s a Hall of Famer but he’s coached in the NHL longer than you and me both.

Has nothing to do with my "love" for any player. Has to do with what have been limitations he hasn't been able to overcome except for one magical season 19 years ago when Tampa was almost freakishly injury-free all season. When he's misjudged players, he's missed spectacularly (see Mats Zuccarello, who was about to go back to Europe before NY coaching changes to Vigneault turned his career, see William Karlsson, who was pegged as a 4th liner in Columbus and then scored 40 the next year in Vegas).

I never said he isn't a good coach. He is. But I wouldn't call him a great one or a HOF builder candidate. An innovator? No. A great teaching coach? Debatable. A great communicator?
- bmeltzer

understand it has been years since he won a cup. not saying he is a great coach, but when you look at the list only a few got more than 1 in the last 20 years. And those who did were with great teams as well.

last 20 years, Cooper has 2 (tampa), Sullivan 2 (Pitts), Quenneville 3 (Chicago), Sutter 2 (LA). back to 2003 the rest just have 1.

Completely agree. Tk and hart aren’t going to be 35 when we are back in contention imo. I worry so much that we’re going to trade hart and then be in the position that Edmonton, and Toronto are in. teams looking to contend but held back by lack of goaltending. Soldi tending isn’t as plentiful as some think or these teams would Bev solved the issue by now.
- Hextall271

Edmonton and Toronto are being held back by more than just goaltending. Their defense is crap too.

If the Flyers have no intention of tanking then cap space becomes even more important so they have the flexibility to sign and trade for elite talent. Committing a huge chunk to a goaltender long term is not a smart decision.

I feel like the goaltending landscape around the league is changing. Look at Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa, Carolina, and a few others. It’s hard to win without consistent goaltending and consistent goaltending has become very hard to come by. Hart would be an upgrade over a lot of goalies.
- ClaudeFather

Yes. I think those teams that you listed would be very interested in trading for him. With a better team in front of him, I think you'd see him be very successful. I'd be fine with re signing both TK and Hart as there will have to be some vets alongside the young core moving forward. Hart just turned 25 and TK is 26. I don't think it's absurd to think that we'd be back in the mix in 3 years? They're 28 and 29 not 35. If they can be had on reasonable deals, then re sign them. Don't give them full NTC, so you can still trade them if you see fit down the road. If it does work out, you have two solid vets to compliment your young core.

But you can’t conveniently leave out that he’s done this with players like Anthony Duclair or Pierre Luc Dubois who have both been better players after Torts. Does it work with everyone? No. Could you lose a player? Sure. It happens.

Not sure he’s a Hall of Famer but he’s coached in the NHL longer than you and me both.
- black_francis

DuClair is not a good player, if he is so good why is he with the Sharks and not a cup contender. He has had 3 good seasons:

1. 2015 his rookie season
2. 2019 while playing Ottawa
3. 2021 while playing for Florida

Pierre-Luc Dubois' had 3 solid seasons (60+ points) while in Columbus and 2 (60+ points) playing for the jets. Not a good example of a player doing better after Torts.

Edmonton and Toronto are being held back by more than just goaltending. Their defense is crap too.

If the Flyers have no intention of tanking then cap space becomes even more important so they have the flexibility to sign and trade for elite talent. Committing a huge chunk to a goaltender long term is not a smart decision.
- psuhockey

Completely disagree. You go and trade hart for a low first and a prospect with no tender earmarked in the wings, what do you then have? Once again a never-ending search for a tender to be the backbone of your young team. As I mentioned, you re sign them on a reasonable deal, and if it all goes to crap or there's a severe overpay, you can deal them. With young prospects on the way and some already here, you're not going to need to break the bank. Elite talent in the realm of 8 -10 mil a year isn't going to be available as teams don't let these guys walk to UFA. Look how hard it is to find stud dmen. We'll have to draft and develop or trade.

Edmonton and Toronto are being held back by more than just goaltending. Their defense is crap too.

If the Flyers have no intention of tanking then cap space becomes even more important so they have the flexibility to sign and trade for elite talent. Committing a huge chunk to a goaltender long term is not a smart decision.
- psuhockey

The benefit to having Torts talking every day with Danny and Jonesy and not being another dispensable coach is that if he can get guys in the room to see success you may just be able to convince them to take more favorable deals in order to help the team overall - rather than being an awful team where everyone is just looking out for themselves. Obviously that will take a LOT more wins and consistency over a longer period of time - but if that does happen and players feel there is a direction and feel they are apart of something you may just get those team-friendly deals. Not saying guys are going to willingly leave money on the table for Torts - but they sure aren’t going to do that on a bottom feeding team that has no hope.

I’d say try to move Laughton, Atkinson and Frost (if he’s not in their plans) and get the most you can. Not sure anyone is touching the Coots or Sanheim contracts. While we may get a haul for TK and Hart, I think they are both special players who aren’t exactly going to be over the hill by the time Cutter and Michkov get here.
- black_francis

I believe gmdg said that they aren't planning on moving 89 and toilet staal