Just saw Seeler's clip of him handing out the player of the game award to ND.
Liked what he said..." someone who always has our backs".
For all the hate ND gets here, IMO he has played his role very well and his efforts are well appreciated within that dressing room. To me, that is value. I get the younger players need to play, but that is for the coach to decide who is giving their best effort nightly
Hey, we could have Ryan Reeves.
Seeler continues to be steady and well worth the salary
- 3flyerkids

Guys that have actually played hockey understand full well what ND means to the team and the dressing room. Those who haven’t probably will never get it.

Yes. I think those teams that you listed would be very interested in trading for him. With a better team in front of him, I think you'd see him be very successful. I'd be fine with re signing both TK and Hart as there will have to be some vets alongside the young core moving forward. Hart just turned 25 and TK is 26. I don't think it's absurd to think that we'd be back in the mix in 3 years? They're 28 and 29 not 35. If they can be had on reasonable deals, then re sign them. Don't give them full NTC, so you can still trade them if you see fit down the road. If it does work out, you have two solid vets to compliment your young core.
- Hextall271

That’s exactly how you stay in no man’s land though. What’s the end goal there, you sign another player to the team to add with cutter and Michkov and now you’re a contender? If you’re rebuilding, you don’t resign both of those guys.

But you can’t conveniently leave out that he’s done this with players like Anthony Duclair or Pierre Luc Dubois who have both been better players after Torts. Does it work with everyone? No. Could you lose a player? Sure. It happens.

Not sure he’s a Hall of Famer but he’s coached in the NHL longer than you and me both.
- black_francis

The NHL is an old boys club -- look at some of the complete (frank)tards that have been employed by teams in a myriad of positions, usually falling up

fletcher
chiarelli
waddel
rutherford

I don't think anyone disputes that Tortorella is a good coach. A great one? Debatable. One with certain blinders? Yes. Stubborn? Absolutely.
- bmeltzer

Actually there are quite a few posters that see very few redeeming qualities from our head coach.

Guys that have actually played hockey understand full well what ND means to the team and the dressing room. Those who haven’t probably will never get it.
- landros 2

correct, and you can't convince them. i even tried to use direct player quotes and interviews of nhl players. doesn't matter.

DuClair is not a good player, if he is so good why is he with the Sharks and not a cup contender. He has had 3 good seasons:

1. 2015 his rookie season
2. 2019 while playing Ottawa
3. 2021 while playing for Florida

Pierre-Luc Dubois' had 3 solid seasons (60+ points) while in Columbus and 2 (60+ points) playing for the jets. Not a good example of a player doing better after Torts.
- WhiskeyMan

Duclair is a fine player. He certainly took it to us with a goal and an assist when the sharks beat us this year.

And you’re right - Dubois was a +20 during his time with CBJ and a -7 during his time with the Jets. Torts sucks.

Guys that have actually played hockey understand full well what ND means to the team and the dressing room. Those who haven’t probably will never get it.
- landros 2

👍

can’t track intangibles with stats which means they don’t exist I guess.

The NHL is an old boys club -- look at some of the complete (frank)tards that have been employed by teams in a myriad of positions, usually falling up

fletcher
chiarelli
waddel
rutherford
- corduroy

Surely you have a more diverse vocabulary than “(frank)tards”…

So then you agree this isn’t just a “flyers problem.”

But you can’t conveniently leave out that he’s done this with players like Anthony Duclair or Pierre Luc Dubois who have both been better players after Torts. Does it work with everyone? No. Could you lose a player? Sure. It happens.

Not sure he’s a Hall of Famer but he’s coached in the NHL longer than you and me both.
- black_francis

He’s obviously a dam good coach or he wouldn’t keep getting head coaching jobs for the last 2 decades. Some coach’s gravitate to certain players, a different coach may see that same player different and may not connect with that same player the way another would. At this point I don’t see in Frost what Torts does. Unfortunately for Frost Torts is the head coach.

I just dont want to commit 8 years to either player. That is likely what it will take.

TK gonna get over 7.5 to start. Hart probably over 5.5.
- hello it's me 2050

Tough choices for sure for where this team is at.

Edmonton and Toronto are cases of pure negligence. I'm ok with trading Hart IF

1. It's a good return.

2. There's a plan in place that you have a goalie coming in that is ready ie Kolosov.

You can't nickel and dime your way with Skinners and Sasonovs of the world.
- Pelle31Forever

Any time I hear Torts fawn over Ersson I do wonder if Hart will be dealt especially if his involvement in the 2017 Canadian world jrs debacle gets settled.

Yes. I think those teams that you listed would be very interested in trading for him. With a better team in front of him, I think you'd see him be very successful. I'd be fine with re signing both TK and Hart as there will have to be some vets alongside the young core moving forward. Hart just turned 25 and TK is 26. I don't think it's absurd to think that we'd be back in the mix in 3 years? They're 28 and 29 not 35. If they can be had on reasonable deals, then re sign them. Don't give them full NTC, so you can still trade them if you see fit down the road. If it does work out, you have two solid vets to compliment your young core.
- Hextall271

ex selke laught sanheim RR Joel ND is neough vets

what is a reasonable deal? also you think they wont get full NTC?

Guys that have actually played hockey understand full well what ND means to the team and the dressing room. Those who haven’t probably will never get it.
- landros 2

those days are long gone. No one fears any player any longer. the days of worrying about a probert domi and like are in the past.

add to the fact that a highs majority of these guys are all fn friends now even minimizes it more.

those days are long gone. No one fears any player any longer. the days of worrying about a probert domi and like are in the past.

add to the fact that a highs majority of these guys are all fn friends now even minimizes it more.
- hello it's me 2050

i think it has more to do with him being a big body that actually hits and maybe offering muscle/presence in scrums. it's not like he's out there fighting everyone.

checking is still apart of the game, no?

https://www.statmuse.com/...hl/ask/flyers-hit-leaders

forget fighting. without some of the guys near the top in the hits category we'd be a painfully soft team.

everyone wants 6 puck movers on d and 12 playmakers/snipers at forward when in reality no team in the league has a makeup like this

those days are long gone. No one fears any player any longer. the days of worrying about a probert domi and like are in the past.

add to the fact that a highs majority of these guys are all fn friends now even minimizes it more.
- hello it's me 2050

I wouldn’t say they are totally gone…all though I do think the game has been softened. It’s not like Domi or Probert fought outside of their weight classes, they both played a physical game and made sure guys didn’t take liberties with the smaller or younger players….to say there is no intimidation in hockey is simply not true.

Will be be in the Hall of Fame?

again, nope.

i think it has more to do with him being a big body that actually hits and maybe offering muscle/presence in scrums. it's not like he's out there fighting everyone.

checking is still apart of the game, no?

https://www.statmuse.com/...hl/ask/flyers-hit-leaders

forget fighting. without some of the guys near the top in the hits category we'd be a painfully soft team.
- black_francis

i do not see him adding any muscle or what not. he prevents absolutely nothing.

how many of his "hits" do you even notice? need some context on his hits. raw numbers in this case leave a lot of questions to me

i do not see him adding any muscle or what not. he prevents absolutely nothing.

how many of his "hits" do you even notice? need some context on his hits. raw numbers in this case leave a lot of questions to me
- hello it's me 2050

i simply disagree and that's ok too

i certainly notice when guys on the team don't hit

I wouldn’t say they are totally gone…all though I do think the game has been softened. It’s not like Domi or Probert fought outside of their weight classes, they both played a physical game and made sure guys didn’t take liberties with the smaller or younger players….to say there is no intimidation in hockey is simply not true.
- landros 2

well we disagree. no fear factor in any way. Those too had the intimidation factor. They didnt have to go out of their weight class

Well 99.9% is true imo. Only a true pansy is intimidated in the nhl in 2023.

i simply disagree and that's ok too
- black_francis

indeed it is

i also think Nic D is quite possibly the worst skater in the league. his stride is...ridiculous looking. but i do appreciate it doesn't stop him from doing we he can out there.

i'll wait for the guys in the room to say "get this guy outta here" before I decide he is of no value.

i also think Nic D is quite possibly the worst skater in the league. his stride is...ridiculous looking. but i do appreciate it doesn't stop him from doing we he can out there.

i'll wait for the guys in the room to say "get this guy outta here" before I decide he is of no value.
- black_francis

that would never happen (unless he was a porblem player) . You know this if you were in a "room" before!!

well we disagree. no fear factor in any way. Those too had the intimidation factor. They didnt have to go out of their weight class

Well 99.9% is true imo. Only a true pansy is intimidated in the nhl in 2023.
- hello it's me 2050

Yes we do disagree.

Completely disagree. You go and trade hart for a low first and a prospect with no tender earmarked in the wings, what do you then have? Once again a never-ending search for a tender to be the backbone of your young team. As I mentioned, you re sign them on a reasonable deal, and if it all goes to crap or there's a severe overpay, you can deal them. With young prospects on the way and some already here, you're not going to need to break the bank. Elite talent in the realm of 8 -10 mil a year isn't going to be available as teams don't let these guys walk to UFA. Look how hard it is to find stud dmen. We'll have to draft and develop or trade.
- Hextall271

Hart appears very calm, just more mature this season, like he took another step, could be a better team in-front of him or that they are winning, lets hope it is just who he is and will be as a player.

that would never happen (unless he was a porblem player) . You know this if you were in a "room" before!!
- hello it's me 2050

Well it would go along with owing it to the guys in the room to try and win. If he was a massive detriment to the team he wouldn’t play. He is physical, he hits and doesn’t take dumb penalties. I still think there’s room in the league for that, and certainly room on the team for that considering a lot of our guys don’t hit at all