best case scenario is TK and Hart tell they Flyers they will test free agency. force the Flyers hand

Well it would go along with owing it to the guys in the room to try and win. If he was a massive detriment to the team he wouldn’t play. He is physical, he hits and doesn’t take dumb penalties. I still think there’s room in the league for that, and certainly room on the team for that considering a lot of our guys don’t hit at all
- black_francis

well imo the flyers would be a better team with ND out of the lineup.

Define massive!!! When he is out there they get out chanced pretty much out everything.

Has nothing to do with my "love" for any player. Has to do with what have been limitations he hasn't been able to overcome except for one magical season 19 years ago when Tampa was almost freakishly injury-free all season. When he's misjudged players, he's missed spectacularly (see Mats Zuccarello, who was about to go back to Europe before NY coaching changes to Vigneault turned his career, see William Karlsson, who was pegged as a 4th liner in Columbus and then scored 40 the next year in Vegas).

I never said he isn't a good coach. He is. But I wouldn't call him a great one or a HOF builder candidate. An innovator? No. A great teaching coach? Debatable. A great communicator?
- bmeltzer

A great used car salesman. He'd make a solid life as a con artist as well

Duclair is a fine player. He certainly took it to us with a goal and an assist when the sharks beat us this year.

And you’re right - Dubois was a +20 during his time with CBJ and a -7 during his time with the Jets. Torts sucks.
- black_francis

You pointed them out a post tort success stories. DuClaire in on his 6th team in 8 NHL seasons, if he was good, teams would keep him. He has 5 points in 14 games, yes the sharks suck, but still. He has only played 70+ games twice in a career. He is a mediocre player.

Dubois is a good player, he good under Torts and he is good now, He didn't suddenly explode in points after Torts.

People hate torts, i get it.

I like Torts and thing he has his good qualities but the ego is to much. He was looking for a way to get Brink in, will he look for a way to get Frost in? Maybe Cates could benefit from watching. Funny, Torts said a few weeks back, I have to be careful how much I expect from Cates, next thing, welcome to the 4th line.

For the record I agree on Brink, he should stay with Farabee, I said recently said having Farabee (who is playing good) was wasted with Laughts and Ryan P. I do think Brink is a good fit.

Ryan P, happy for him, he is young, hope the game blows up his confidence. Bill is right, puck luck on all 3 points, but he has hustle. His hands are my issue, even on the goal he whiffed but he could be a different player now.

Islanders up next, should be a good test.

Is funny how Frost sits vs the easier teams.


Torts says he is icing the best team and that includes ND?

well imo the flyers would be a better team with ND out of the lineup.

Define massive!!! When he is out there they get out chanced pretty much out everything.
- hello it's me 2050

He’s a minus 3 so far this year. So it’s not like he’s getting lit up every time he’s on the ice.

Elliott Friedman was saying on the pod that a lot of teams are putting out 4th lines to literally “do nothing”, to absorb time more or less. Is it the right way to build a team? I don’t know, but we aren’t the only team thinking this way.

Of course he’s not the most talented guy, but if we are winning games and the guys like him in the room then I think that’s a positive. Balance and chemistry are important, too.

If frost is out there too, scoring, the team is winning and everyone seems upbeat then I don’t think people think twice about ND being on the fourth line. I think a lot of feelings toward him trickle down from frost not playing, as if ND is taking someone’s spot. Different players.

Any time I hear Torts fawn over Ersson I do wonder if Hart will be dealt especially if his involvement in the 2017 Canadian world jrs debacle gets settled.
- landros 2

I can't get a feel on the team's plan for Hart. I'm all for player empowerment so if Hart wants one last big deal with term, go for it. I just don’t think the Flyers should be the ones giving it.

I like Torts and thing he has his good qualities but the ego is to much. He was looking for a way to get Brink in, will he look for a way to get Frost in? Maybe Cates could benefit from watching. Funny, Torts said a few weeks back, I have to be careful how much I expect from Cates, next thing, welcome to the 4th line.

For the record I agree on Brink, he should stay with Farabee, I said recently said having Farabee (who is playing good) was wasted with Laughts and Ryan P. I do think Brink is a good fit.

Ryan P, happy for him, he is young, hope the game blows up his confidence. Bill is right, puck luck on all 3 points, but he has hustle. His hands are my issue, even on the goal he whiffed but he could be a different player now.

Islanders up next, should be a good test.

Is funny how Frost sits vs the easier teams.


Torts says he is icing the best team and that includes ND?
- wcorvette

rp vs cates. cates had a slow start, but has been better than rp. and since being demoted, the 4th line hasn't been as bad. would prefer cates as the 3c. they played well a few games when he was with bee and brink i believe.

https://www.naturalstattr...&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

I'm amazed and bewildered that anyone who has played the game of hockey or has never played the game for that matter. Believes that a player who when he is on the ice, the opposition scores 71% of goals, has value to a team.

best case scenario is TK and Hart tell they Flyers they will test free agency. force the Flyers hand
- hello it's me 2050

That would do it.

He’s a minus 3 so far this year. So it’s not like he’s getting lit up every time he’s on the ice.

Elliott Friedman was saying on the pod that a lot of teams are putting out 4th lines to literally “do nothing”, to absorb time more or less. Is it the right way to build a team? I don’t know, but we aren’t the only team thinking this way.

Of course he’s not the most talented guy, but if we are winning games and the guys like him in the room then I think that’s a positive. Balance and chemistry are important, too.

If frost is out there too, scoring, the team is winning and everyone seems upbeat then I don’t think people think twice about ND being on the fourth line. I think a lot of feelings toward him trickle down from frost not playing, as if ND is taking someone’s spot. Different players.
- black_francis

would prefer frost to play, but agree, 4th line lw is not where he should be playing.

if anything, put frost back in, send Cam A to 4th line rw.

You pointed them out a post tort success stories. DuClaire in on his 6th team in 8 NHL seasons, if he was good, teams would keep him. He has 5 points in 14 games, yes the sharks suck, but still. He has only played 70+ games twice in a career. He is a mediocre player.

Dubois is a good player, he good under Torts and he is good now, He didn't suddenly explode in points after Torts.

People hate torts, i get it.
- WhiskeyMan

I just don’t think some of his coaching tactics yield only negative results which is what bill was inferring. But I agree it doesn’t work with everyone.

I'm amazed and bewildered that anyone who has played the game of hockey or has never played the game for that matter. Believes that a player who when he is on the ice, the opposition scores 71% of goals, has value to a team.
- MJL

Talk to the guys in the room and see what they say. They’re the ones playing the games, not us.

I’m amazed and bewildered that some joe somebodies on a message board think they can coach better than the 14th winningest coach in NHL history.

Crazy, right?

You pointed them out a post tort success stories. DuClaire in on his 6th team in 8 NHL seasons, if he was good, teams would keep him. He has 5 points in 14 games, yes the sharks suck, but still. He has only played 70+ games twice in a career. He is a mediocre player.

Dubois is a good player, he good under Torts and he is good now, He didn't suddenly explode in points after Torts.

People hate torts, i get it.
- WhiskeyMan

For Dubois his stats are similar to that in Columbus. I do wonder why he is on his 3rd team though (that young and talented, why). One stat that is not everything, but interesting. first two years in Columbus his plus minus was the best of his career so far.

I like Torts and thing he has his good qualities but the ego is to much. He was looking for a way to get Brink in, will he look for a way to get Frost in? Maybe Cates could benefit from watching. Funny, Torts said a few weeks back, I have to be careful how much I expect from Cates, next thing, welcome to the 4th line.

For the record I agree on Brink, he should stay with Farabee, I said recently said having Farabee (who is playing good) was wasted with Laughts and Ryan P. I do think Brink is a good fit.

Ryan P, happy for him, he is young, hope the game blows up his confidence. Bill is right, puck luck on all 3 points, but he has hustle. His hands are my issue, even on the goal he whiffed but he could be a different player now.

Islanders up next, should be a good test.

Is funny how Frost sits vs the easier teams.


Torts says he is icing the best team and that includes ND?
- wcorvette

There are things I do not like about Torts….the number one thing is some of personal decisions for the lineup. I’ve been a fan of Frost and think it’s a mistake. But I love that Foerster, Brink and Zamula all seem to look ready and are responding this year. I think Torts and his coaching staff deserve some credit.
I like that the team seems more cohesive and more engaged….I do think the subtraction of certain guys has helped. It’s a mixed bag, but I like the results I’m watching.

Sandstrom cleared waivers…not surprising.

There are things I do not like about Torts….the number one thing is some of personal decisions for the lineup. I’ve been a fan of Frost and think it’s a mistake. But I love that Foerster, Brink and Zamula all seem to look ready and are responding this year. I think Torts and his coaching staff deserve some credit.
I like that the team seems more cohesive and more engaged….I do think the subtraction of certain guys has helped. It’s a mixed bag, but I like the results I’m watching.
- landros 2

really don't disagree, it has worked out so far, it is the ego that scares me. He wins just enough to allow vets to block more kids, to not stay focused on 2-3 years from now. ND, Cam, even Laughton won't be a part of that. His decision to demote Cates and play Ryan P, while similar age still odd, and you took Cates who was on the upswing and sacked him with ND. Laughton really has not been good, faceoffs etc, he easily could be 4th and contribute more. Even Hath would be better if ND wasn't out there. Play the kids, if a vet is not going to be here in 2 years, that should part pf Torts decision. Cam should not get special treatment, this franchise can't afford those types of decision. All that said they are winning, let's see what happens when they are not. I am willing to give it some time, but man, that guys ego is huge.

Sandstrom cleared waivers…not surprising.
- landros 2

DB played that right, waited.

Has nothing to do with my "love" for any player. Has to do with what have been limitations he hasn't been able to overcome except for one magical season 19 years ago when Tampa was almost freakishly injury-free all season. When he's misjudged players, he's missed spectacularly (see Mats Zuccarello, who was about to go back to Europe before NY coaching changes to Vigneault turned his career, see William Karlsson, who was pegged as a 4th liner in Columbus and then scored 40 the next year in Vegas).

I never said he isn't a good coach. He is. But I wouldn't call him a great one or a HOF builder candidate. An innovator? No. A great teaching coach? Debatable. A great communicator?
- bmeltzer

100%

Talk to the guys in the room and see what they say. They’re the ones playing the games, not us.

I’m amazed and bewildered that some joe somebodies on a message board think they can coach better than the 14th winningest coach in NHL history.

Crazy, right?
- black_francis

the guys in the room know he is on his last legs. They will never bad mouth him or say rather have someone else in the lineup. Would bet my left nut in 100% private poll they want the best lineup.

also keep in mind ex selke also said it hurt when the flyers lost (something to that effect) thompson. they aint the brightest guys!!!

really don't disagree, it has worked out so far, it is the ego that scares me. He wins just enough to allow vets to block more kids, to not stay focused on 2-3 years from now. ND, Cam, even Laughton won't be a part of that. His decision to demote Cates and play Ryan P, while similar age still odd, and you took Cates who was on the upswing and sacked him with ND. Laughton really has not been good, faceoffs etc, he easily could be 4th and contribute more. Even Hath would be better if ND wasn't out there. Play the kids, if a vet is not going to be here in 2 years, that should part pf Torts decision. Cam should not get special treatment, this franchise can't afford those types of decision. All that said they are winning, let's see what happens when they are not. I am willing to give it some time, but man, that guys ego is huge.
- wcorvette

Agreed. When we start losing badly and players tune out the coach and it no longer works I’ll be right there with a lot of you.

But if we are winning and they are fun to watch and really playing a different tune this year - let’s enjoy the wins and see how it plays out. The daily moaning that the team is doing well but “not the way I would have done it” or “not with the guys I want doing it” is exhausting. We have kids in the lineup. There’s a modicum of competition - not a bad thing. We look ok. For now.

Sandstrom cleared waivers…not surprising.
- landros 2

imagine thinking they thought he would get claimed

DB played that right, waited.
- wcorvette

waited for what? he was never getting claimed.

really don't disagree, it has worked out so far, it is the ego that scares me. He wins just enough to allow vets to block more kids, to not stay focused on 2-3 years from now. ND, Cam, even Laughton won't be a part of that. His decision to demote Cates and play Ryan P, while similar age still odd, and you took Cates who was on the upswing and sacked him with ND. Laughton really has not been good, faceoffs etc, he easily could be 4th and contribute more. Even Hath would be better if ND wasn't out there. Play the kids, if a vet is not going to be here in 2 years, that should part pf Torts decision. Cam should not get special treatment, this franchise can't afford those types of decision. All that said they are winning, let's see what happens when they are not. I am willing to give it some time, but man, that guys ego is huge.
- wcorvette

Torts has talked about doing right by the team in his lineup decisions. It’s obvious the leash for Laughton and Atkinson is considerably longer, but as the team goes along here I would hope the young guys earn some leeway as well. That’s my biggest issue with the Frost situation. It does not appear, at least on the surface that Frost is getting a fair shake…there is no leash with Frost.

waited for what? he was never getting claimed.
- hello it's me 2050

True it only takes one team….but I agree….unless they knew for certain that a specific team was prepared to claim him early on in the season? But I didn’t see it.