Thank you Michael.
- ScotlandVonRickens

I think on a game-to-game it matters to players, or at the extreme at seasons end.. but I don't think they truly care about it. As for +/- and Selke voting... the writers vote on that, and generally they're much more nerdy than the players and coaches so I'm assuming they actually look at Corsi and PDO
- NewYorkNuck

Players won’t go into stat details on interviews. The general public wouldn’t know what they are saying anyway. I’m sure things get broken down for the players behind the scenes. On interviews they can keep it simple like that contributing to a goal is a plus and not able to prevent one is a minus. So if they are on for a lot against they won’t like it.

You obviously haven't ever heard Quinn Hughes talk about +/-, as he would bring it up regularly, when he was heavily in the minuses, or has a bad -4 game, he doesn't bring up useless stats like PDO.


Waits for lecture on how I don't understand numbers or the other go to, you have to read all the stats evaluate them as a group.
- Reubenkincade

Honestly, as long as they're (mostly) winning the vast majority of their games, who CARES what their stats are? This isn't baseball where it's a 1 on 1 matchup with pitcher vs batter. The +/- stat is just as subjective as the so-called advanced stats people parrot. You can still get a - even if you weren't involved in the play if you were changing but still on the ice when a goal is scored 5 on 5 or shorthanded while on the powerplay. Neither the advanced stats nor +/- ON THEIR OWN, are good indicators of how a player is doing, it's a team effort and if the team isn't playing well that's certainly going to be reflected on the stats sheet of players even IF they are individually playing well.

As for Pouty, he's going to get at least 12 mil, whether that's in Vancouver or somewhere else because he is just as good as MacKinnon and MacKinnon got 11.75 for 8 years. The Canucks will try to keep him at 10-11, but I doubt he signs for that, not to mention we aren't even including incentives or easily made season bonuses and cash up front they can use to keep the cap hit down while making his salary worth more than his yearly caphit.

Players won’t go into stat details on interviews. The general public wouldn’t know what they are saying anyway. I’m sure things get broken down for the players behind the scenes. On interviews they can keep it simple like that contributing to a goal is a plus and not able to prevent one is a minus. So if they are on for a lot against they won’t like it.
- Quinn's Quest

What?

What?
- Marwood

Wow you sure know how not to follow a conversation. Players talk about plus minus. Players may know about Corsi PDO etc but don’t get into it on interviews.

You obviously haven't ever heard Quinn Hughes talk about +/-, as he would bring it up regularly, when he was heavily in the minuses, or has a bad -4 game, he doesn't bring up useless stats like PDO.


Waits for lecture on how I don't understand numbers or the other go to, you have to read all the stats evaluate them as a group.
- Reubenkincade

Any player I like doesn’t like losing or getting scored upon. It’s pride & competitiveness at its highest. When they do all they can & leave it all out on the ice I’m satisfied. They get paid well & to make it to the NHL isn’t enough on its own. Winning is contagious & it’s never enough. Say no more…

Wow you sure know how not to follow a conversation. Players talk about plus minus. Players may know about Corsi PDO etc but don’t get into it on interviews.
- Quinn's Quest

Do you like musicals?

Ovechkin was horrified by his +/- a few seasons ago but ya, players don't care about it.
- Marwood

Like I said, at the extremes. If you're leading the league in the positive or negative, the player will know. I really don't think they care if they finish +5 or +15 on the year. The person in last place clearly cares

Especially when it's a stat that isn't always articulate of a player's contribution. They can step on the ice and immediately get a +/- without ever being involved in the play. Not the most reliable of stats that way.

Looks like GM Nighty was on a roll last night, he’s going to grind everyone to keep the cap under control.
Sorry but Peterson is getting 12 minimum, didn’t you read my 10 bold predictions for the Canucks?
- K-man25

He might & I repeat get 12m but it’ll be for 8yrs. I’m thinking term will be grinded out. Yes I’d grind all new contracts like any good GM does. No team wins handing out big contracts is a recipe for success. Get paid big when do big. Not just points. That’s a fans silly notion to pay forward & ignore all sensibility.

Like I said, at the extremes. If you're leading the league in the positive or negative, the player will know. I really don't think they care if they finish +5 or +15 on the year. The person in last place clearly cares

Especially when it's a stat that isn't always articulate of a player's contribution. They can step on the ice and immediately get a +/- without ever being involved in the play. Not the most reliable of stats that way.
- NewYorkNuck

Yeah it’s the green jacket thing. Don’t look like a liability.

Like I said, at the extremes. If you're leading the league in the positive or negative, the player will know. I really don't think they care if they finish +5 or +15 on the year. The person in last place clearly cares

Especially when it's a stat that isn't always articulate of a player's contribution. They can step on the ice and immediately get a +/- without ever being involved in the play. Not the most reliable of stats that way.
- NewYorkNuck

So analytics ignores a lousy line change & not in the play?

Like I said, at the extremes. If you're leading the league in the positive or negative, the player will know. I really don't think they care if they finish +5 or +15 on the year. The person in last place clearly cares

Especially when it's a stat that isn't always articulate of a player's contribution. They can step on the ice and immediately get a +/- without ever being involved in the play. Not the most reliable of stats that way.
- NewYorkNuck

Every stat has holes in it, it is like hits, as an example, someone can barely bump a player and get credit for a hit, yet someone else can make 3 hits in a shift and only get credit for 1 hit. It basically boils down to who and how numbers for said stat are being inputted.

You can bet Millers rough start & horrible +/- to start last season wasn’t ignored in here or by the media. Throw out irrelevant stat cuz the optics & crap team start had everyone female doging & whining & crying.

1 game at a time…

Michael DeRosa: Canucks Looking to End Losing Streak vs. Sharks
- Michael DeRosa

Thank you Michael, good to see the victory last night, it will be interesting to see how the team plays against the Avalanche on Wednesday.

There sure is a lot of team/player criticism in the blog which I find surprising, it's like the Canucks have been one of the best teams for years and everyone now expects perfection.

That is a heck of a lot of money for a middle 6 player.
- Reubenkincade

comedic gold Reuby.

Deflect away..
I missed nothing other than you beating around the bush.

How much how long? Back it up
- Nighthawk

10.5 for 3 years.

EP turned 25 a week ago. Way more upside... not that I want to pay anyone $12m... but if you are comparing these two... Miller is a really late bloomer... and on the downside of his career turning 31 soon.

Petey is not playing very good the last few games. It's sad to see people desperately try to measure him on these games... especially when we know he's been playing banged up according to RT.
- boonerbuck

Ya not seeing this supposed decline in Millers game, quite the opposite. I’ve been measuring Pouty all season not just the last few games. He is so talented that he produces at an elite rate despite not playing well. I’m not comfortable committing a big long term deal to him and again I’m very sorry this upsets you.

Blueger had 7 shots on goal tonight. Too bad he has cement hands.
- Load Management

Where the (frank) is Suter? They could certainly use him now

Where the (frank) is Suter? They could certainly use him now
- CanuckDon

Injured I believe

Injured I believe
- Retinalz

Oh the classic day to day 4 week injury 😵‍💫

Honestly, as long as they're (mostly) winning the vast majority of their games, who CARES what their stats are? This isn't baseball where it's a 1 on 1 matchup with pitcher vs batter. The +/- stat is just as subjective as the so-called advanced stats people parrot. You can still get a - even if you weren't involved in the play if you were changing but still on the ice when a goal is scored 5 on 5 or shorthanded while on the powerplay. Neither the advanced stats nor +/- ON THEIR OWN, are good indicators of how a player is doing, it's a team effort and if the team isn't playing well that's certainly going to be reflected on the stats sheet of players even IF they are individually playing well.

As for Pouty, he's going to get at least 12 mil, whether that's in Vancouver or somewhere else because he is just as good as MacKinnon and MacKinnon got 11.75 for 8 years. The Canucks will try to keep him at 10-11, but I doubt he signs for that, not to mention we aren't even including incentives or easily made season bonuses and cash up front they can use to keep the cap hit down while making his salary worth more than his yearly caphit.
- DariusKnight

I will take MacKinnon over pouty any day, This season, he had 10 good games before the wheels fell off. Now that he has slipped down to 3rd in team scoring, it is probably a matter of days before he asks for a trade which is great because there are guys out there who overvalue him, will give up too much, and this team will be much better without their false God

So analytics ignores a lousy line change & not in the play?
- Nighthawk

Every stat has holes in it, it is like hits, as an example, someone can barely bump a player and get credit for a hit, yet someone else can make 3 hits in a shift and only get credit for 1 hit. It basically boils down to who and how numbers for said stat are being inputted.
- Reubenkincade

Ya of course. That's why they're a tool, not an end all be all.

Some stats are more subjective than others. Hits vs goals, for example.

I will take MacKinnon over pouty any day, This season, he had 10 good games before the wheels fell off. Now that he has slipped down to 3rd in team scoring, it is probably a matter of days before he asks for a trade which is great because there are guys out there who overvalue him, will give up too much, and this team will be much better without their false God
- sxqhfeh

We get it, your another Pettersson hater that has absolutely no knowledge of a players skill or talent, " a matter of days"

You might want to stick to the Leafs blog, pretty poor troll attempt.