Dude relax. He didn't even stay in front to set a screen, just passed by and obstructed his vision a bit, but not enough. That's a glove save if he had his glove on.

Actually did that at least another time this game, so I don't think I need to hear how Carter is a net front guy anymore.

There's a difference between going to the net and setting a screen. Pens got guys who do the former, but nobody wants to do the latter.
- Tojo.

hahah might be Grinders alt account....

Nah. If we had a league average pp, we’d be 2nd or 3rd in the metro.
- 10inchTerror

If I'd have invested in Apple I'd be a millionaire many times over. Yet, here we are.

Cooked?

I dont see it that way at all. Most nights they are the better team 5 on 5. PP, or Jarry, has killed them a lot of those same nights when there's a loss. Its still November and I think the PP can be improved.

Rangers have been one of the best and hottest teams so far....they won 1-0, Pens went 0-5 on PP. Pens beat the 1st overall (at that time) in the league team the game before, shut them out 3-0.

That comment makes it seem like you're not actually watching the games.
- MattStrat

I watched Sullivan storm into the dressing room after the second period. I never felt the Pens were the better team last night. I don't think Sullivan did either. Jarry keep this a 1-0 game.

Crosby, Rust and Letang are keeping this team from being a cellar dweller. This team is slow, lazy and/or out of shape. That's mostly on Sullivan.

LaFreniere has average speed, according to NHL Edge. Graves isn't fast but he got torched. Nobody else was even in the picture on his 'breakaway.'

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I'll give you this, I won't say anything bad for three weeks. I do think, if this team has any aspirations of being a buyer in February, they need to play well here.

Dude relax. He didn't even stay in front to set a screen, just passed by and obstructed his vision a bit, but not enough.
- Tojo.

First, not a dude, Spanky.
Second, I am relaxed.
And, third… when you are between the goalie and the puck shooter you are screening a goalie. Even your significant other knows that.

All I’ve posted is out of the available options ON THE ROSTER he isn’t even being tried. This is very close to being the most pathetic power play since 1967.

I watched Sullivan storm into the dressing room after the second period. I never felt the Pens were the better team last night. I don't think Sullivan did either. Jarry keep this a 1-0 game.

Crosby, Rust and Letang are keeping this team from being a cellar dweller. This team is slow, lazy and/or out of shape. That's mostly on Sullivan.

LaFreniere has average speed, according to NHL Edge. Graves isn't fast but he got torched. Nobody else was even in the picture on his 'breakaway.'

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I'll give you this, I won't say anything bad for three weeks. I do think, if this team has any aspirations of being a buyer in February, they need to play well here.
- Thunderbolt

Did I say they were the better team last night? I think the Rangers mostly were the first half of the game, kinda even for parts of the 2nd. Pens definitely were the better team the 3rd period.

I watched Sully exit after the 1st, 2nd and 3rd periods...not once did it look like "storming into dressing room" to me. He did look a bit irritated a few times though, no doubt. Not scoring on many chances and PP's can probably have that effect.

Crosby, Rust and Letang.....you left out a few names, there hahah but speaking of Rust, he didnt play last night.

Here's the current power rankings based on many, many factors other than your emotions...Pens are playing very good hockey most games, man. The L's have mostly came from a stagnant PP and/or a bad Jarry night. PP cant really get worse, so I expect it to get better, even if marginally.

https://moneypuck.com/power.htm

I do find it funny that they have the Pens chances of cup at 4.6% and the Rangers at 3.1%.

Now before you give a knee jerk comment about those power rankings please read, and comprehend, how this is all calculated.

https://moneypuck.com/about.htm

First, not a dude, Spanky.
Second, I am relaxed.
And, third… when you are between the goalie and the puck shooter you are screening a goalie. Even your significant other knows that.

All I’ve posted is out of the available options ON THE ROSTER he isn’t even being tried. This is very close to being the most pathetic power play since 1967.
- sufi-judge

You, lady, have a crush on Carter. It all makes sense now.

First, not a dude, Spanky.
Second, I am relaxed.
And, third… when you are between the goalie and the puck shooter you are screening a goalie. Even your significant other knows that.

All I’ve posted is out of the available options ON THE ROSTER he isn’t even being tried. This is very close to being the most pathetic power play since 1967.
- sufi-judge

Nah, he passed by but ended up off to the side, not between the shooter and the goalie. If that's the proof Carter is a good net front presence it fails.

I'll agree the PP could use a net front guy over the garbage they try now. I'd try Z or even DOC over Carter of the options on the roster though.

Nah, he passed by but ended up off to the side, not between the shooter and the goalie. If that's the proof Carter is a good net front presence it fails.

I'll agree the PP could use a net front guy over the garbage they try now. I'd try Z or even DOC over Carter of the options on the roster though.
- Tojo.

I agree. I think the players know the PP is a real issue too. So, why not make 2 more balanced units, mix up the personnel, and give them close to equal time and see if something clicks. Just like Letang accepting a more defensive role this season, I think all players involved would understand. You never know what you might get out of it unless you try it....try something new haha

If I'd have invested in Apple I'd be a millionaire many times over. Yet, here we are.
- Thunderbolt

Point was the team isn’t trash, and is actually quite good at 5v5

hahah might be Grinders alt account....
- MattStrat

Mrs grinder

First, not a dude, Spanky.
Second, I am relaxed.
And, third… when you are between the goalie and the puck shooter you are screening a goalie. Even your significant other knows that.

All I’ve posted is out of the available options ON THE ROSTER he isn’t even being tried. This is very close to being the most pathetic power play since 1967.
- sufi-judge

While the Pens PP is terrible, it's not historically bad, and not even close to the worst so far this year. The Caps have only 3 PP goals so far and are converting at less than half the rate of the Penguins.

The worst PP conversion rate in a full 82-game season was 9.3% by TB in 97-98. The Pens this year are at 13.7%, whereas the Caps are at 6.7% and the Blues 7.3%. It will be interesting to see if either of those teams makes a run at the all-time worst conversion rate.

Do the Pens need a better net-front presence? Obviously they do. The problem with trying Carter there is that he's a totally useless on zone entry and in puck battles. It'd only possibly make sense when they have an O-zone faceoff, but even then if they lose possession it's like they're playing 4-on-4 with him out there.

Dubas just needs to trade all our useless and injured players for somebody who can fill that role.

Did I say they were the better team last night? I think the Rangers mostly were the first half of the game, kinda even for parts of the 2nd. Pens definitely were the better team the 3rd period.

I watched Sully exit after the 1st, 2nd and 3rd periods...not once did it look like "storming into dressing room" to me. He did look a bit irritated a few times though, no doubt. Not scoring on many chances and PP's can probably have that effect.

Crosby, Rust and Letang.....you left out a few names, there hahah but speaking of Rust, he didnt play last night.

Here's the current power rankings based on many, many factors other than your emotions...Pens are playing very good hockey most games, man. The L's have mostly came from a stagnant PP and/or a bad Jarry night. PP cant really get worse, so I expect it to get better, even if marginally.

https://moneypuck.com/power.htm

I do find it funny that they have the Pens chances of cup at 4.6% and the Rangers at 3.1%.

Now before you give a knee jerk comment about those power rankings please read, and comprehend, how this is all calculated.

https://moneypuck.com/about.htm
- MattStrat

Interesting. The model uses log loss metrics. I read the calculations for this metric. Random guessing gets you a .6931 result. Money puck gets you a .656 result, a tick over 5%. Basically, getting you even with betting sites. More importantly, here it is called an educated guess. Which is better than WAGging it.

Edit: By comparison, home teams win 54% of their games.

Sully reading this forum. At practice today:

PP1: top line + EK + Z net front
PP2: 2nd line + Letang + Carter net front

Mrs grinder
- 10inchTerror

Could be a tranny....careful.

Sully reading this forum. At practice today:

PP1: top line + EK + Z net front
PP2: 2nd line + Letang + Carter net front
- MickV

Looks like Vinnie slotting in for Rusty.

Sully reading this forum. At practice today:

PP1: top line + EK + Z net front
PP2: 2nd line + Letang + Carter net front
- MickV

Malkin off the top PP? Doubt that lasts a game even though he's having a rough stretch with turnovers.

But I'm for trying Z over Smith

Sully reading this forum. At practice today:

PP1: top line + EK + Z net front
PP2: 2nd line + Letang + Carter net front
- MickV

One of my many good ideas haha

I do like that silly is actually using Sid and Geno together as well as Letang and ek together here and there.

Interesting. The model uses log loss metrics. I read the calculations for this metric. Random guessing gets you a .6931 result. Money puck gets you a .656 result, a tick over 5%. Basically, getting you even with betting sites. More importantly, here it is called an educated guess. Which is better than WAGging it.

Edit: By comparison, home teams win 54% of their games.
- Thunderbolt

hahaha a lot of that sounds made up, man. Those power rankings aren't about predicting wins/losses. They're about actual play on the ice up to today. There's no guarantees in sports and in the NHL any team can be any other team any given night. Looking at cup chances in November is a bit dumb, you want to take a look at them the end of March or April. These models come close a lot, but not always of course...too much random variance in hockey....but sometimes completely nail cup winners...

https://twitter.com/Money...14136569188368384/photo/1

This is all coming from you saying they looked cooked and pretty much everyone knew/knows it...when that's not the reality of it at all, not about what's happening on the ice, or what anyone thinks haha. It was a bad take.

Mrs grinder
- 10inchTerror

hahaha

What do you guys think of Ovi's recent interview with The Atlantic where he is quoted as saying he and Sid saved the NHL?

Personally, I think "saved" is a bit too extreme. However, there's no denying (IMO) they really elevated it.

hahaha a lot of that sounds made up, man. Those power rankings aren't about predicting wins/losses. They're about actual play on the ice up to today. There's no guarantees in sports and in the NHL any team can be any other team any given night. Looking at cup chances in November is a bit dumb, you want to take a look at them the end of March or April. These models come close a lot, but not always of course...too much random variance in hockey....but sometimes completely nail cup winners...

https://twitter.com/Money...14136569188368384/photo/1

This is all coming from you saying they looked cooked and pretty much everyone knew/knows it...when that's not the reality of it at all, not about what's happening on the ice, or what anyone thinks haha. It was a bad take.
- MattStrat

Everything I posted came from your article, either directly or indirectly. Moneypuck is a site dedicated to beat bookmakers, nothing more, nothing less. As I was reading your article I came upon the section “So does the model actually work?” This is where I found the term log loss. Having no mathematical education above high school I had no idea what that meant, So I clicked onto the corresponding site and it explained it in great detail. If you read that article, you will see I didn’t fabricate anything. You may find it interesting, I did.

Tonight the Pens play Buffallo. The Pens have a 55% chance to win. If my math is correct, you need odds better than -120 to make this a good bet.

Remember the old joke. What is Vegas’ response to ‘I have a system?’ Have a seat right here, young fellow.

What do you guys think of Ovi's recent interview with The Atlantic where he is quoted as saying he and Sid saved the NHL?

Personally, I think "saved" is a bit too extreme. However, there's no denying (IMO) they really elevated it.
- MattStrat

The Biggest difference between Sid and Ovi vs say Mcdavid and Mathews is they played against each other a lot. That and I don’t ever see Mcdavid and Mathews “getting into it” like Ovi, Sid and Geno would. The later 3 were still brought up in a hockey culture that praised semi violent play, which makes any sort of rivalry a lot more real and entertaining. Plus having players like Kunitz, and all the bruisers the caps have had made it a lot more exciting. It was a grudge match with a lot of high skill. You’re not going to see that anymore.

Nah, he passed by but ended up off to the side, not between the shooter and the goalie. If that's the proof Carter is a good net front presence it fails.

I'll agree the PP could use a net front guy over the garbage they try now. I'd try Z or even DOC over Carter of the options on the roster though.
- Tojo.

Anything to keep the well rested 6’5 guy with 430 nhl goals and 20 years of NHL PP experience away from the net. Let’s try DOC a guy with 7 NHL goals and zero goal scoring sense in front. That should for sure help.

The pens need to regroup on the power play as a 5 man unit then have a forward skate the puck past the red line and drop it back to EK or Letang to enter the zone. Every team does it and it works.

I still say the Pens are cooked. The only reason I didn't take the under for total points is because I won't bet against Penguins. Bet Rivers had this prop at 97.5.

From here on out nothing but black and gold glasses on this dude.