It’s a 12 paragraph tirade on why he thinks Frost should play and why Torts is the devil 😂

I’m sure coaches with 1300 games under their belt love taking constructive criticism from writers who have played ball hockey.
- black_francis

Do you need a tissue? Maybe a shoulder to cry on?

aol.com, funny... be fun, he says he answers all of them, not sure DB does.
- wcorvette

The email address is just a joke. I made it up. Please don’t send emails to it.

No, it's either either deliberate pig-headedness or a severe lack of reading comprehension and understanding of nuance. And I have no time or patience to suffer fools. You are a fool.
- bmeltzer

BOOM!!! Truth bomb!

The email address is just a joke. I made it up. Please don’t send emails to it.
- Dkos

Oops

BOOM!!! Truth bomb!
- Letterkenney

Tons of documentation to support that!

Tons of documentation to support that!
- MJL

Like every post he's ever made???

Oops
- bird_dog_pa

Somebodies grandma is wondering why she’s getting all these nasty emails about Frost.

Like every post he's ever made???
- Letterkenney

Exactly.

All very well said. Overall, this coach is a major issue. The Flyers aren't rebuilding. No matter how many times they say they are. Actions speak louder.

As far as Staal coming back in for Belpedio. I have no issue with that. Belpedio was not part of the roster until injury and was a call up. If Staal is ready to play, he should go in for Belpedio. Shouldn't lose your spot due to injury.
- MJL

Tell that to Wally Pipp. 🙄

The email address is just a joke. I made it up. Please don’t send emails to it.
- Dkos

to late

listening to the Ramones live at the Rainbow 1977. Just a flat out great live band.

Criticizing Torts for his hypocritical lineup decisions is absolutely spot on. The winning streak is fun, but let’s not kid ourselves, this is not a Cup contending team. And, barring a ton of luck, it’s not a playoff team. All Torts is going to accomplish with his actions is to screw Frost, and not allow Zamula to play every day which he needs to be doing right now. This team is going to probably finish in the 85-89 point range and up with a 1st round pick somewhere between 9-14.

Tort’s is also stubborn to point of being a detriment to the team and the players. His overuse of Foerster, his unwillingness to move Cates to wing even though his skill set screams winger and his not replacing the ineffective Thompson as pp coach are prime examples of this.

I look forward to hearing Tort’s sycophants defend him when the Flyers finish 6th in the Metro with 88 points and are awarded the 13th overall pick. The sooner Torts is put out to pasture with his horses, the better.

All coaches talk out of both sides of their mouths sometimes, Tortorella more than most.

Example: I can't even tell you how many times Torts has said, "I'm a big believer that you play like you practice."

On Friday, we asked Torts about what Brink (about to be scratched for the third straight time) could do in practice to get himself back in the lineup. The very same coach responded with, "I don't evaluate anyone based on practice. I go by games. Everyone nowadays practices well."

Which is it? Is practice a vital part of determining who should play or sit because it predicts game performance? Or is it largely irrelevant? It can't be both. And if it's irrelevant, why are the scratches basically obligated to take daily extra skating before/after practice?

When asked what Frost can do to STAY in the lineup, Tortorella has repeatedly said, if he's going to play, it has to be in the top six and, to do that, we need offense from him (note: he's been barely getting much more than fourth line ice time even in Carolina, where he was playing well and had a nice touch-pass assist). Then, after having a single bad game and also not recording a point after four points in the previous three games, the same coach who said it wasn't fair to change the lineup while on a winning streak, does just that.

Last year, around this time -- while he was buying Frost on the fourth line for nearly a month, Tortorella was saying "He's not scoring. I don't want to hear about chances. He's not producing." (Funny, though, that he often mentions all of Foerster's scoring chances and cited scoring chances with Poeling on the ice in the LA game and ignored that the Flyers got doubled up on chances by LA over those same shifts).

Tortorella also said of Frost last year about this time -- contradicting something Rocky Thompson said in saying Frost was playing decent defense but needed to use his feet more offensively -- "If you're not scoring, give me something defensively. He's not do that, either."

Tortorella came around on Frost defensively by the end of last year although still questioning him offensively (even as he led the team in scoring over the final 2/3 of last year and then led the team in preseason scoring this year). I've said this before and will repeat it. Frost had a bad game overall against Vegas. BUT he did chip in four blocked shots -- something Torts gushes over endlessly for his golden boy players he'd sooner cut off his right hand over rather than scratch for any reason.

For Frost? No. After four points in three games and then four blocked shots in the next game, right back to the scratch list he goes. There is ZERO reason why Frost and Brink cannot both be in the lineup at the same time except that Torts has fallen in love with the idea that Ryan Poeling is a bonafide top nine player (relegating Noah Cates to the fourth line, while the coach utters words about trying to get him going again offensively -- with all due respect, that isn't going to happen with Deslauriers and Hathaway as his linemates).

I'm very happy the Flyers are winning -- it's fun to come to the rink when you're winning. There's not a forward that I individually dislike or would argue isn't a legitimate NHL player. i'll also give Tortorella credit for this: He seems to push the right buttons more often than the wrong ones in the context of a given night.

In the big picture, though, this is supposed to be year two of a rebuild. It's supposed to be a year where the rookies and under-25 player who took steps last year are put in position to take a bigger bite of the apple. Is that's what's happening with Frost scratched half the damn season, with Brink sitting for three, with Zamula still on the NHL roster mostly because he's waiver-eligible, with Cates related for five games now to the fourth line center spot because the coach won't consider even a temporary move back to a wing? With Foerster, a player with legit scoring upside, playing like a nice fourth-liner but also producing like one while on Line 1 and PP1, and the coach just fine and dandy with it?

Hell, Torts says over and over, "This is a young blueline." Is it? Because, when Ristolainen comes back within the next few days, Zamula likely sits again. That makes Cam York the ONLY D who could be classified as a young NHLer. The rest are either in their primes (mid-to-late 20s) or in their 30s (Seeler is 30, Staal is 36). It's actually a VETERAN blueline.

But, again, short-term picture of the 2023-24 season entering Nov. 22: there's plenty to be happy about. Playing from ahead. Playing faster. Forecheck looks improved. Transition game is better. No one in the locker room points fingers at others. Everyone is blocking shots, as asked. The goalie play has been great. The heavy emphasis on training camp conditioning skates has paid dividends so far. Those are positives.
- bmeltzer

Epic, epic post Bill.



It's just Torts being Torts. He either stonewalls or he bullpoops. Either way he simple doesn't feel like he owes anybody (especially the media) a legit explanation. As somebody else has said... it's not sustainable long term to BS your own players and hold double standards. Benching kids during a rebuild certainly isn't conducive to the Flyers' long term goal of building a team with a long window.

The email address is just a joke. I made it up. Please don’t send emails to it.
- Dkos

Haha .. I was under the assumption that everyone knew that... I hope that the poor gram gram who operates a dog kennel somewhere isn't too confused by the emails to someone named Torts!

Epic, epic post Bill.



It's just Torts being Torts. He either stonewalls or he bullpoops. Either way he simple doesn't feel like he owes anybody (especially the media) a legit explanation. As somebody else has said... it's not sustainable long term to BS your own players and hold double standards. Benching kids during a rebuild certainly isn't conducive to the Flyers' long term goal of building a team with a long window.
- Tomahawk

C'mon now, aren't you having more fun?


FYI, there is no rebuild. Their focus is on winning. Mixing in a few kids as long as it doesn't impede winning in their eyes.

Got a laugh out of this story.

https://canoe.com/sports/...64-4cbf-9dc1-7fda5ed7c709


No love lost there.

Criticizing Torts for his hypocritical lineup decisions is absolutely spot on. The winning streak is fun, but let’s not kid ourselves, this is not a Cup contending team. And, barring a ton of luck, it’s not a playoff team. All Torts is going to accomplish with his actions is to screw Frost, and not allow Zamula to play every day which he needs to be doing right now. This team is going to probably finish in the 85-89 point range and up with a 1st round pick somewhere between 9-14.

Tort’s is also stubborn to point of being a detriment to the team and the players. His overuse of Foerster, his unwillingness to move Cates to wing even though his skill set screams winger and his not replacing the ineffective Thompson as pp coach are prime examples of this.

I look forward to hearing Tort’s sycophants defend him when the Flyers finish 6th in the Metro with 88 points and are awarded the 13th overall pick. The sooner Torts is put out to pasture with his horses, the better.
- BiggE

If they make the playoffs with this team, Torts deserved coach of year.

Why do you keep coming here?
- Letterkenney

so he can report to daddy the feelings of the fan base?

Bill, the Morgan Frost situation is a polarizing one for sure. For example, just today Russ Cohen agrees with you and mentioned that Frost is being held to a different standard than the rest of the players. While Jason Myrtetus today read a DM from a 20 year head coach who stated he thought Frost was just invisible far too often, and Jason agreed with him, as do I. Where I differ from you is I believe the Flyers can still be rebuilding and also sit Morgan Frost if Torts thinks he has better options available to him. I personally would want Frost in the lineup so he can be traded and sitting obviously hurts his trade value, because in the end I don't believe Frost is part of the future of this team.

Bill, the Morgan Frost situation is a polarizing one for sure. For example, just today Russ Cohen agrees with you and mentioned that Frost is being held to a different standard than the rest of the players. While Jason Myrtetus today read a DM from a 20 year head coach who stated he thought Frost was just invisible far too often, and Jason agreed with him, as do I. Where I differ from you is I believe the Flyers can still be rebuilding and also sit Morgan Frost if Torts thinks he has better options available to him. I personally would want Frost in the lineup so he can be traded and sitting obviously hurts his trade value, because in the end I don't believe Frost is part of the future of this team.
- jd250

Actually, Jason generally agrees with me regarding Frost. We speak 4-5 times a week in addition to recording the Mondays with Meltzer edition of the podcast.

so he can report to daddy the feelings of the fan base?
- corduroy

listening to the Ramones live at the Rainbow 1977. Just a flat out great live band.
- hello it's me 2050

I personally have never been able to get into the Ramones - Lord knows I have given them numerous listens over the decades

Bill, the Morgan Frost situation is a polarizing one for sure. For example, just today Russ Cohen agrees with you and mentioned that Frost is being held to a different standard than the rest of the players. While Jason Myrtetus today read a DM from a 20 year head coach who stated he thought Frost was just invisible far too often, and Jason agreed with him, as do I. Where I differ from you is I believe the Flyers can still be rebuilding and also sit Morgan Frost if Torts thinks he has better options available to him. I personally would want Frost in the lineup so he can be traded and sitting obviously hurts his trade value, because in the end I don't believe Frost is part of the future of this team.
- jd250

Are the other players invisible at times or just frost? Cates has been horrible, Laughton an extremely sub par season, Tippett started incredibly slow, so you think all these players have clearly been better than frost?

Actually, Jason generally agrees with me regarding Frost. We speak 4-5 times a week in addition to recording the Mondays with Meltzer edition of the podcast.
- bmeltzer

Lol classic . But the 20 year head coach sent a DM 😂

Bill, the Morgan Frost situation is a polarizing one for sure. For example, just today Russ Cohen agrees with you and mentioned that Frost is being held to a different standard than the rest of the players. While Jason Myrtetus today read a DM from a 20 year head coach who stated he thought Frost was just invisible far too often, and Jason agreed with him, as do I. Where I differ from you is I believe the Flyers can still be rebuilding and also sit Morgan Frost if Torts thinks he has better options available to him. I personally would want Frost in the lineup so he can be traded and sitting obviously hurts his trade value, because in the end I don't believe Frost is part of the future of this team.
- jd250

he doesn't have better options.

How invisible are other players?

Just trade him and get rid of the "distraction".