His job is to put the team in the best position to win.
- WhiskeyMan

Then he should be fired not doing his job.

sitting a guy so we can finish 20th instead of 22nd at the expense of a young player getting reps, great philosophy they have going.
- ClaudeFather

They have to decide what winning actually is. As a fan, I have to decide what winning looks like and what I will approve of. Getting to the level of a playoff bubble team with no realistic chance at legitimately contending is not the level of winning that I'm interested in.

Disagree, on a rebuilding team, part of his job is or at least should be developing players for the future. That should be the priority of this team. Again, does what you claim his job to be, does it apply to all the players on the team, or just certain ones?
- MJL

It applies to rookies and vets whos play is hurting the team. The only players who wont be sat down are the super starts or the players making the big $$.

rebuild or not, the coach's job is to put the team in the best position to win. Its not like Zamula will be in the press box for the rest of the season. He will get the coaching he needs at practice.

The team will not intentionally tank or do something to hurt the teams chances.

This is not your typical rebuild. People have to get that through their heads. If it was, BD would have traded more vets away.

It applies to rookies and vets whos play is hurting the team. The only players who wont be sat down are the super starts or the players making the big $$.
- WhiskeyMan

Torts hasn't healthy scratched Deslauriers once since they joined the team together. He's been outscored 37 to 20 at ES. How does icing a goon every game get the team in the best position to win?

This is not your typical rebuild. People have to get that through their heads. If it was, BD would have traded more vets away.
- WhiskeyMan

In other words, it's just the same haphazard retooling that we saw under Hexy, Chuck and Homer.

Great.

I wonder if they will call up a 13th forward. Allison maybe?

I dont want them calling up someone just so he sits in the Cote suite for 6 weeks.
- MBFlyerfan

A lot of mixed feelings about the overall direction of this team. I don’t feel like Foerster ever should have made the team. Regardless of how anyone feels about the fourth line, if Foerster gets sent down after having an average camp and flat out getting beat by Brink for a spot, you don’t question much of the roster decisions from game 1 to now. Brink and Frost should be playing every night and somehow the road block is a none scoring Tyson Foerster? You might even argue Allison had a better camp with less usage.

Further proof that maybe he is not the right coach for a team that publicly came out as rebuilding.

Bill, what is the timeline for Torts here? He obviously has a pretty long leash as the org has come out in favor of a rebuild so extending losing streaks/not making the playoffs are to be expected. But he also does not seem willing to scratch certain players or develop other younger ones at least in the conventional sense. Does Briere even have power to fire him and would he even want to? Torts was hired first in the triumvirate. Do you expect him to stick it out for 2 more years past this one and then get an advisory role as well as handpicking his successor?

It just seems unprecedented that an NHL head coach has been given this sort of power and drive over an entire hockey team. So much so that the GM's only moves so far were to trade out guys who did not get along with him and bring in guys who would (Staal, Hathaway). I know it's apples to oranges, but this feels like it could go the way of the Chip Kelly fiasco.
- TobyFlenderson

"Culture will beat scheme every day." - Chip Kelly

It applies to rookies and vets whos play is hurting the team. The only players who wont be sat down are the super starts or the players making the big $$.

rebuild or not, the coach's job is to put the team in the best position to win. Its not like Zamula will be in the press box for the rest of the season. He will get the coaching he needs at practice.

The team will not intentionally tank or do something to hurt the teams chances.

This is not your typical rebuild. People have to get that through their heads. If it was, BD would have traded more vets away.
- WhiskeyMan

No it doesn't. Simply because the facts show that Tortorella continues to play and is married to players who hurt the team. Is scratching players who are helping the team. If Tortorella was truly coaching to win, Frost and Zamula would stay in the lineup.

Not your typical rebuild? Seriously? It's not a rebuild at all! LOL. They are prioritizing winning and the statements of the coach and the front office confirm that. The issue is that Tortorella doesn't know how to win or how to coach to win.

Wow, this Corey Perry stuff is going off the rails. They are saying moms were involved......

Yikes

Hi Bill, any idea who will replace Cates' spot in the starting lineup tonight ?

Hoping Bobby Brink gets a more consistent chance to play while they are a player down...
- BluehorseShoe64

Brink will be back in the lineup on RW with Farabee on LW and Poehling at center.

Wow, this Corey Perry stuff is going off the rails. They are saying moms were involved......

Yikes
- MBFlyerfan

Anyone reliable? Feel like that started as a joke and has gained steam

They have to decide what winning actually is. As a fan, I have to decide what winning looks like and what I will approve of. Getting to the level of a playoff bubble team with no realistic chance at legitimately contending is not the level of winning that I'm interested in.
- MJL

Winning fills seats, losing does not. What do you want them to do, stop scoring, stop playing D, put an ECHL goalie in net?

Players and coaches will do their best to win win games.

DO think they care about pissing off some fans because the rebuild is not going the way the fans want?

Go be a Chicago fan, they are rebuilding the way you want a team to rebuild.

Anyone reliable? Feel like that started as a joke and has gained steam
- ClaudeFather

I thought it was just Bedards mom!

I thought it was just Bedards mom!
- WhiskeyMan

Lol

His job is to put the team in the best position to win. He has sat TK, Hayes, Brink, Sanheim and Frost, I am sure I am missing some names. This isn't the ahl, it is the nhl.
- WhiskeyMan

The overriding job of the organization is to win a Stanley Cup, at least it should be. If the coach has no patience to develop young players especially defensemen the organization will be stuck overpaying past their prime vets just to squeak into a wild card position. Short sighted point grabbing when the team does not have neither a #1 center nor a #1 defenseman in the system is a recipe for the continued mediocrity this organization has been stuck in since the advent of the salary cap.

A lot of mixed feelings about the overall direction of this team. I don’t feel like Foerster ever should have made the team.
- roenick97

Foerster is producing like Nodl did, and Nodl didn't get top line usage.

Anyone reliable? Feel like that started as a joke and has gained steam
- ClaudeFather

No, just a lot of noise. Basically all the worst things about the internet in one story.

Brink will be back in the lineup on RW with Farabee on LW and Poehling at center.
- bmeltzer

It's odd that the Flyers best left wing is stuck on the 3rd line.

Winning fills seats, losing does not. What do you want them to do, stop scoring, stop playing D, put an ECHL goalie in net?

Players and coaches will do their best to win win games.

DO think they care about pissing off some fans because the rebuild is not going the way the fans want?

Go be a Chicago fan, they are rebuilding the way you want a team to rebuild.
- WhiskeyMan

I want them to play all young developing players who are NHL ready over older players who have no future with the team. If you know anything about me, which you don't. I'm against tanking. You don't have the facts and are posting from a position of being uninformed.

Further proof that maybe he is not the right coach for a team that publicly came out as rebuilding.

Bill, what is the timeline for Torts here? He obviously has a pretty long leash as the org has come out in favor of a rebuild so extending losing streaks/not making the playoffs are to be expected. But he also does not seem willing to scratch certain players or develop other younger ones at least in the conventional sense. Does Briere even have power to fire him and would he even want to? Torts was hired first in the triumvirate. Do you expect him to stick it out for 2 more years past this one and then get an advisory role as well as handpicking his successor?

It just seems unprecedented that an NHL head coach has been given this sort of power and drive over an entire hockey team. So much so that the GM's only moves so far were to trade out guys who did not get along with him and bring in guys who would (Staal, Hathaway). I know it's apples to oranges, but this feels like it could go the way of the Chip Kelly fiasco.
- TobyFlenderson

I'm curious as to why there is so much backlash against Tortorella. I do read the issues people bring up, but has anyone forgotten that this organization was in total chaos with back-to-back coaches from 2019-2021 ? Why are we assuming they would have found someone else to move things forward ? (just because we are seeing some traction now...) That traction is because of THIS coach. I coached travel baseball where it was MANDATORY to win. It is the same way in professional sports. Why would we take the players off the hook and not expect to play to win just because "we are developing" ??? I watched this for years in my son's travel leagues. Teams who played only to develop got trounced. And the players stagnated. Players on teams where the coaches taught and expected winning were much more successful. This is the culture change, not drafting first rounders (look at Buffalo). Development involves putting players in situations with expectations. Expectations force accountability. They'll never develop into anything without accountability - and that's what Torts is doing.

They'll never develop into anything without accountability - and that's what Torts is doing.
- BluehorseShoe64

Except there's zero accountability for Torts' golden boys. That's obvious.

Cates has had a dreadful season, and only comes out of the lineup due to injury. Deslauriers is a total liability and is on track for 82 GP. Staal is a mess, but hasn't been healthy scratched once.

Foerster is producing like Nodl did, and Nodl didn't get top line usage.
- Feanor

During the 2010-11 season, Nödl spent half the season on the top line at 5-on-5, although he only got sporadic power play time.

Foerster is producing like Nodl did, and Nodl didn't get top line usage.
- Feanor

Mika Pyorala. I think they had high hopes.

I'm curious as to why there is so much backlash against Tortorella. I do read the issues people bring up, but has anyone forgotten that this organization was in total chaos with back-to-back coaches from 2019-2021 ? Why are we assuming they would have found someone else to move things forward ? (just because we are seeing some traction now...) That traction is because of THIS coach. I coached travel baseball where it was MANDATORY to win. It is the same way in professional sports. Why would we take the players off the hook and not expect to play to win just because "we are developing" ??? I watched this for years in my son's travel leagues. Teams who played only to develop got trounced. And the players stagnated. Players on teams where the coaches taught and expected winning were much more successful. This is the culture change, not drafting first rounders (look at Buffalo). Development involves putting players in situations with expectations. Expectations force accountability. They'll never develop into anything without accountability - and that's what Torts is doing.
- BluehorseShoe64

Accountability, culture and standard are all BS buzzwords and smoke and mirrors. That's not what wins in the NHL. Talent, skill and speed with strong coaching behind it, is what wins. The used care salesman speeches have hoodwinked so many. That's what the used car salesman, Tortorella is selling. He has nothing else.
Also not sure why some think you can't try to win with young players in the lineup. As if you play the young players, you're giving up on the ice.
This is not your son's travel league. This is the NHL.

Disagree, on a rebuilding team, part of his job is or at least should be developing players for the future. That should be the priority of this team. Again, does what you claim his job to be, does it apply to all the players on the team, or just certain ones?
- MJL

Disagree, a coaches job is to win. You see it all the time in different sports. Last game of the season and the coach gets a win, costing the team the #1 pick or a top pick.
Part of the issue is Torts contract and still paying AV at the same time. Hard to get rid of tort with the amount of money still owed to him.
Saying that, it was on briere bringing in guys like staal and walker, and giving torts room to even consider sitting players.