The Pens will make Vas look like a Hall of Famer first game back We have a way of doing that Shoot high wide or into the logo WE have target shooters not snipers
- broncohorvath

Vasi is already a hall of famer.

I hadn't seen about Pysyk. Butcher is back though. I thought Smith looked good when called upon last year But Samorukov seems to actually be next up since he's the guy now.

So do I think they need Ruhwedel as 8yh D over carrying 13 forwards? Not really, but they thus far have felt differently.

I personally would take POJ over Shea though he's been fine, but you are likely right they like Shea better at the moment. I think it would be a good continuing battle among the three and an injury could happen at anytime.

I'd be open to a forward if they found the right trade. Bit clearly I don't mind keeping him either if they can't get anything worth while.
- Tojo.

I think Poj needs to be traded. We have so many left D. With pysyk done Ruhw is really the only right D depth after ludvig.

Heard a stat that Pens have won only 20 games in regulation out of the last 66. Not sure if that is actual fact, but if true its very alarming.

Sully is a good coach, but he has hit his expiration date here in Pittsburgh. But since he is a Boston guy who Fenway Sports likes, they wont be moving on from him.
The team at time appears stale; and It is frustrating to see the team time and again doing the same things over and over again expecting a different result.
I dont see changes on the power play. He never plays 87 and 71 together outside of the PP...

Vasi is already a hall of famer.
- j.boyd919

Yeah, tied for 12th all time in playoff wins for a goalie with Hasek and he's only 29. Definitely going to the HOF.

DOC also scores in the AHL. That and he's really good as first guy on the fore check. Does need to score more though.
- Tojo.

DOC never came close to 50 Pts in 44 games. Watch Harkins vs DOC AHL goal real and tell me you think DOC is a more offensively gifted player. Vinny is a better hockey player than DOC as well. Im done forcing the Drew O Connor experience.

https://youtu.be/1JIyN8Uh_RY?si=GZrxcxWrKBacUKlB

DOC would dump this puck in the corner.
Not to mention Harkins has NHL fights under his belt. What’s DOC waiting for on that front? (frank)ing dudes gotta go.

Heard a stat that Pens have won only 20 games in regulation out of the last 66. Not sure if that is actual fact, but if true its very alarming.

Sully is a good coach, but he has hit his expiration date here in Pittsburgh. But since he is a Boston guy who Fenway Sports likes, they wont be moving on from him.
The team at time appears stale; and It is frustrating to see the team time and again doing the same things over and over again expecting a different result.
I dont see changes on the power play. He never plays 87 and 71 together outside of the PP...
- Amanion

I'm beginning to think the reason we won the two Cups is Rick Tocchet, not Mike Sullivan. Since Toccet left, Sullivan hasn't won a playoff series. Tocchet has, granted it was the play in round in '20, but I don't need to remind you how Sullivan fared.

I'm beginning to think the reason we won the two Cups is Rick Tocchet, not Mike Sullivan. Since Toccet left, Sullivan hasn't won a playoff series. Tocchet has, granted it was the play in round in '20, but I don't need to remind you how Sullivan fared.
- Thunderbolt

JR is the reason for the cups. Sullivan called up Jake and Rust. That’s about the long and short of his contribution.

Pens should pick up perry. Still too soft of a team.

https://youtu.be/1JIyN8Uh_RY?si=GZrxcxWrKBacUKlB

DOC would dump this puck in the corner.
Not to mention Harkins has NHL fights under his belt. What’s DOC waiting for on that front? (frank)ing dudes gotta go.
- Grinder47

Doc seems to mesh perfectly on the 3rd line. I wish doc and Zoho weren’t so soft for big guys, but that’s where he belongs.

Doc seems to mesh perfectly on the 3rd line. I wish doc and Zoho weren’t so soft for big guys, but that’s where he belongs.
- 10inchTerror

I dont mind DOC in the bottom 6...I also liked what I saw out of Harkins last game, had a tenacity to his game I like. Z plays a pretty good game, see him getting it cycling often. He seems to get good looks/chances as well. For a guy that big I would love for him to be manhandling opposing players but his size and reach make him hard to defend at times.

DOC never came close to 50 Pts in 44 games. Watch Harkins vs DOC AHL goal real and tell me you think DOC is a more offensively gifted player. Vinny is a better hockey player than DOC as well. Im done forcing the Drew O Connor experience.
- Grinder47

50 points in 44 games is 1.14 ppg.
DOC's PPG AHL seasons were .95, .97, and 1.1 ppg

So yes, he was close to Harkin's production his entire AHL career.

JR is the reason for the cups. Sullivan called up Jake and Rust. That’s about the long and short of his contribution.
- Grinder47

lol.

I'm beginning to think the reason we won the two Cups is Rick Tocchet, not Mike Sullivan. Since Toccet left, Sullivan hasn't won a playoff series. Tocchet has, granted it was the play in round in '20, but I don't need to remind you how Sullivan fared.
- Thunderbolt

First cup was absolutely Sully. Making those adjustments in the Tampa series were crucial in getting past the Lightning. Second cup, the Pens PDO'd their way to it.

I thought you were passing the torch. Do we have to go through the Sid -> Giroux situation all over again?
- Victoro311

I never ever said anything about Sid and Giroux Claude could not iMO carry Sid's jockstrap

50 points in 44 games is 1.14 ppg.
DOC's PPG AHL seasons were .95, .97, and 1.1 ppg

So yes, he was close to Harkin's production his entire AHL career.
- j.boyd919

I guess. I think it’s just how terrible DOC is at the NHL level that makes it seem worse. Dude is just bad.

DOC never came close to 50 Pts in 44 games. Watch Harkins vs DOC AHL goal real and tell me you think DOC is a more offensively gifted player. Vinny is a better hockey player than DOC as well. Im done forcing the Drew O Connor experience.
- Grinder47

So you already saw your comment on scoring wasn't true.

I will agree DOC's lack of production is disappointing and I don't think he should be in the top six in his off wing. Harkins would be in the same spot. Hinostroza I agree would be worth a look.

But for overall play, we'll just have to disagree. While he doesn't play heavy, his size and speed have been very disruptive and helped set up his lines for success. Enough so he deserves to be somewhere. Probably 3rd line because they just click though fair he needs to pick up some more points.

First cup was absolutely Sully. Making those adjustments in the Tampa series were crucial in getting past the Lightning. Second cup, the Pens PDO'd their way to it.
- j.boyd919

Sullivan gets the credit, that's the way it is and that's fine. How have his adjustments been since?

We had his kind in the Post Office. When they have good assistants, they look good and take all the credit. As soon as they need to make the decisions, they get exposed. Sullivan's decision making hasn't been good since Tocchet left. Tocchet has some talent to work with this season, not nearly as much as what Sullivan has. Look what he's doing.

Pittsburgh has three head coaches who have the bull poop part down. The winning part not so much.

Sullivan gets the credit, that's the way it is and that's fine. How have his adjustments been since?

We had his kind in the Post Office. When they have good assistants, they look good and take all the credit. As soon as they need to make the decisions, they get exposed. Sullivan's decision making hasn't been good since Tocchet left. Tocchet has some talent to work with this season, not nearly as much as what Sullivan has. Look what he's doing.

Pittsburgh has three head coaches who have the bull poop part down. The winning part not so much.
- Thunderbolt

In all honesty, I haven't noticed any adjustments or creativity in quite some time until Jesse Marshall pointed out the adjustment to the neutral zone structure this season. At least he is making adjustments this year, which I don't believe has been the case the last few years. I do wish he would juggle his line combos a little bit more(ie: Geno and Sid out at the same time), which is weird because he's done Letang and Karlsson out at the same time... why not Sid and Geno? It's odd.

But it is good to see him changing the system a bit this year. His biggest adjustment now should be the PP. I have no clue what he is seeing in regards to that, that's keeping him run the same breakout and in-zone play over and over again.

In all honesty, I haven't noticed any adjustments or creativity in quite some time until Jesse Marshall pointed out the adjustment to the neutral zone structure this season. At least he is making adjustments this year, which I don't believe has been the case the last few years. I do wish he would juggle his line combos a little bit more(ie: Geno and Sid out at the same time), which is weird because he's done Letang and Karlsson out at the same time... why not Sid and Geno? It's odd.

But it is good to see him changing the system a bit this year. His biggest adjustment now should be the PP. I have no clue what he is seeing in regards to that, that's keeping him run the same breakout and in-zone play over and over again.
- j.boyd919

I’ve seen Sid and Geno out together here and there kind like tanger and ek. I’ve noticed graves and petts sometimes on defensive zone draws when up by a goal. He has started to make some minor tweaks. Baby steps.

I’ve seen Sid and Geno out together here and there kind like tanger and ek. I’ve noticed graves and petts sometimes on defensive zone draws when up by a goal. He has started to make some minor tweaks. Baby steps.
- 10inchTerror

At 5v5:
7:40 of time together.. lol so like 8 shifts in 20 games. That is brutal. For contrast, Letang and Karlsson have 33 minutes of TOI

At 5v5:
7:40 of time together.. lol so like 8 shifts in 20 games. That is brutal. For contrast, Letang and Karlsson have 33 minutes of TOI
- j.boyd919

Fair enough. I probably noticed every single time it happened then lol

So you already saw your comment on scoring wasn't true.

I will agree DOC's lack of production is disappointing and I don't think he should be in the top six in his off wing. Harkins would be in the same spot. Hinostroza I agree would be worth a look.

But for overall play, we'll just have to disagree. While he doesn't play heavy, his size and speed have been very disruptive and helped set up his lines for success. Enough so he deserves to be somewhere. Probably 3rd line because they just click though fair he needs to pick up some more points.
- Tojo.

Yeah. He’s boring and he sucks. Can’t even break ppg in the AHL. Wont fight, doesn’t hit and looks like he still attends church camp in the summer. Dudes a complete bum.

Yeah. He’s boring and he sucks. Can’t even break ppg in the AHL. Wont fight, doesn’t hit and looks like he still attends church camp in the summer. Dudes a complete bum.
- Grinder47

Lol, you literally just responded to Boyd's post that said he was over a point per game last year in the AHL. AHL career is exactly a point a game.

In all honesty, I haven't noticed any adjustments or creativity in quite some time until Jesse Marshall pointed out the adjustment to the neutral zone structure this season. At least he is making adjustments this year, which I don't believe has been the case the last few years. I do wish he would juggle his line combos a little bit more(ie: Geno and Sid out at the same time), which is weird because he's done Letang and Karlsson out at the same time... why not Sid and Geno? It's odd.

But it is good to see him changing the system a bit this year. His biggest adjustment now should be the PP. I have no clue what he is seeing in regards to that, that's keeping him run the same breakout and in-zone play over and over again.
- j.boyd919

Yohe said in the MM show that the new zone entry is the dump in via today in practice. I guess the drop pass that works for every other team ever just doesn’t work with this many gifted guys on the ice.