And the way Little Nappi handled it maximized their value, one second round draft choice between them. this wasn't a Zadorov situation where he said he wanted out. Calgary got more for Zadorov than Little Nappi's handling of 19 and 88
- LAHawk

Thankfully, he got something before Kane walked and they got nothing. Perhaps neither (19 & 88) wanted to be moved or tried to wait as long as possible before waving their NTC. Maybe, Kane's health and hip were a factor. None of us will know the truth because (I assume) we weren't part of the discussions behind the scenes. If a 1st round was his value to a team, somebody would have paid it, but they didn't. The Hawks were also very limited on teams they could send him to.

I’m not at all shocked at Bedard’s points. He has the talent and is being given every opportunity to produce points. Good for him.

I’ve got no issue with playing the kids, but there are/were plenty of younger guys that you could trade for or throw money at (especially with all of the draft and cap assets available) that - I believe - would have been better options than three guys well over 30. VAN needed to make room all offseason. Garland was apparently available. Why not pick him up (3 years left at just under $5M as a 27 year old). Then you can build a little continuity and not try to find two more 35 year olds next year. Just an example, but I don’t personally like the idea of kind of treading water for a couple years (or as a friend of mine says “maintaining dog poop”).
- Chunk

you aren't treading water chunk. No one is suggesting you birng in another experienced defenseman, heck I want to see them launch Zaitsev and keep Phillips up all year, play the 4 rookies.

But everyone can see the Hawks have zero forward depth, and the draft choices are not coming for probably another 2 years. Like you said getting a Garland, or some other youngish middle 6 forward for 2-3 years, instead of having to find $30 mil. worth of forward again next year, to bridge and try and find some continuity.

you aren't treading water chunk. No one is suggesting you birng in another experienced defenseman, heck I want to see them launch Zaitsev and keep Phillips up all year, play the 4 rookies.

But everyone can see the Hawks have zero forward depth, and the draft choices are not coming for probably another 2 years. Like you said getting a Garland, or some other youngish middle 6 forward for 2-3 years, instead of having to find $30 mil. worth of forward again next year, to bridge and try and find some continuity.
- LAHawk

Love this idea. They aren't competing this year anyways, so play as many young players as possible- especially on their blueline.

Eh, apples and oranges I think. Kane had a blown up hip and would only go to NYR. Toews was done two seasons ago. You aren’t going to get much under those conditions.
- Chunk

Well if Little Nappi was honest with either that he didn't want them around after last season, he could of gotten more during the offseason, instead of the funeral march taking place last year.

Where did you hear that from besides Dots?
- LAHawk

Do I need another source?

Do I need another source?
- paulr

Do I need another source?
- paulr

I would of signed him to the same amount. Just saying in that situation.

Interesting quotes from a Kane interview yesterday:

"There's always a piece in the back of your mind that maybe (going back) could potentially happen," Kane told reporters. "You never know. I love the city, loved my time there with the organization.

The other interesting tidbit that came out of Kane's interview is that he was half-expecting the Hawks to reach out to him or Jonathan Toews after they won the draft lottery.

But KFC doesn't think they were good for the kids growth. But KFC doesn't even want Toews (who is not playing) to be around in any capacity while he takes the year off (think he could mentor Bedard and Reichel about playing center without being in the dressing room, like in practice).

Need solid vets like Corey Perry to mentor. No wonder KFC had such a pained look on his face, that move blew up on him after 20 games.

i think I have a new nickname I am going to use instead of KFC, like Little Napoleon, or better yet Little Nappi.
- LAHawk

I think that would be applicable if he was coming off as arrogant or a pecker but he's been pretty straightforward, humble and seems to have a sense of humor.

Kind of a breath of fresh air. Can't fault him for trying. Foligno was an exceptional pick up. Hall was fine until he wasn't. The Perry situation is tough especially with the amount of guys who vouch for him.

I think he should have had more of a contingency plan for these guys going down with injury. One more solid producer would have been beneficial. I would have preferred they got a top end player (and think they should get that player now - someone is available for the right price) to fit in with Bedard or at least carry another line but what are you gonna do.

With the end of the year the German had last year I think they thought he would take a step forward. He's been not great. Same with Raddysh - the guy scored 20 last year and has been not very good this year. Clearly they expected more from Donato. At least one of those guys should have stepped up a bit and theyre all just looking like journeymen at this point. Kinda looks like they messed up Reichel putting him at center to start.

The difference between guys like Lang or Perrault and Toews and Kane and is they were outsiders brought in to help carry some of the load and more difficult shifts and Havlat was a star in his prime. There weren't any established beloved Chicago staples on the team just a bunch of dudes so it seemed like they were trying to replicate that more and provide an environment where people could grow into leadership roles rather than automatically defer.

I would of signed him to the same amount. Just saying in that situation.
- BetweenTheDots

If you were an NHL GM trying to build a team and manage a salary cap you wouldn’t have.

I think that would be applicable if he was coming off as arrogant or a pecker but he's been pretty straightforward, humble and seems to have a sense of humor.

Kind of a breath of fresh air. Can't fault him for trying. Foligno was an exceptional pick up. Hall was fine until he wasn't. The Perry situation is tough especially with the amount of guys who vouch for him.

I think he should have had more of a contingency plan for these guys going down with injury. One more solid producer would have been beneficial. I would have preferred they got a top end player (and think they should get that player now - someone is available for the right price) to fit in with Bedard or at least carry another line but what are you gonna do.

With the end of the year the German had last year I think they thought he would take a step forward. He's been not great. Same with Raddysh - the guy scored 20 last year and has been not very good this year. Clearly they expected more from Donato. At least one of those guys should have stepped up a bit and theyre all just looking like journeymen at this point. Kinda looks like they messed up Reichel putting him at center to start.

The difference between guys like Lang or Perrault and Toews and Kane and is they were outsiders brought in to help carry some of the load and more difficult shifts and Havlat was a star in his prime. There weren't any established beloved Chicago staples on the team just a bunch of dudes so it seemed like they were trying to replicate that more and provide an environment where people could grow into leadership roles rather than automatically defer.
- fattybeef

Did Perry do his drinking so no one on the Hawks knew, or did Mgmt. hope they could go through the whole year without a car crash.

Or do you believe this was an isolated instance and Perry is going through rehab hoping he could still sign and play hockey.

Seems kinda weird to me, if Perry would of immediately gone into the drug and alchohol program, Hawks couldn't terminate his contract. Or are both trying to avoid an embarassing law suit by the Blackhawks employee?

So getting a generational talent doesn't move the needle at all? Get no one, zero, nil, that could play with him ? Or did he really think Hall would be able to play 60 games this year with his recent injury history.
- LAHawk

Landeskog was there already but thats pretty much what Colorado did for MacKinnon. They got Iginla to be that veteran and help produce some ancillary points.

They bottomed out 3 years and got Rantanen and Makar in the process who are arguably their two best players now.

Then they started to add guys who were still in their prime like Toews and got lucky that Kadri figured it out for a year. Sakic had to be pretty ruthless and lets some guys walk at the end of the day to make it work as well.

Nazar III probably with the club next year and helps somewhat but clearly there is a jump from any league (good thing Reichel spent last year in the AHL...) and the adjustment period to being a consistent player is gonna take sometime.

It's certainly a team on the upswing looking at the blue line alone. Celebrini helps them a lot next year but maybe need to wait a year on Eiserman.

My guess is they sit on their hands unless someone is giving players away - and they wait to see where they land in the draft. If theyre top two I'd expect no major moves and if theyre outside of that then maybe they try to get someone big.

I don't agree with that since the goaltending is bad enough theyre going to finish bottom 3 no matter who they add but wtf do I know lol.

Hahaha, hahaha

Well we do have a generational talent to build around, instead of a bunch of broken down players past their prime.

Vlasic looks like a serious piece to the puzzle.

Spent it on what, hmmm let's look at the Devils they spent it on Meier and couldn't afford to keep a couple of their dmen and are struggling in the playoff hunt.

How about the Islanders trade for Horvat and they are in the same boat.

Habs, Ottawa, CBJ fleeced us in the Seth Jones trade, signed Warenski, Gaudreau and Laine what did that get them?
- BetweenTheDots

To be fair to C-bus the coaching fiasco really messed things up.

I thought and still think Kane and Toews should have been brought in. I can’t think of any reason why they weren’t? And in no universe does Perry’s leadership come close to Toews’ or even Kane’s, even before this episode. Maybe KD thought he was smarter than he was? I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, after all as far as I know Perry hasn’t pulled a stunt like this before, but I’ll also be watching to see if he’s learned. As I’ve said a number of times I knew the Hawks would suck this season, I’m waiting to see what KD does between now and the end of the summer before I lose too much sleep over it.
- paulr

Because with them in the locker room it would be impossible for any of the new players to grow into bigger leadership roles until they were gone.

There is too much legacy there.

I don’t want losing to be part of the process. When Davidson told everyone that the rebuild would take a few years and that he wasn’t going to make big moves right away I agreed with his plan. But I figured the team would be a cup contender while the rebuild was happening.
- paulr

That's really well done, Chief.

I agree with this post 100% Chunk. Foligno is on the same pace in points as he had with the Bruins, averaging 5 more minutes a game, and playing a majority of the time with Bedard. Can't expect much more from him on the ice. What was little Nappi expecting ?
- LAHawk

Foligno has been excellent this year. Plays hard, is articulate and intelligent in interviews which is a rarity in the NHL.

That guy has been a tremendous pick up and is a great mentor for the younger players.

He's never been a high end producer even in his prime.

Oh i don't know I'm shocked Bedard has as many points as he does right now.

Vlasic looks like our best defenseman right now.

Korchinski has his ups and downs but he looks better than defenseman on other teams already hell even our team.

Reichel concern to me is his stick handling/ passing this is holding him back, not opponents, himself

And the 2 3rd line dmen are learning some tough lessons, as I've said before sometimes they look really good and sometimes they don't.
- BetweenTheDots

Vlasic has been exceptional. And you can see the potential with K2 though the consistency is far from there (which is expected).

All that AHL time sure helped ze German.

i agree, i joke 7 X $7 a few blogs ago, but a 8 X $5 i think would be a great deal on both sides
- LAHawk

Vlasic would never sign 8x$5 that's a terrible deal with inflation. Dach got over $4M.

Landeskog was there already but thats pretty much what Colorado did for MacKinnon. They got Iginla to be that veteran and help produce some ancillary points.

They bottomed out 3 years and got Rantanen and Makar in the process who are arguably their two best players now.

Then they started to add guys who were still in their prime like Toews and got lucky that Kadri figured it out for a year. Sakic had to be pretty ruthless and lets some guys walk at the end of the day to make it work as well.

Nazar III probably with the club next year and helps somewhat but clearly there is a jump from any league (good thing Reichel spent last year in the AHL...) and the adjustment period to being a consistent player is gonna take sometime.

It's certainly a team on the upswing looking at the blue line alone. Celebrini helps them a lot next year but maybe need to wait a year on Eiserman.

My guess is they sit on their hands unless someone is giving players away - and they wait to see where they land in the draft. If theyre top two I'd expect no major moves and if theyre outside of that then maybe they try to get someone big.

I don't agree with that since the goaltending is bad enough theyre going to finish bottom 3 no matter who they add but wtf do I know lol.
- fattybeef

Your posta are always well thought out and IMO you know alot. Be interesting on Mrazek, if he stays healthy all year. I don't think the Hawks move him at the TDL, and could very well sign him for a couple more years until they believe Commesso is ready.

Funny about goaltending, Montreal just signed Montainblat to a 3 X $3.45 contract. Seems kinda rich for a goalie who is not considered a starter. Seems a lot of teams that are in the cup run (Vegas, Kings, Leafs, Carolina have goalie issues. Doesn't seem to be as many dominatnt goailies that play 65 games a year anymore.

And the way Little Nappi handled it maximized their value, one second round draft choice between them. this wasn't a Zadorov situation where he said he wanted out. Calgary got more for Zadorov than Little Nappi's handling of 19 and 88
- LAHawk

Kane was also playing on one leg, looked like it and said NYR or nothing. Vancouver is desperate to add blue line help since they think they can make a run this year.

Completely different situations.

Thankfully, he got something before Kane walked and they got nothing. Perhaps neither (19 & 88) wanted to be moved or tried to wait as long as possible before waving their NTC. Maybe, Kane's health and hip were a factor. None of us will know the truth because (I assume) we weren't part of the discussions behind the scenes. If a 1st round was his value to a team, somebody would have paid it, but they didn't. The Hawks were also very limited on teams they could send him to.
- frafra

They got three cups, 2 conference finals, 9 total playoff appearances and a lot of entertaining hockey for 16 years.

Getting anything at the end of that via trade or whatever is irrelevant.

Because with them in the locker room it would be impossible for any of the new players to grow into bigger leadership roles until they were gone.

There is too much legacy there.
- fattybeef

What young player is taking a leadership role this year? Looks like Foligno, Perry, Murphy do all the talking. Well now Tyler Johnson:


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They got three cups, 2 conference finals, 9 total playoff appearances and a lot of entertaining hockey for 16 years.

Getting anything at the end of that via trade or whatever is irrelevant.
- fattybeef

Yes to all of this

They got three cups, 2 conference finals, 9 total playoff appearances and a lot of entertaining hockey for 16 years.

Getting anything at the end of that via trade or whatever is irrelevant.
- fattybeef

That they did, and for that the new GM says we don't need you or want you around. You are toxic. Better that Foligno, Murphy, and Perry do all the leading.

you aren't treading water chunk. No one is suggesting you birng in another experienced defenseman, heck I want to see them launch Zaitsev and keep Phillips up all year, play the 4 rookies.

But everyone can see the Hawks have zero forward depth, and the draft choices are not coming for probably another 2 years. Like you said getting a Garland, or some other youngish middle 6 forward for 2-3 years, instead of having to find $30 mil. worth of forward again next year, to bridge and try and find some continuity.
- LAHawk

Nazar III, Greene, Slaggart probably on the club or in Rockford next year.

Hayes, Ludwinski and Misiak should be competing for a club spot.

Dach maybe worth a look at some point here in the near future with how he's scoring right now.

They should have 3 of those guys above on the big club next year.

Did Perry do his drinking so no one on the Hawks knew, or did Mgmt. hope they could go through the whole year without a car crash.

Or do you believe this was an isolated instance and Perry is going through rehab hoping he could still sign and play hockey.

Seems kinda weird to me, if Perry would of immediately gone into the drug and alchohol program, Hawks couldn't terminate his contract. Or are both trying to avoid an embarassing law suit by the Blackhawks employee?
- LAHawk

I don't think Richardson would have vouched for a guy that he knew was an alcoholic.

Most alcoholics are very good at hiding their problem until it becomes a problem.